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Since: Jun 01, 2007 Posts: 161
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:38 am
Post subject: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. Archived from groups: alt>sports>baseball>stl-cardinals (more info?)
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Article below. My 3am spewage first: I find it odd that Tony's excuse
for benching Pujols is "versatility." When is the last time Albert
played anywhere besides 1b ????
On the other hand, perhaps Albert should be glad to have been added to
the roster and asked to fill a spot in the HR derby.
Still, players have started the ASG based upon previous year's
performance numerous times. The fact that Fielder is hot
notwithstanding, Albert deserved a showing in the game. He's not a
first year popularity winner or a washed up dignitary. Even though
Albert looks bad for kvetching, I'll take his side on this one.
Pujols Angry After Being Left on Bench
By JANIE McCAULEY,AP
Posted: 2007-07-11 01:11:51
Filed Under: MLB
SAN FRANCISCO (July 10) - Albert Pujols was angry about being left on
the All-Star bench and the St. Louis slugger took aim at the National
League manager - who just happened to be Tony La Russa of his own
Cardinals.
"It's the All-Star game. He can do what he wants," Pujols said Tuesday
night. "He does whatever he wants. If I wasn't expecting to play, I
wouldn't have come up here."
Pujols, the NL MVP in 2005 and key to the Cardinals' win in the World
Series last year, said La Russa didn't talk to him the entire game.
Pujols could only watch when Aaron Rowand flied out with the bases
loaded to end the American League's 5-4 win.
"If he wants to get upset, he can get upset," La Russa said. "Whatever
he wants to do, he can do. It's America. That wasn't the most
important thing tonight."
With the 32-man rosters, it's not uncommon for few players to be left
out. The AL used 27 players, while the NL used 28.
Pujols and Texas shortstop Michael Young - last year's All-Star game
MVP - were the only position players who didn't get into the game.
Ever since the 2002 event ended in an extra-innings tie, managers have
tended to hold a hitter back just in case.
La Russa said he indeed was saving his star player in case the game
went long.
"Once we lost (Miguel) Cabrera and (Freddy) Sanchez, he was the guy we
were going to use to protect ourselves in case we kept playing because
of Albert's versatility," La Russa said. "I think we had the right guy
at bat."
A six-time All-Star, Pujols finished about 770,000 votes behind
starting first baseman Prince Fielder. He played left field regularly
in 2002 and '03 and also saw time at third base in 2001 and '02.
Pujols said he was getting his body loose the whole night.
"I was ready to go since the game started," Pujols said.
Pujols is mired in a career-worst home run slump - 22 games and a
career-worst 74 at-bats. He is tied with Chris Duncan for the team
lead with 16 homers and his last homer was off Kansas City's Jimmy
Gobble on June 14. >> Stay informed about: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jul 11, 11:14 am, Tom <drso....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 3:38 am, LidsvilleNine <LidsvilleN....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Article below. My 3am spewage first: I find it odd that Tony's excuse
> > for benching Pujols is "versatility." When is the last time Albert
> > played anywhere besides 1b ????
> > On the other hand, perhaps Albert should be glad to have been added to
> > the roster and asked to fill a spot in the HR derby.
> > Still, players have started the ASG based upon previous year's
> > performance numerous times. The fact that Fielder is hot
> > notwithstanding, Albert deserved a showing in the game. He's not a
> > first year popularity winner or a washed up dignitary. Even though
> > Albert looks bad for kvetching, I'll take his side on this one.
>
> > Pujols Angry After Being Left on Bench
> > By JANIE McCAULEY,AP
> > Posted: 2007-07-11 01:11:51
> > Filed Under: MLB
> > SAN FRANCISCO (July 10) - Albert Pujols was angry about being left on
> > the All-Star bench and the St. Louis slugger took aim at the National
> > League manager - who just happened to be Tony La Russa of his own
> > Cardinals.
