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scosio

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:09 am
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Any guesses what it would cost to enclose Ameriquest Field?

Playing indoors with 72-degree temps, maybe our players wouldn't bottom
out after the All-Star break.

scosio

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:21 pm
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"scosio" <scosio RemoveThis @ibuytime.com> wrote in news:1157126980.080483.323050
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> Any guesses what it would cost to enclose Ameriquest Field?

Tens of millions, and Hicks would never pay for it. He would go to
Arlington, who now have their hands full with Jerry-world.

> Playing indoors with 72-degree temps, maybe our players wouldn't bottom
> out after the All-Star break.

Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I hate indoor stadiums with a passion and
would not attend the games. I saw the Astros play in the dome a few years
ago, as well as the Cowboys in Texas Dump-heap last year. Both have all
the atmosphere of a tupperware bowl.

-Jeff

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:01 pm
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"Jeff Edwards" <paranoianospam RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "scosio" <scosio RemoveThis @ibuytime.com> wrote in news:1157126980.080483.323050
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> Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I hate indoor stadiums with a passion and
> would not attend the games. I saw the Astros play in the dome a few years
> ago, as well as the Cowboys in Texas Dump-heap last year. Both have all
> the atmosphere of a tupperware bowl.
>
> -Jeff

Maybe you wouldnt... but the facts are that even if the Rangers are in a
race.. most people dont feel like going to sit in a heated bowl from june to
september... The pitchers hate it as well. Some places were simply meant to
have roofs.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:33 pm
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>
> Maybe you wouldnt... but the facts are that even if the Rangers are in a
> race.. most people dont feel like going to sit in a heated bowl from june
> to september... The pitchers hate it as well. Some places were simply
> meant to have roofs.

So the heat is why Atlanta and St. Louis have never been able to develop a
pitching staff--oh, they have put together a lot of great pitching staffs
over the years. And yes, it is every bit as hot in those cities. Baseball
belongs outside. No thanks to offering a roof to the Ballpark.

-Doc
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:10 pm
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"Doc Elder" <aelder DeleteThis @gowebway.net> wrote in message
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> So the heat is why Atlanta and St. Louis have never been able to develop a
> pitching staff--oh, they have put together a lot of great pitching staffs
> over the years. And yes, it is every bit as hot in those cities.
> Baseball belongs outside. No thanks to offering a roof to the Ballpark.
>
> -Doc

It is hardly as hot in St Louis or Atlanta as it is here. Having spent time
in both of those areas during the Summer... I can tell you that. The average
Temp in July in St Louis is 80.5 F In Texas the July average is 85...F

Add to that the humidity and gulf air that Texas usually experiences first..
and the lack of rain in July and August (cloud cover) that Dallas sees.
Also... St Louis is much more open air as far as stadiums go.

Yes baseball was meant to be played outside.. but major league baseball is a
business.. and if more people are going to visit your club during those
months and youre going to attract better pitching, then its a wise thing to
do. Don't worry though. At this rate... the Rangers will finish out their
contract in Arlington and then move. No fans go to the games anymore.. even
when they are sporting a chance to win the west.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:45 am
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> It is hardly as hot in St Louis or Atlanta as it is here. Having spent
> time in both of those areas during the Summer... I can tell you that. The
> average Temp in July in St Louis is 80.5 F In Texas the July average is
> 85...F
>
> Add to that the humidity and gulf air that Texas usually experiences
> first.. and the lack of rain in July and August (cloud cover) that Dallas
> sees. Also... St Louis is much more open air as far as stadiums go.
>
> Yes baseball was meant to be played outside.. but major league baseball is
> a business.. and if more people are going to visit your club during those
> months and youre going to attract better pitching, then its a wise thing
> to do. Don't worry though. At this rate... the Rangers will finish out
> their contract in Arlington and then move. No fans go to the games
> anymore.. even when they are sporting a chance to win the west.
>

4.5 degrees average temperature is hardly significant in that range and,
just based on my personal experience, the humidity is well higher in both
cities. I'll throw another city with a significant baseball heritage into
the discussion where I have actually lived. Baltimore. I was stationed on
the outskirts of Bawlmer during the 90's and took all my annual leave in one
big chunk to come back to the Metroplex and get away from that oppressive
atmosphere and even the solar-oven that was old Arlington Stadium was pretty
much on a par with the cozy grounds of Camden Yards when it came to comfort
sitting in the cheaps.

