Why isn't Papelbon in?

On Jul 7, 8:20 pm, Gary <golfera....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 22:15:06 -0400, eric <e....RemoveThis@local.net> wrote:
> >On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe dream
> >babbled:
>
> >> ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.
>
> >The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the division
> >and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.
>
> No, the reason is that they had faith in Okijima. Justifiably so.

Hindsight.
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On Jul 7, 8:24 pm, Gary <golfera... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:22:53 -0700, Throws like Mary
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> <yank_ees_s... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 7, 8:20 pm, Gary <golfera... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 22:15:06 -0400, eric <e... RemoveThis @local.net> wrote:
> >> >On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe dream
> >> >babbled:
>
> >> >> ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.
>
> >> >The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the division
> >> >and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.
>
> >> No, the reason is that they had faith in Okijima. Justifiably so.
>
> >Hindsight.
>
> Not really. They knew Granderson hits .143 or so against LHP.

Of course it is hindsight, by definition.
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On Jul 7, 8:29 pm, Throws like Mary <yank_ees_s... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:24 pm, Gary <golfera... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
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>
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> > On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:22:53 -0700, Throws like Mary
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> > <yank_ees_s... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >On Jul 7, 8:20 pm, Gary <golfera... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 22:15:06 -0400, eric <e... DeleteThis @local.net> wrote:
> > >> >On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe dream
> > >> >babbled:
>
> > >> >> ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.
>
> > >> >The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the division
> > >> >and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.
>
> > >> No, the reason is that they had faith in Okijima. Justifiably so.
>
> > >Hindsight.
>
> > Not really. They knew Granderson hits .143 or so against LHP.
>
> Of course it is hindsight, by definition.

So, now that TIMLIN is in, do they have faith in Timlin? Do you?
Your logic is flawed.
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On Jul 7, 8:31 pm, Throws like Mary <yank_ees_s... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:29 pm, Throws like Mary <yank_ees_s... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 7, 8:24 pm, Gary <golfera... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
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> > > On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:22:53 -0700, Throws like Mary
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> > > <yank_ees_s... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >On Jul 7, 8:20 pm, Gary <golfera... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 22:15:06 -0400, eric <e... DeleteThis @local.net> wrote:
> > > >> >On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe dream
> > > >> >babbled:
>
> > > >> >> ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.
>
> > > >> >The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the division
> > > >> >and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.
>
> > > >> No, the reason is that they had faith in Okijima. Justifiably so.
>
> > > >Hindsight.
>
> > > Not really. They knew Granderson hits .143 or so against LHP.
>
> > Of course it is hindsight, by definition.
>
> So, now that TIMLIN is in, do they have faith in Timlin? Do you?
> Your logic is flawed.

Your assumption that Okajima was in because of "faith" had nothing to
do with Francona's reasoning. Who's up next? Snyder -- because they
have faith in him? lol.
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On Jul 7, 8:34 pm, Gary <golfera....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:

> Obviously, the Sox go ahead, Papelbon comes in.

Right...because they can't possibly lose it BEFORE that... Lol.
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On Jul 7, 8:45 pm, Gary <golfera... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:43:52 -0700, Throws like Mary
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> <yank_ees_s... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 7, 8:34 pm, Gary <golfera... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
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> >> Obviously, the Sox go ahead, Papelbon comes in.
>
> >Right...because they can't possibly lose it BEFORE that... Lol.
>
> Oh, they could. Never said otherwise.

But you made it seem as if the reasoning was sound. You agreed with
your own thinking. It's flawed.
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On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe dream
babbled:

> ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.

The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the division
and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.

--
Quis corriget ipsos correctores?
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On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 22:15:06 -0400, eric <eric.TakeThisOut@local.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe dream
>babbled:
>
>> ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.
>
>The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the division
>and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.

