RICE KICKED EVERYONE'S ASS!!!!!

tannerg DeleteThis @Hawaii.Edu (Glenn A Tanner) wrote in message news:<bd8dp2$dok$1@news.hawaii.edu>...
> In article <Xns93A3D9C2FE799usenetspitzensparken DeleteThis @151.164.30.48>,
> Jonathan Jones <usenet DeleteThis @spitzensparken.com> wrote:
> >Congrats, Rice. I couldn't be prouder. Guess I'll have to find another
> >underdog team to root for now.

With one of the smallest enrollments and some of the highest
academic standards for athletes in Division I, the Owls always will be
an underdog.

> >I guess the most obvious lesson we can learn from this is that coaching
> >matters. A lot.
> >
> >I hope Graham sticks around. He's getting up there in age, and he's climbed
> >the Mt. Everest of his career. He's certainly built a solid program at Rice,
> >and there's every reason to expect Rice to contend for the repeat next year.
>
> He's into major rebuilding programs, so the rumors are already flying that
> he's leaving Rice to take over the SMU job, replacing the recently-fired,
> Leonard L. Leonard.

Not a chance. Graham was turned down for the TCU job in favor
of former Rice pitching coach Lance Brown, and there's no way SMU
would lower itself to hire a Horned Frog reject.

> (Congrats Hooters!)

Your incessant anti-weaufxing worked. Rice couldn't come
anywhere near to hanging 50 in the final game, even with Stanford's
help....

Jonathan Sadow
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The William Marsh Rice University
The Eternal Southwest Conference Champion
The 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 Western Athletic
Conference Baseball Champion
The 2001, 2002 and 2003 Houston Regional Champion
The 2002 and 2003 Houston Superregional Champion
The 2003 NCAA Division I College World Series Champion
The academic flagship of the Western Athletic Conference
The highest student-athlete graduation rate in NCAA Division I-A
The highest-ranked U.S. News & World Report Tier 1 school in Texas
The future home of the George W. Bush Presidential Library

"The 67-year-old [Wayne] Graham has crafted the best college sports
program in the state of Texas at a university where athletics are
supposed to be totally subservient to the Ivy League-caliber
academics." - Dale Robertson, Houston Chronicle, March 20, 2003
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Glenn A Tanner <tannerg DeleteThis @hawaii.edu> wrote:
: In article <Xns93A3D9C2FE799usenetspitzensparken DeleteThis @151.164.30.48>,
: Jonathan Jones <usenet DeleteThis @spitzensparken.com> wrote:
:>Congrats, Rice. I couldn't be prouder. Guess I'll have to find another
:>underdog team to root for now.
:>
:>I guess the most obvious lesson we can learn from this is that coaching
:>matters. A lot.
:>
:>I hope Graham sticks around. He's getting up there in age, and he's climbed
:>the Mt. Everest of his career. He's certainly built a solid program at Rice,
:>and there's every reason to expect Rice to contend for the repeat next year.
:
: He's into major rebuilding programs, so the rumors are already flying that
: he's leaving Rice to take over the SMU job, replacing the recently-fired,
: Leonard L. Leonard.

I miss the Fort Worth Strangers.

cb
(shocked that you remember)
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On 24 Jun 2003 00:51:21 -0700, jonsadow.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Jonathan
Sadow) wrote:

>tannerg@Hawaii.Edu (Glenn A Tanner) wrote in message news:<bd8dp2$dok$1@news.hawaii.edu>...
>> In article <Xns93A3D9C2FE799usenetspitzensparken.TakeThisOut@151.164.30.48>,
>> Jonathan Jones <usenet.TakeThisOut@spitzensparken.com> wrote:
>> >Congrats, Rice. I couldn't be prouder. Guess I'll have to find another
>> >underdog team to root for now.
>
> With one of the smallest enrollments and some of the highest
>academic standards for athletes in Division I, the Owls always will be
>an underdog.

ESPN's graphic said Stanford's enrollment was about 14,000.
That includes graduate students. Undergraduates? About
3,000 - 4,000.
The graphic ESPN used to show total enrollment included
Stanford graduate students. According to the Stanford web
site the breakdown looks like this:

7,536 matriculated graduate
6,731 matriculated undergraduate

14,267 total

Stanford is still bigger than Rice, but not 6 times as
large. - Tony
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On 24 Jun 2003 00:51:21 -0700, jonsadow RemoveThis @yahoo.com (Jonathan
Sadow) wrote:

>tannerg@Hawaii.Edu (Glenn A Tanner) wrote in message news:<bd8dp2$dok$1@news.hawaii.edu>...
>> In article <Xns93A3D9C2FE799usenetspitzensparken RemoveThis @151.164.30.48>,
>> Jonathan Jones <usenet RemoveThis @spitzensparken.com> wrote:
>> >Congrats, Rice. I couldn't be prouder. Guess I'll have to find another
>> >underdog team to root for now.
>
> With one of the smallest enrollments and some of the highest
>academic standards for athletes in Division I, the Owls always will be
>an underdog.