This year's weather has been abysmal, but it hasn't been normal. Notice the
way the weather-folks keep bringing up ten-worst lists. Funny enough, this
year's weather pattern would be a better argument for bringing in pitchers,
because the unusual weather pattern has made the park much less of a
launching pad than it has been historically. The "ever-present" jet-stream
has been frequently conspicuously absent this year. But, if I was a
pitcher's agent, I wouldn't bet on this year's weather pattern lasting too
terribly long.

As far as the Rangers picking up and moving at the end of the stadium
agreement. This is one of the top four markets in terms of population in
the country. Tom Hicks may choose to sell the club, but where would they go
that would generate comparable attendance and television numbers without a
team that was just knocking all opposition around? And if they had a team
like that, or even promising being close to that, then the numbers here
would be too juicy to walk away.

The Rangers, even if the PR department doesn't want to admit it, are still
in the middle of re-building the club. They've made some progress. They've
played some games that made me want to throw some things and yank at my
hair. Mostly, I've enjoyed watching or listening to the games. They've
played hard and mostly played well. This is the youngest roster in the
Majors and they will make mistakes. Mostly they have been made trying hard.
I get jazzed by the effort, even if results aren't always what I was looking
for...

They aren't where I want them to be, but for the first time in thirty odd
years of following this club, Jon Daniels is finally showing signs that the
club is willing to follow a development philosophy long enough to give it a
chance. That's a breath of fresh air. Too many times, "win now"
desperation has lead this franchise to throw away prospects who later proved
massive talent to put name players with fading careers on the line-up card.
This is a club with a strong young core. They play games that are fun to
watch right now. With the right bit of tweaking, they'll play a lot more
games that are fun to watch and aren't that far from potentially turning
into a power.

It's tough business to get on a good roll in baseball, but the fans will
flock to them if they get on that roll. A more normal summer and a team
that's more convincing early on and the attendance numbers will come back.
The Rangers will be okay if they don't go into panic mode. Which, I have to
admit they have in the past. I can remember a Norm Hitzges piece in the
early 80's when he decided to announce the former-Rangers part of the
All-Star rosters. As I recall, it included something like ten field players
and three or four pitchers. Grrrr...baseball is a tough business and the
only thing easy about it is making mistakes.

Air conditioning is never gonna' be a great draw. You can get that watching
the game at home on television and the beer and the food will be a hell of a
lot cheaper, not to mention the lack of lines at the bathroom and the lack
of fighting traffic. The only thing that will fill the stands is a team in
a streak of playing games that generate a sense of "I want to be there when
it happens".

And in the unlikely event that the Rangers should leave the Metroplex, have
you caught any of the Roughriders's games that got on Channell 52? It's
good baseball, even if it's only AA; it's in a beautiful park and the crowd
is having so much fun that I just gotta' get there next season. That's
serious quality-family entertainment. And they have some players who may
never make it to the show, but they bust their asses on every crack of the
bat and when they are good, they are a wonder to behold.

-Doc
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:55 am
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"Doc Elder" <aelder.DeleteThis@gowebway.net> wrote in message
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> 4.5 degrees average temperature is hardly significant in that range and,
> just based on my personal experience, the humidity is well higher in both
> cities. I'll throw another city with a significant baseball heritage into
> the discussion where I have actually lived. Baltimore. I was stationed on
> the outskirts of Bawlmer during the 90's and took all my annual leave in
> one big chunk to come back to the Metroplex and get away from that
> oppressive atmosphere and even the solar-oven that was old Arlington
> Stadium was pretty much on a par with the cozy grounds of Camden Yards
> when it came to comfort sitting in the cheaps.

But the complaints always seem to come in Texas. Joe Torre was a recent
example saying "why didn't they dome this thing when they were building it".
Heck a retractable roof would be nice at this point.. They could keep it
covered when the suns blazing down on all day, and then open it at night...



> As far as the Rangers picking up and moving at the end of the stadium
> agreement. This is one of the top four markets in terms of population in
> the country. Tom Hicks may choose to sell the club, but where would they
> go that would generate comparable attendance and television numbers
> without a team that was just knocking all opposition around? And if they
> had a team like that, or even promising being close to that, then the
> numbers here would be too juicy to walk away.

I guess it depends how well baseball is doing in 25 years when their
contract is up (I think its 25 years)...
Ofcourse alot can happen in 25 years. Maybe the Rangers will even win
something.


