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Dano

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:44 pm
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I think for those of us looking to improve our middle infield offense, we
need to take a deep breath. It doesn't look like it is that close... at
least from here.

Pedroia- 62 ABs....338 OBP....339 SLG....242 AVG
Machado- 77 ABs...351 OBP....364 SLG....195 AVG
Wilson- 69ABs....312 OBP....406 SLG....246 AVG

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:55 pm
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Bob-Nob wrote:
> Dano venit, vidit, et dixit:
> > "Bob-Nob" <rpmachemer.DeleteThis@note.amherst.edu> wrote...
> >> Dano venit, vidit, et dixit:
>
> >>> I think for those of us looking to improve our middle infield offense,
> >>> we need to take a deep breath. It doesn't look like it is that
> >>> close... at least from here.
>
> >>> Pedroia- 62 ABs....338 OBP....339 SLG....242 AVG
> >>> Machado- 77 ABs...351 OBP....364 SLG....195 AVG
> >>> Wilson- 69ABs....312 OBP....406 SLG....246 AVG
>
> >> Indeed. Ah, the fun of small samples. Pedroia may be a lot
> >> better than he looks in his small sample; but then again, so may
> >> Loretta. (So may Gonzalez, for that matter, but unlike Loretta
> >> and to a lesser extent Pedroia, Gonzalez doesn't have as much of
> >> a history for good hitting).
>
> >> Come on, Loretta! Stop doing such a damned good Tony Clark
> >> impersonation! (The "good" refers to the impersonation, not to
> >> how Tony Clark played in Boston, of course).
>
> > I'm not looking at these numbers as true indicators of future performance,
> > but if they haven't been faring better against AAA pitching, there isn't a
> > whole lot of hope for improvement in the majors right away.
>
> I'd take a slightly different tack in describing it: if they've
> hit this poorly against AAA to this point, there is little reason to
> think the Sox would have been better off playing their AAA middle
> infielders instead of the detritus who have been playing. I think
> there's still PLENTY of hope that Pedroia (who is, after all, coming
> off an injury in spring training, for one mitigating circumstance) is
> better than Gonzalez, at least (though how Pedroia's defense is at short,
> I have no idea).
>
> > That is what we're looking for...immediate improvement.
>
> *nods*
>
> > I have heard there have been
> > players who actually hit better when brought up (Nomar?...Boggs maybe?),
>
> I'm sure there are others (though I can't say for certain who they
> are). I'd guess Piazza and Pujols, for two. The truth is that probably
> anybody who comes up and immediately hits like a Hall of Famer is probably
> someone who, on some level, is hitting better in the majors than he did
> in the minors (again, off the top of my head without anything to back that
> up).
>
> > but
> > I don't think it's wise to count on that. In time it may be worth giving
> > it a go with Pedroia though. If A-gon can't do better soon, there might be
> > little harm in trying.
>
> I'd bring Pedroia up the second he feels comfortable enough at AAA
> to warrant taking the next step. I'd worry less about his overall numbers
> (because, again, a slow start can mask how well a hitter has hit lately)
> than his confidence level -- I don't want to ruin the future Pedroia by
> bringing him up too soon. I'd also tell him when he got up that there was
> no pressure on him to be a star. Just make the plays and do the stuff
> he did well in the minors and that the stardom will come. The truth is
> that Gonzalez is playing badly enough right now that Machado could probably
> be an improvement, much less a Pedroia who plays as well as he played
> last year.

Here are some interesting AAA numbers:

Individual Stats (Batting) (click column headers to sort)
Player POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG
AVG OPS E
Lou Merloni 3B 19 73 7 26 9 0 2 10 41 6 13 0 1 .427 .562 .356 .988 1

Andy Marte 3B 24 88 14 26 9 0 0 5 35 17 19 1 0 .402 .398 .295 .800 6

The much ballyhooed Mr. Marte is batting for a decent average and
reaching base successfully, but has zero HRs and 5 RBI with 88 ABs.
Meanwhile as usual our old buddy Lou Merloni is exceeding expectations.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:29 pm
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Dano venit, vidit, et dixit:

> I think for those of us looking to improve our middle infield offense, we
> need to take a deep breath. It doesn't look like it is that close... at
> least from here.

> Pedroia- 62 ABs....338 OBP....339 SLG....242 AVG
> Machado- 77 ABs...351 OBP....364 SLG....195 AVG
> Wilson- 69ABs....312 OBP....406 SLG....246 AVG

Indeed. Ah, the fun of small samples. Pedroia may be a lot
better than he looks in his small sample; but then again, so may Loretta.
(So may Gonzalez, for that matter, but unlike Loretta and to a lesser
extent Pedroia, Gonzalez doesn't have as much of a history for good
hitting).

Come on, Loretta! Stop doing such a damned good Tony Clark
impersonation! (The "good" refers to the impersonation, not to
how Tony Clark played in Boston, of course).