The graphic ESPN used to show total enrollment included
Stanford graduate students. According to the Stanford web
site the breakdown looks like this:

7,536 matriculated graduate
6,731 matriculated undergraduate

14,267 total

Stanford is still bigger than Rice, but not 6 times as
large. Academic standards? Why bother debating? Both are
very good academic schools. - Tony
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Tony Lima <TonyLima2.DeleteThis@att.net> wrote in message news:<6h8hfv4r901t7h6n1o3catsop1npdulufk.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...
> On 24 Jun 2003 00:51:21 -0700, jonsadow.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Jonathan
> Sadow) wrote:
> > With one of the smallest enrollments and some of the highest
> >academic standards for athletes in Division I, the Owls always will be
> >an underdog.
>
> The graphic ESPN used to show total enrollment included
> Stanford graduate students. According to the Stanford web
> site the breakdown looks like this:
>
> 7,536 matriculated graduate
> 6,731 matriculated undergraduate
>
> 14,267 total
>
> Stanford is still bigger than Rice, but not 6 times as
> large. Academic standards? Why bother debating? Both are
> very good academic schools. - Tony

DejaGoogle isn't letting me see exactly what you're referring
to, but Rice's undegraduate+graduate enrollment is a shade over 4,000,
making Stanford enrollment almost four times larger. Rice also goes
up against schools such as crosstown rival Houston with almost 30,000
students and nearby behemoths like Texas-Austin and Texas A&M at
nearly 50,000 each.

One other area in which Stanford has a huge advantage is
athletic department revenues:

Stanford (BCS): about $57 million in 2001-2002
Rice (non-BCS): about $18 million in 2001-2002

Even then, Rice's figure is high; some of what is counted as
"revenue" likely came out of the university's general fund (the
baseball program itself is around break-even). I can amend my
statement above as follows: With one of the smallest enrollments,
smallest revenue streams, and some of the highest academic standards
for athletes in Division I, the Owls always will be an underdog.

Jonathan Sadow
jonsadow.DeleteThis@yahoo.com

The William Marsh Rice University
The Eternal Southwest Conference Champion
The 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 Western Athletic
Conference Baseball Champion
The 2001, 2002 and 2003 Houston Regional Champion
The 2002 and 2003 Houston Superregional Champion
The 2003 NCAA Division I College World Series Champion
The academic flagship of the Western Athletic Conference
The highest student-athlete graduation rate in NCAA Division I-A
The highest-ranked U.S. News & World Report Tier 1 school in Texas
The future home of the George W. Bush Presidential Library

"The 67-year-old [Wayne] Graham has crafted the best college sports
program in the state of Texas at a university where athletics are
supposed to be totally subservient to the Ivy League-caliber
academics." - Dale Robertson, Houston Chronicle, March 20, 2003
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On 25 Jun 2003 16:59:45 -0700, jonsadow RemoveThis @yahoo.com (Jonathan
Sadow) wrote:

>Tony Lima <TonyLima2 RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message news:<6h8hfv4r901t7h6n1o3catsop1npdulufk RemoveThis @4ax.com>...
>> On 24 Jun 2003 00:51:21 -0700, jonsadow RemoveThis @yahoo.com (Jonathan
>> Sadow) wrote:
>> > With one of the smallest enrollments and some of the highest
>> >academic standards for athletes in Division I, the Owls always will be
>> >an underdog.
>>
>> The graphic ESPN used to show total enrollment included
>> Stanford graduate students. According to the Stanford web
>> site the breakdown looks like this:
>>
>> 7,536 matriculated graduate
>> 6,731 matriculated undergraduate
>>
>> 14,267 total
>>
>> Stanford is still bigger than Rice, but not 6 times as
>> large. Academic standards? Why bother debating? Both are
>> very good academic schools. - Tony
>
> DejaGoogle isn't letting me see exactly what you're referring
>to, but Rice's undegraduate+graduate enrollment is a shade over 4,000,
>making Stanford enrollment almost four times larger. Rice also goes
>up against schools such as crosstown rival Houston with almost 30,000
>students and nearby behemoths like Texas-Austin and Texas A&M at
>nearly 50,000 each.

Excuse me? How many graduate students are on Rice's
baseball team? The correct point of comparison is the size
of the undergraduate enrollments.

> One other area in which Stanford has a huge advantage is
>athletic department revenues:
>
>Stanford (BCS): about $57 million in 2001-2002
>Rice (non-BCS): about $18 million in 2001-2002
>
>Even then, Rice's figure is high; some of what is counted as
>"revenue" likely came out of the university's general fund (the
>baseball program itself is around break-even). I can amend my
>statement above as follows: With one of the smallest enrollments,
>smallest revenue streams, and some of the highest academic standards
>for athletes in Division I, the Owls always will be an underdog.

So what's your point? That Rice's alumni aren't willing to
support the athletic program to the extent that Stanford's
are? That Rice students don't attend athletic events in the
numbers Stanford fields? I can't imagine what athletic
department revenue has to do with it. After all, Stanford
fields division I teams in more sports than I can count. Do
a web search on "Sears Cup" or whatever they're calling it
these days and take a look at the list of winner (not a
typo). - Tony
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