>
> The Rangers, even if the PR department doesn't want to admit it, are still
> in the middle of re-building the club. They've made some progress.
> They've played some games that made me want to throw some things and yank
> at my hair. Mostly, I've enjoyed watching or listening to the games.
> They've played hard and mostly played well. This is the youngest roster
> in the Majors and they will make mistakes. Mostly they have been made
> trying hard. I get jazzed by the effort, even if results aren't always
> what I was looking for...
>
> They aren't where I want them to be, but for the first time in thirty odd
> years of following this club, Jon Daniels is finally showing signs that
> the club is willing to follow a development philosophy long enough to give
> it a chance. That's a breath of fresh air. Too many times, "win now"
> desperation has lead this franchise to throw away prospects who later
> proved massive talent to put name players with fading careers on the
> line-up card. This is a club with a strong young core. They play games
> that are fun to watch right now. With the right bit of tweaking, they'll
> play a lot more games that are fun to watch and aren't that far from
> potentially turning into a power.
>
> It's tough business to get on a good roll in baseball, but the fans will
> flock to them if they get on that roll. A more normal summer and a team
> that's more convincing early on and the attendance numbers will come back.
> The Rangers will be okay if they don't go into panic mode. Which, I have
> to admit they have in the past. I can remember a Norm Hitzges piece in
> the early 80's when he decided to announce the former-Rangers part of the
> All-Star rosters. As I recall, it included something like ten field
> players and three or four pitchers. Grrrr...baseball is a tough business
> and the only thing easy about it is making mistakes.
>
> Air conditioning is never gonna' be a great draw. You can get that
> watching the game at home on television and the beer and the food will be
> a hell of a lot cheaper, not to mention the lack of lines at the bathroom
> and the lack of fighting traffic. The only thing that will fill the
> stands is a team in a streak of playing games that generate a sense of "I
> want to be there when it happens".
>
> And in the unlikely event that the Rangers should leave the Metroplex,
> have you caught any of the Roughriders's games that got on Channell 52?
> It's good baseball, even if it's only AA; it's in a beautiful park and the
> crowd is having so much fun that I just gotta' get there next season.
> That's serious quality-family entertainment. And they have some players
> who may never make it to the show, but they bust their asses on every
> crack of the bat and when they are good, they are a wonder to behold.
>
> -Doc
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:50 am
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>
> But the complaints always seem to come in Texas. Joe Torre was a recent
> example saying "why didn't they dome this thing when they were building it".
> Heck a retractable roof would be nice at this point.. They could keep it
> covered when the suns blazing down on all day, and then open it at night...
>

I attended a lot of baseball games in the Astrodome from its opening in
1965 on.

The first night I went the temperature outside in the Houston
atmosphere was 98 degrees and 90 percent humidity.

Inside it was 72 degrees, less than 40 percent humidity and the wind
was blowing at 1 mph out of the north, south, east and west

Oh there were gripes back then -- dead air - no home runs - the ball
wouldn't carry inside.

Bull!

Jimmy Wynn -- all 150 pounds of him -- hit a bunch of homers inside and
a lot of the seats in the third and upper deck were painted with his
number on them because that is where his homer landed.

One thing we can truthfully blame George Bush about -- no domed stadium
in Arlington. He was the managing general partner at that time and
being a baseball "purist" he insisted that the Rangers play outdoors.

As for the effects of the heat -- that is really a mute point.

The thing is we have the reputation of being hot as an oven.

Players have heard that so much that -- right or wrong -- they believe
it

As to why visiting teams are not affected by the heat so much -- they
only play three or four games at a time here at most.

On the other hand Texas players realize from the start of the season
what that ball park is going to feel like in July and August . And they
have to play every home game in it.

Heat does make a difference -- even perceived heat.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:06 pm
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Agreed... and heat does wear down players over time.. It's not so bad if a
team flying in knows they will be in Seattle the next few nights.

