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David Emerling

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:44 pm
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I was watching ESPN and was somewhat disappointed when Harold Reynolds was
discussing NL MVP possibilities by comparing Bonds and Pujols. He made it
seem as if it was a no-brainer ... Bonds is the obviously choice, according
to Reynolds, and he concluded the segment by saying that "Bonds is the best
player in baseball." Bonds is certainly great ... but I was hoping that
Pujols would when. That's just my biased opinion.

The guy is great! How 'bout that 8th inning homer off Smoltz. And, unlike
Bonds, Pujols has the modesty afterwards to refere to Smoltz as the "best
closer in baseball" and say that he (Pujols) "must've got lucky." Pujols is
just a classier guy than Bonds.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

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Honus Wagner

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:44 pm
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"David Emerling" <demerlin.DeleteThis@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I was watching ESPN and was somewhat disappointed when Harold Reynolds was
> discussing NL MVP possibilities by comparing Bonds and Pujols. He made it
> seem as if it was a no-brainer ... Bonds is the obviously choice,
according
> to Reynolds, and he concluded the segment by saying that "Bonds is the
best
> player in baseball." Bonds is certainly great ... but I was hoping that
> Pujols would when. That's just my biased opinion.
>
> The guy is great! How 'bout that 8th inning homer off Smoltz. And,
unlike
> Bonds, Pujols has the modesty afterwards to refere to Smoltz as the "best
> closer in baseball" and say that he (Pujols) "must've got lucky." Pujols
is
> just a classier guy than Bonds.

PUjols may be classier but he may not be either... I don't personally know
either guy and I know that the media only likes guys that allow them to do
their job easier and better. I frankly don't see any reason that Bonds or
any player should "have to talk to the media". Pujols "I got lucky" smacks
of the McGwire syndrome where everyone is humble on the surface but really
hates to lose and has a HUGE ego about it, Bonds knows he is good and is not
afraid to admit it. Oh, and when Bonds finally homered off of Mike Myers, T
Hoffman and other notable "Bonds killers" his comments generally are along
the lines of "you win some and you lose some and when you are going against
the best you have to be good to win"...

As far as MVP this year goes, Bonds clearly is the more feared hitter, but I
would not argue with either Pujols, Sheffield or Bonds as the MVP... all
three are having outstanding years. Pujols probably needs the Cards to win
the Central to win the MVP.

My guess is that the media will be reluctant to give Bonds a 3rd MVP in a
row so Sheffield might sneak in if Stl falls out of the race. If Pujols can
stay healthy (and assuming he is really 23) then AROd vs Pujols should be an
interesting debate for the next 15 years.

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SOMLAW

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:14 pm
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David Emerling wrote:
> I was watching ESPN and was somewhat disappointed when Harold Reynolds was
> discussing NL MVP possibilities by comparing Bonds and Pujols. He made it
> seem as if it was a no-brainer ... Bonds is the obviously choice, according
> to Reynolds, and he concluded the segment by saying that "Bonds is the best
> player in baseball." Bonds is certainly great ... but I was hoping that
> Pujols would when. That's just my biased opinion.
>
> The guy is great! How 'bout that 8th inning homer off Smoltz. And, unlike
> Bonds, Pujols has the modesty afterwards to refere to Smoltz as the "best
> closer in baseball" and say that he (Pujols) "must've got lucky." Pujols is
> just a classier guy than Bonds.
>
> David Emerling
> Memphis, TN


If it comes down to Bonds and Pujols, Pujols will win it. For the same
sort of reason Barry Zito won the AL Cy Young over Pedro Martinez last
season, the writers are sick (who vote) of Barry Bonds.



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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:15 pm
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> PUjols may be classier but he may not be either... I don't personally know
> either guy and I know that the media only likes guys that allow them to do
> their job easier and better. I frankly don't see any reason that Bonds or
> any player should "have to talk to the media". Pujols "I got lucky" smacks
> of the McGwire syndrome where everyone is humble on the surface but really
> hates to lose and has a HUGE ego about it, Bonds knows he is good and is not
> afraid to admit it. Oh, and when Bonds finally homered off of Mike Myers, T
> Hoffman and other notable "Bonds killers" his comments generally are along
> the lines of "you win some and you lose some and when you are going against
> the best you have to be good to win"...


All pro athletes at the elite level are hard nosed aggressive
competitors. You need that fire in your belly to play. Pujols just has
enough common sense to play nice with sportswriters.

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Jeff Fawcett

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 12:56 pm
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unfortunately the biggest factor in Pujols' favor is the failing
health of Bobby Bonds (one of my favorites growing up). Barry is
taking a minimum of a week off to be with him and won't play nearly as
many games as Pujols this season - he's already played 18 less. He'll
win still another SLG and OBP title but won't have the big counting
stats. Pujols looks to be the favorite in my mind.