No, the reason is that they had faith in Okijima. Justifiably so.
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On Jul 7, 8:49 pm, Gary <golfera... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:47:26 -0700, Throws like Mary
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> <yank_ees_s... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 7, 8:45 pm, Gary <golfera... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:43:52 -0700, Throws like Mary
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> >> <yank_ees_s... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jul 7, 8:34 pm, Gary <golfera... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
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> >> >> Obviously, the Sox go ahead, Papelbon comes in.
>
> >> >Right...because they can't possibly lose it BEFORE that... Lol.
>
> >> Oh, they could. Never said otherwise.
>
> >But you made it seem as if the reasoning was sound. You agreed with
> >your own thinking. It's flawed.
>
> Whatever. I understand you are a legend in your mind.

And I understand that you are an illogical tool. And I just
demonstrated it again.
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"eric" <eric.DeleteThis@local.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe dream
> babbled:
>
> > ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.
>
> The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the division
> and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.

bULLSHIT! He was far from overused. Now he is both underused and
underutilized.
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On Jul 8, 8:29 am, "gnork" <gnor... DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
> "eric" <e... DeleteThis @local.net> wrote in message
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> news:pan.2007.07.08.02.15.06.557685@local.net...
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> > On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe dream
> > babbled:
>
> > > ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.
>
> > The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the division
> > and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.
>
> bULLSHIT! He was far from overused. Now he is both underused and
> underutilized.

Is that why he gave up the losing run last night?

And how do you know he was not overused? From what the reports were
saying, his sublaxation in his right shoulder was aggrivated (or
initiated?) by the constant up-and-down of relief pitching. And
that's why they've been more careful with him this year. Or do you
know something about his health that the doctors don't?

John
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<john.vampatella RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 8, 8:29 am, "gnork" <gnor... RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
> > "eric" <e... RemoveThis @local.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:pan.2007.07.08.02.15.06.557685@local.net...
> >
> > > On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe
dream
> > > babbled:
> >
> > > > ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.
> >
> > > The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the
division
> > > and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.
> >
> > bULLSHIT! He was far from overused. Now he is both underused and
> > underutilized.
>
> Is that why he gave up the losing run last night?

Quite possibly.
>
> And how do you know he was not overused? From what the reports were
> saying, his sublaxation in his right shoulder was aggrivated (or
> initiated?) by the constant up-and-down of relief pitching. And
> that's why they've been more careful with him this year. Or do you
> know something about his health that the doctors don't?

There was no causitive definity stated. I know something about pitching that
the doctors might not know. It starts with closers being underutilized in
general and with pitchers being better off throwing more innings in perhaps
less games. The pitch counting fools fully ignore the pitches thrown warming
up in the BP and on the mound. The Red Sox are not getting all that much
value out of Papelbon aside from the glare and the great K stats. It
certainly is not nearly as much value as commonly perceived.
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"gnork" <gnork44.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> <john.vampatella.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Jul 8, 8:29 am, "gnork" <gnor....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > "eric" <e....TakeThisOut@local.net> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:pan.2007.07.08.02.15.06.557685@local.net...
>> >
>> > > On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:08:28 -0700, Throws like Mary, during a pipe
> dream
>> > > babbled:
>> >
>> > > > ??? 2nd and third, one out. Ballgame.
>> >
>> > > The reason is that the Red Sox have a double digit lead in the
> division
>> > > and that Papelbon had arm problems due to overuse last year.
>> >
>> > bULLSHIT! He was far from overused. Now he is both underused and
>> > underutilized.
>>
>> Is that why he gave up the losing run last night?
>
> Quite possibly.
>>
>> And how do you know he was not overused? From what the reports were
>> saying, his sublaxation in his right shoulder was aggrivated (or
>> initiated?) by the constant up-and-down of relief pitching. And
>> that's why they've been more careful with him this year. Or do you
>> know something about his health that the doctors don't?
>
> There was no causitive definity stated. I know something about pitching
> that
> the doctors might not know. It starts with closers being underutilized in
> general and with pitchers being better off throwing more innings in
> perhaps
> less games. The pitch counting fools fully ignore the pitches thrown
> warming
> up in the BP and on the mound. The Red Sox are not getting all that much
> value out of Papelbon aside from the glare and the great K stats. It
> certainly is not nearly as much value as commonly perceived.
>
>

And maybe you're just living in the past.
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