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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Amherst College, Math & Classics | rise again, and woe to the wicked!"
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 4:03 pm
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"Bob-Nob" <rpmachemer RemoveThis @note.amherst.edu> wrote in message
news:445a5619@amhnt2.amherst.edu...
> Dano venit, vidit, et dixit:
>
>> I think for those of us looking to improve our middle infield offense, we
>> need to take a deep breath. It doesn't look like it is that close... at
>> least from here.
>
>> Pedroia- 62 ABs....338 OBP....339 SLG....242 AVG
>> Machado- 77 ABs...351 OBP....364 SLG....195 AVG
>> Wilson- 69ABs....312 OBP....406 SLG....246 AVG
>
> Indeed. Ah, the fun of small samples. Pedroia may be a lot
> better than he looks in his small sample; but then again, so may Loretta.
> (So may Gonzalez, for that matter, but unlike Loretta and to a lesser
> extent Pedroia, Gonzalez doesn't have as much of a history for good
> hitting).
>
> Come on, Loretta! Stop doing such a damned good Tony Clark
> impersonation! (The "good" refers to the impersonation, not to
> how Tony Clark played in Boston, of course).
>
I'm not looking at these numbers as true indicators of future performance,
but if they haven't been faring better against AAA pitching, there isn't a
whole lot of hope for improvement in the majors right away. That is what
we're looking for...immediate improvement. I have heard there have been
players who actually hit better when brought up (Nomar?...Boggs maybe?), but
I don't think it's wise to count on that. In time it may be worth giving it
a go with Pedroia though. If A-gon can't do better soon, there might be
little harm in trying.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 4:34 pm
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Dano venit, vidit, et dixit:
> "Bob-Nob" <rpmachemer DeleteThis @note.amherst.edu> wrote...
>> Dano venit, vidit, et dixit:

>>> I think for those of us looking to improve our middle infield offense,
>>> we need to take a deep breath. It doesn't look like it is that
>>> close... at least from here.

>>> Pedroia- 62 ABs....338 OBP....339 SLG....242 AVG
>>> Machado- 77 ABs...351 OBP....364 SLG....195 AVG
>>> Wilson- 69ABs....312 OBP....406 SLG....246 AVG

>> Indeed. Ah, the fun of small samples. Pedroia may be a lot
>> better than he looks in his small sample; but then again, so may
>> Loretta. (So may Gonzalez, for that matter, but unlike Loretta
>> and to a lesser extent Pedroia, Gonzalez doesn't have as much of
>> a history for good hitting).

>> Come on, Loretta! Stop doing such a damned good Tony Clark
>> impersonation! (The "good" refers to the impersonation, not to
>> how Tony Clark played in Boston, of course).

> I'm not looking at these numbers as true indicators of future performance,
> but if they haven't been faring better against AAA pitching, there isn't a
> whole lot of hope for improvement in the majors right away.

I'd take a slightly different tack in describing it: if they've
hit this poorly against AAA to this point, there is little reason to
think the Sox would have been better off playing their AAA middle
infielders instead of the detritus who have been playing. I think
there's still PLENTY of hope that Pedroia (who is, after all, coming
off an injury in spring training, for one mitigating circumstance) is
better than Gonzalez, at least (though how Pedroia's defense is at short,
I have no idea).

> That is what we're looking for...immediate improvement.

*nods*

> I have heard there have been
> players who actually hit better when brought up (Nomar?...Boggs maybe?),

I'm sure there are others (though I can't say for certain who they
are). I'd guess Piazza and Pujols, for two. The truth is that probably
anybody who comes up and immediately hits like a Hall of Famer is probably
someone who, on some level, is hitting better in the majors than he did
in the minors (again, off the top of my head without anything to back that
up).

> but
> I don't think it's wise to count on that. In time it may be worth giving
> it a go with Pedroia though. If A-gon can't do better soon, there might be
> little harm in trying.

I'd bring Pedroia up the second he feels comfortable enough at AAA
to warrant taking the next step. I'd worry less about his overall numbers
(because, again, a slow start can mask how well a hitter has hit lately)
than his confidence level -- I don't want to ruin the future Pedroia by
bringing him up too soon. I'd also tell him when he got up that there was
no pressure on him to be a star. Just make the plays and do the stuff
he did well in the minors and that the stardom will come. The truth is
that Gonzalez is playing badly enough right now that Machado could probably
be an improvement, much less a Pedroia who plays as well as he played
last year.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

--
Robert Paul Aubrey Machemer | "For each time he falls, he shall
Amherst College, Math & Classics | rise again, and woe to the wicked!"
IF1, IF3, IF9: best films, cast | --Don Quixote (Man of La Mancha)
"I know about society. I am taking a Sociology course." -- from asbb-r
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:42 am
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