The guy who deserves more pub is Javy Lopez. He's just shy of enough
ABs to qualify on the % stats list but he's at .324, 33, 81 while
playing easily the most demanding position. His OBP is actually higher
than Sheffield's, 3rd in the league (I don't count any player on the
Rockies).
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Jeanne Douglas

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 4:22 am
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In article <69e602b6.0308151156.28151f9a RemoveThis @posting.google.com>,
jefffawcett RemoveThis @yahoo.com (Jeff Fawcett) wrote:

> unfortunately the biggest factor in Pujols' favor is the failing
> health of Bobby Bonds (one of my favorites growing up). Barry is
> taking a minimum of a week off to be with him and won't play nearly as
> many games as Pujols this season - he's already played 18 less. He'll
> win still another SLG and OBP title but won't have the big counting
> stats. Pujols looks to be the favorite in my mind.

I had the same thought.

> The guy who deserves more pub is Javy Lopez. He's just shy of enough
> ABs to qualify on the % stats list but he's at .324, 33, 81 while
> playing easily the most demanding position. His OBP is actually higher
> than Sheffield's, 3rd in the league (I don't count any player on the
> Rockies).

Javy was my best free agent pickup in the Cards group fantasy league.
People kept telling me sell high before he reverts to form.
BWAHAHAHA--I'm so pleased I ignored them.

--
JD

"I see great things in baseball. It's our game, the American game.
It will repair our losses and be a blessing to us."-- Walt Whitman
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Morehits4u

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 4:04 pm
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>Subject: Re: Pujols MVP
>From: jefffawcett RemoveThis @yahoo.com (Jeff Fawcett)
>Date: 8/15/03 2:56 PM Central

what difference does it make who
wins the mvp ? there are a few other
things..like division and world series..
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Kris Wickerham

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 1:41 am
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Although I believe Pujols is clearly the NL MVP, I think the passing of
Bobby Bonds could, ironically, actually hurt Pujols' chances of winning the
award. (Please note I also believe Bonds' passing, however, is a much more
serious and significant loss than any individual award for any player, let
alone a Cardinal).

First, there will probably be an upswell of sympathy for Barry Bonds.
Certainly the pain of losing your father, particularly to a long and painful
illness, is tragic and no one deserves that experience, but I would not be
surprised to hear sports pundits talking about Barry "bravely continuing on"
through the season. And while, yes, I admire the fact Bonds has been able
to stay focused and continually produce despite his father's illness and
death, I am not convinced that makes him worthy of the MVP this year.

Second, the west coast pundits will very loudly point out the difference in
games played between Bonds and Pujols and argue that when compared in a
games played to performance ratio, Bond's should win. This could sway
enough other writers to pull votes away from Albert.

Third, similarly, the west coast pundits will vote overwhelmingly in favor
of Bonds (even normally middle of the road guys like Jim Rome are already
coming out in favor of Bonds with a month to go in the season). Likewise,
given the nationwide attention paid to Bonds, there will certainly be a
number of east coast pundits who vote for Bonds, as well. Pujols will get
heavy support from NL Central cities who, after all, have seen the guy
regularly.... but is that enough to carry the award for him?

I hope I am wrong about this, but I don't have much faith in media voters.

Albert is clearly a better third year player than any person currently
playing was at his experience level and you could make a solid argument he's
had the best first three years in professional baseball history... but he's
a small market guy and even the widespread respect the Cardinals get from
knowledgable baseball types may not overcome the west/east coast bias.




"Jeff Fawcett" <jefffawcett DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> unfortunately the biggest factor in Pujols' favor is the failing
> health of Bobby Bonds (one of my favorites growing up). Barry is
> taking a minimum of a week off to be with him and won't play nearly as
> many games as Pujols this season - he's already played 18 less. He'll
> win still another SLG and OBP title but won't have the big counting
> stats. Pujols looks to be the favorite in my mind.
>
> The guy who deserves more pub is Javy Lopez. He's just shy of enough
> ABs to qualify on the % stats list but he's at .324, 33, 81 while
> playing easily the most demanding position. His OBP is actually higher
> than Sheffield's, 3rd in the league (I don't count any player on the
> Rockies).
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Tina Marie

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 8:59 am
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Get over it. Bonds, is Bonds. There will never be another Bonds. Who
knows, Bonds could be the best ever.

And please, your boy Albert is no Bonds, and never will be. He has a
looooooooong way to go to even come close to Bonds. Maybe he could carry
Barry's jock strap, maybe.

However, I am impressed that some of you are facing the reality that
Albert boy will not win the MVP, the Triple Crown or bat 400 for the
year.

So come on down and land on your feet. You schmucks are way to high up
there for Albert boy to win any damn thing.

Tina Marie
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Cards4Life

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:05 pm
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Tsk, tsk. You are quite the woman. Go back to nursing your puppies.
"Tina Marie" <NaughtieTina.TakeThisOut@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Get over it. Bonds, is Bonds. There will never be another Bonds. Who
> knows, Bonds could be the best ever.
>
> And please, your boy Albert is no Bonds, and never will be. He has a
> looooooooong way to go to even come close to Bonds. Maybe he could carry
> Barry's jock strap, maybe.
>
> However, I am impressed that some of you are facing the reality that
> Albert boy will not win the MVP, the Triple Crown or bat 400 for the
> year.
>
> So come on down and land on your feet. You schmucks are way to high up
> there for Albert boy to win any damn thing.
>
> Tina Marie
>
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