Pedro and the NL..

Kevingr (kevingr97@my-deja.com) writes:
> There was a piece recently in www.nytimes.com - or it might have been
> cnnsi.com - sorry, can't find the link - which argued that Pedro is
> going to mow down NL lineups with ease because ... and this is the bit
> that interests me ... in the NL the 5, 6, and 7 slot hitters are
> usually of the calibre of 7, 8 and 9 slot hitters in the AL.

Pedro's best days are well behind him; the Mets were foolish to give him
that kind of money. Pedro will not be mowing down anybody, ever, again. He
is no more than slightly above average at this point in this career; the
Mets will be fortunate to get 50-55 wins from him over the next 4 years
for their 50 million.
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Corby Gilmore wrote:
> Kevingr (kevingr97@my-deja.com) writes:
>
>>There was a piece recently in www.nytimes.com - or it might have been
>>cnnsi.com - sorry, can't find the link - which argued that Pedro is
>>going to mow down NL lineups with ease because ... and this is the bit
>>that interests me ... in the NL the 5, 6, and 7 slot hitters are
>>usually of the calibre of 7, 8 and 9 slot hitters in the AL.
>
>
> Pedro's best days are well behind him; the Mets were foolish to give him
> that kind of money. Pedro will not be mowing down anybody, ever, again. He
> is no more than slightly above average at this point in this career; the
> Mets will be fortunate to get 50-55 wins from him over the next 4 years
> for their 50 million.
> --
> Corby Gilmore
> corby RemoveThis @ncf.ca

Slightly above average? He was still one of the top 10 pitchers in the
league this year, and his peripherals and DIPS ERA were better than his
ERA indicated. He still struck out a batter an inning, though his HR/9
and BB/9 did go up. He also, despite pitching more innings, took less
abuse (according to BP's Pitcher Abuse Points) than he did in '03. Is
he still running off all-time great seasons? No. But he certainly is, at
this point, well above average, and one of the better pitchers in the
game. The question is how long he can keep that up. I agree 4 years is
too long a risk.
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Corby Gilmore venit, vidit, et dixit:

> Pedro's best days are well behind him; the Mets were foolish to give him
> that kind of money. Pedro will not be mowing down anybody, ever, again.

He finished second in the American League in both strikeouts and
strikeouts per nine innings pitched. He struck out more than a batter
per inning. Are you predicting an injury? A mob hit? He struck out
more batters and struck batters out more often than Curt Schilling --
are you predicting that no one outside of Johan Santana will ever mow
down anyone ever again?

> He is no more than slightly above average at this point in this career;

Really? In 2004, Pedro Martinez was...

2nd in strikeouts
2nd in strikeouts/9IP
3rd in hits allowed
4th in (bb+h)/9IP
4th in Cy Young voting
6th in innings pitched
8th in adjusted ERA+
9th in ERA

I'm unconvinced that he's only slightly better than average. There
are apparently a lot of below-average pitchers then...

> the Mets will be fortunate to get 50-55 wins from him over the next 4
> years for their 50 million.

Perhaps. I'm not convinced you know what you're talking about,
however, so I'm not sure why I should believe you on this point.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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On 1/4/2005 11:25:20 AM, Bob-Nob wrote:

> Really? In 2004, Pedro Martinez was...
>
> 2nd in strikeouts
> 2nd in strikeouts/9IP
> 3rd in hits allowed
> 4th in (bb+h)/9IP
> 4th in Cy Young voting
> 6th in innings pitched
> 8th in adjusted ERA+
> 9th in ERA

Yeah, but other than that, what did he do?
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Kenny1111 venit, vidit, et dixit:

<snip of stuff on Pedro Martinez>

> He was still one of the top 10 pitchers in the league this year, and
> his peripherals and DIPS ERA were better than his ERA indicated.

At what point does a difference in ERA and dERA become significant?
Yes, Martinez's dERA ended up being lower than his ERA, but they were
fairly close for most of the season, as I recall. My personal rule of
thumb has been that the difference isn't especially noteworthy until it
reaches about half a run; I don't have any particular reason for making
that the cut-off, however, so I'm perfectly happy to be corrected on this
point.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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Amherst College, Math & Classics | rise again, and woe to the wicked!"
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Tarkus venit, vidit, et dixit:
> On 1/4/2005 11:25:20 AM, Bob-Nob wrote:

>> Really? In 2004, Pedro Martinez was...

>> 2nd in strikeouts
>> 2nd in strikeouts/9IP
>> 3rd in hits allowed
>> 4th in (bb+h)/9IP
>> 4th in Cy Young voting
>> 6th in innings pitched
>> 8th in adjusted ERA+
>> 9th in ERA

> Yeah, but other than that, what did he do?

Built the aqueduct?

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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Robert Paul Aubrey Machemer | "For each time he falls, he shall
Amherst College, Math & Classics | rise again, and woe to the wicked!"
IF1, IF3, IF9: best films, cast | --Don Quixote (Man of La Mancha)
(What are YOU doing this weekend? See IF12 on May 23rd, 2004)
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> >> 2nd in strikeouts
> >> 2nd in strikeouts/9IP
> >> 3rd in hits allowed
> >> 4th in (bb+h)/9IP
> >> 4th in Cy Young voting
> >> 6th in innings pitched
> >> 8th in adjusted ERA+
> >> 9th in ERA
>
> > Yeah, but other than that, what did he do?
>
> Built the aqueduct?

so you're saying pedro is more valuable than bonds?

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Ben B
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