"leegrimsley" <leegrimsley.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> But the complaints always seem to come in Texas. Joe Torre was a recent
>> example saying "why didn't they dome this thing when they were building
>> it".
>> Heck a retractable roof would be nice at this point.. They could keep it
>> covered when the suns blazing down on all day, and then open it at
>> night...
>>
>
> I attended a lot of baseball games in the Astrodome from its opening in
> 1965 on.
>
> The first night I went the temperature outside in the Houston
> atmosphere was 98 degrees and 90 percent humidity.
>
> Inside it was 72 degrees, less than 40 percent humidity and the wind
> was blowing at 1 mph out of the north, south, east and west
>
> Oh there were gripes back then -- dead air - no home runs - the ball
> wouldn't carry inside.
>
> Bull!
>
> Jimmy Wynn -- all 150 pounds of him -- hit a bunch of homers inside and
> a lot of the seats in the third and upper deck were painted with his
> number on them because that is where his homer landed.
>
> One thing we can truthfully blame George Bush about -- no domed stadium
> in Arlington. He was the managing general partner at that time and
> being a baseball "purist" he insisted that the Rangers play outdoors.
>
> As for the effects of the heat -- that is really a mute point.
>
> The thing is we have the reputation of being hot as an oven.
>
> Players have heard that so much that -- right or wrong -- they believe
> it
>
> As to why visiting teams are not affected by the heat so much -- they
> only play three or four games at a time here at most.
>
> On the other hand Texas players realize from the start of the season
> what that ball park is going to feel like in July and August . And they
> have to play every home game in it.
>
> Heat does make a difference -- even perceived heat.
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:09 am
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Bush was a figure head here to be groomed for Governor and had nothing to do
with designing the Stadium. Blame belongs to club President Tom Sheifer and
his baseball purist ideas.

One only has to look at the comparison of attendance at Minute Maid Park and
Ameriquest to realize what a difference in being comfortable makes. And the
Astros haven't been playing any better than the Rangers. I previously lived
in DFW and had season tickets to Rangers. Come late July, August and
September, I couldn't give them away most nights. And my seats were behind
home plate under the overhang and the coolest area in the park (except the
private "Air Conditioned" club). The Rangers were short sighted in not
installing a retractable roof to be used "as needed" like the Astros'.


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>
>>
>> But the complaints always seem to come in Texas. Joe Torre was a recent
>> example saying "why didn't they dome this thing when they were building
>> it".
>> Heck a retractable roof would be nice at this point.. They could keep it
>> covered when the suns blazing down on all day, and then open it at
>> night...
>>
>
> I attended a lot of baseball games in the Astrodome from its opening in
> 1965 on.
>
> The first night I went the temperature outside in the Houston
> atmosphere was 98 degrees and 90 percent humidity.
>
> Inside it was 72 degrees, less than 40 percent humidity and the wind
> was blowing at 1 mph out of the north, south, east and west
>
> Oh there were gripes back then -- dead air - no home runs - the ball
> wouldn't carry inside.
>
> Bull!
>
> Jimmy Wynn -- all 150 pounds of him -- hit a bunch of homers inside and
> a lot of the seats in the third and upper deck were painted with his
> number on them because that is where his homer landed.
>
> One thing we can truthfully blame George Bush about -- no domed stadium
> in Arlington. He was the managing general partner at that time and
> being a baseball "purist" he insisted that the Rangers play outdoors.
>
> As for the effects of the heat -- that is really a mute point.
>
> The thing is we have the reputation of being hot as an oven.
>
> Players have heard that so much that -- right or wrong -- they believe
> it
>
> As to why visiting teams are not affected by the heat so much -- they
> only play three or four games at a time here at most.
>
> On the other hand Texas players realize from the start of the season
> what that ball park is going to feel like in July and August . And they
> have to play every home game in it.
>
> Heat does make a difference -- even perceived heat.
>
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:35 pm
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I gotta side with those in favor of the roof on this. And there's no
way to convince me that the summers in St. Louis are anywhere near as
hot as they are in Texas. A retractible roof would help attendance.

I hate to be one of those old whiners but I really miss the original
Arlington Stadium. It was probably just because I was younger then and
my butt could stand 3 hours on the aluminum bleachers.
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>I gotta side with those in favor of the roof on this. And there's no
> way to convince me that the summers in St. Louis are anywhere near as
> hot as they are in Texas. A retractible roof would help attendance.


Well statistically St Louis is cooler.. but people dont realize the
difference and average of 5 to 10 degrees can make on an athlete. Major
differences.

>
> I hate to be one of those old whiners but I really miss the original
> Arlington Stadium. It was probably just because I was younger then and
> my butt could stand 3 hours on the aluminum bleachers.


I remember the bleacher seats.. Only problem is the only time it would sell
out was when Ryan was pitching.
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