> > "It's the All-Star game. He can do what he wants," Pujols said Tuesday
> > night. "He does whatever he wants. If I wasn't expecting to play, I
> > wouldn't have come up here."
>
> > Pujols, the NL MVP in 2005 and key to the Cardinals' win in the World
> > Series last year, said La Russa didn't talk to him the entire game.
>
> > Pujols could only watch when Aaron Rowand flied out with the bases
> > loaded to end the American League's 5-4 win.
>
> > "If he wants to get upset, he can get upset," La Russa said. "Whatever
> > he wants to do, he can do. It's America. That wasn't the most
> > important thing tonight."
>
> > With the 32-man rosters, it's not uncommon for few players to be left
> > out. The AL used 27 players, while the NL used 28.
>
> > Pujols and Texas shortstop Michael Young - last year's All-Star game
> > MVP - were the only position players who didn't get into the game.
> > Ever since the 2002 event ended in an extra-innings tie, managers have
> > tended to hold a hitter back just in case.
>
> > La Russa said he indeed was saving his star player in case the game
> > went long.
>
> > "Once we lost (Miguel) Cabrera and (Freddy) Sanchez, he was the guy we
> > were going to use to protect ourselves in case we kept playing because
> > of Albert's versatility," La Russa said. "I think we had the right guy
> > at bat."
>
> > A six-time All-Star, Pujols finished about 770,000 votes behind
> > starting first baseman Prince Fielder. He played left field regularly
> > in 2002 and '03 and also saw time at third base in 2001 and '02.
>
> > Pujols said he was getting his body loose the whole night.
>
> > "I was ready to go since the game started," Pujols said.
>
> > Pujols is mired in a career-worst home run slump - 22 games and a
> > career-worst 74 at-bats. He is tied with Chris Duncan for the team
> > lead with 16 homers and his last homer was off Kansas City's Jimmy
> > Gobble on June 14.
>
> I think these guys need to work at McDonalds for a year before they
> ever are allowed on a ball field. Then they would know what it's like
> to have a boss and follow instructions.
>
> I feel like I'm in an endless episoe of "Who's the Boss."
>
> Tom
Tom, I would agree with you, but this is not a regular part of the
job, despite Selig's interference.
We've got a game that counts, but the fans pick their favorite
players, and so on...
This isn't a mandatory game for any of the players. This is the only
instance throughout the season in which I disagree with your
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:04 pm
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On Jul 11, 11:31 am, Lance Freezeland
<freezelandlaw.nos....TakeThisOut@consolidated.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:38:09 -0700, LidsvilleNine
> <LidsvilleN....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> gave us:
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>
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> >Article below. My 3am spewage first: I find it odd that Tony's excuse
<snip-a-lot>
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> "You had to save somebody you could use all over the place and, you
> know, the game was close enough to where if we tied it there in the
> ninth, somebody has to play the 10th," La Russa said. "So, Albert was
> the guy."
>
> =========
>
> Accepting them both at their word, it could be found that TLR spoke
> with Albert before the game, but not during the game. In which case,
> Albert's behaving boorishly.
>
I agree that Albert is not handling this in a good way. Other than
that, no offense meant, seriously, but I detect a possible hint of
professional courtesy here.
Tony's explaination here is no different from that given in the
article I posted. I see no sense in it, really. >> Stay informed about: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jul 11, 3:38 am, LidsvilleNine <LidsvilleN... RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
> Article below. My 3am spewage first: I find it odd that Tony's excuse
> for benching Pujols is "versatility." When is the last time Albert
> played anywhere besides 1b ????
> On the other hand, perhaps Albert should be glad to have been added to
> the roster and asked to fill a spot in the HR derby.
> Still, players have started the ASG based upon previous year's
> performance numerous times. The fact that Fielder is hot
> notwithstanding, Albert deserved a showing in the game. He's not a
> first year popularity winner or a washed up dignitary. Even though
> Albert looks bad for kvetching, I'll take his side on this one.
>
> Pujols Angry After Being Left on Bench
> By JANIE McCAULEY,AP
> Posted: 2007-07-11 01:11:51
> Filed Under: MLB
> SAN FRANCISCO (July 10) - Albert Pujols was angry about being left on
> the All-Star bench and the St. Louis slugger took aim at the National
> League manager - who just happened to be Tony La Russa of his own
> Cardinals.
> "It's the All-Star game. He can do what he wants," Pujols said Tuesday
> night. "He does whatever he wants. If I wasn't expecting to play, I
> wouldn't have come up here."
>
> Pujols, the NL MVP in 2005 and key to the Cardinals' win in the World
> Series last year, said La Russa didn't talk to him the entire game.
>
> Pujols could only watch when Aaron Rowand flied out with the bases
> loaded to end the American League's 5-4 win.
>
> "If he wants to get upset, he can get upset," La Russa said. "Whatever
> he wants to do, he can do. It's America. That wasn't the most
> important thing tonight."
>
> With the 32-man rosters, it's not uncommon for few players to be left
> out. The AL used 27 players, while the NL used 28.
>
> Pujols and Texas shortstop Michael Young - last year's All-Star game
> MVP - were the only position players who didn't get into the game.
> Ever since the 2002 event ended in an extra-innings tie, managers have
> tended to hold a hitter back just in case.
>
> La Russa said he indeed was saving his star player in case the game
> went long.
>
> "Once we lost (Miguel) Cabrera and (Freddy) Sanchez, he was the guy we
> were going to use to protect ourselves in case we kept playing because
> of Albert's versatility," La Russa said. "I think we had the right guy
> at bat."
>
> A six-time All-Star, Pujols finished about 770,000 votes behind
> starting first baseman Prince Fielder. He played left field regularly
> in 2002 and '03 and also saw time at third base in 2001 and '02.
>
> Pujols said he was getting his body loose the whole night.
>
> "I was ready to go since the game started," Pujols said.
>
> Pujols is mired in a career-worst home run slump - 22 games and a
> career-worst 74 at-bats. He is tied with Chris Duncan for the team
> lead with 16 homers and his last homer was off Kansas City's Jimmy
> Gobble on June 14.
I think these guys need to work at McDonalds for a year before they
ever are allowed on a ball field. Then they would know what it's like
to have a boss and follow instructions.
I feel like I'm in an endless episoe of "Who's the Boss."
Tom >> Stay informed about: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:55 pm
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This is an absurd discussion. Tony was wrong by any measure. You
don't play for extra-innings, you play for the win. Having Albert bat
would have been the best opportunity for the National League to win
the game.
Did anyone really think Rowand was going to save the game for the NL? >> Stay informed about: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:14 pm
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On Jul 11, 2:38 am, LidsvilleNine <LidsvilleN....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Article below. My 3am spewage first: I find it odd that Tony's excuse
> for benching Pujols is "versatility." When is the last time Albert
> played anywhere besides 1b ????
> On the other hand, perhaps Albert should be glad to have been added to
> the roster and asked to fill a spot in the HR derby.
> Still, players have started the ASG based upon previous year's
> performance numerous times. The fact that Fielder is hot
> notwithstanding, Albert deserved a showing in the game. He's not a
> first year popularity winner or a washed up dignitary. Even though
> Albert looks bad for kvetching, I'll take his side on this one.
>
> Pujols Angry After Being Left on Bench
> By JANIE McCAULEY,AP
> Posted: 2007-07-11 01:11:51
> Filed Under: MLB
> SAN FRANCISCO (July 10) - Albert Pujols was angry about being left on
> the All-Star bench and the St. Louis slugger took aim at the National
> League manager - who just happened to be Tony La Russa of his own
> Cardinals.
> "It's the All-Star game. He can do what he wants," Pujols said Tuesday
> night. "He does whatever he wants. If I wasn't expecting to play, I
> wouldn't have come up here."
>
Did Tony think that Albert was going to draw a walk to send the game
into extra innings? Baseball isn't my area of expertise.
--Bryan >> Stay informed about: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:24 pm
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"Lance Freezeland" <freezelandlaw.nospam.RemoveThis@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:45:16 -0400, "RJA" <rja.RemoveThis@nospam.cinci.rr.com>
> gave us:
>>"LidsvilleNine" <LidsvilleNine.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:1184188368.988223.73290@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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>>>> I have to agree; Albert's acting like a child.
>
>>Not a surprise after he whined last year that he didn't win the MVP over
>>the
>>great year that Ryan Howard had. He didn't want the perception that
>>someone
>>was better than him,
>
> Well, the thing is that Pujols was better than Howard last year.
Doesn't matter. Howard had a great season and he was voted MVP. When you
whine about it, you appear classless.
>>and he was probably feeling the same way when the fans
>>voted Fielder as the starter in the ASG. LaRussa's decision just broke
>>the
>>camels back.
>
>>I do find it odd that - as his manager - that he didn't get him into the
>>game. Makes me wonder if there was some sort of previous issue or tension
>>between these two and whether LaRussa was proving a point (like he did by
>>not selecting Aaron Harang after complaining about that up and in pitch).
>
> The problem is that while Harang has piled up 9 wins, he hasn't been
> even one of the best ten pitchers in the league. His ERA+ of 125
> places him about 15th or so in the National League. Who are you going
> to leave off to put him on the team?
Yeah, and I'm sure ERA+ was LaRussa's reason. >> Stay informed about: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:52 pm
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On Jul 11, 4:23 pm, Lance Freezeland
<freezelandlaw.nos....TakeThisOut@consolidated.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:11:51 -0700, LidsvilleNine
> <LidsvilleN....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> gave us:
>
>
>
> >On Jul 11, 3:20 pm, Lance Freezeland
> ><freezelandlaw.nos....TakeThisOut@consolidated.net> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:04:05 -0700, LidsvilleNine
> >> <LidsvilleN....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> gave us:
> >> >I agree that Albert is not handling this in a good way. Other than
> >> >that, no offense meant, seriously, but I detect a possible hint of
> >> >professional courtesy here.
> >> >Tony's explaination here is no different from that given in the
> >> >article I posted. I see no sense in it, really.
> >> The explanation remains the same, to be sure, but what's included in
> >> the second article is LaRussa's statement that he had spoken to Albert
> >> about this before the game.
> >lol
> >Lance, I'm going to show up at your office tomorrow afternoon when you
> >are having a conference and squirt you with silly string. Now, I've
> >warned you ahead of time.
> >Does that make what I'm about to do any better? Change your reaction
> >much when it happens?
>
> Compare
>
> "Pujols, the NL MVP in 2005 and key to the Cardinals' win in the World
> Series last year, said La Russa didn't talk to him the entire game."
>
> with
>
> "He said he explained to Pujols before the game that under the
> circumstances - Miguel Cabrera was unable to play the field because of
> a shoulder injury, Freddy Sanchez therefore had to be the backup third
> baseman and not the guy left out, and J.J. Hardy was a players' pick -
> that left Pujols."
>
> That's where the controversy is IMO.
>
You're missing your semantics. It appears that Tony told Albert this
before the game, then acted as if he didn't know Albert throughout the
game. Snubbed him, so to speak. Where's the controversy in that? A
perceived snub and a reaction. >> Stay informed about: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:55 pm
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Here was the quote from LaRussa...
"Was I going to pinch-hit him for Rowand? Rowand is a good choice," La Russa
said. "He gave us a great at-bat. It's not that tough. And if [Pujols]
doesn't understand, I'm disappointed. But I'm more disappointed we lost.
He'll figure it out sooner or later."
Really?!!! Albert will figure it out sooner or later? Tony doesn't think
Albert knows baseball? Tony doesn't think it would be better to tie or win
the game than to let penquin immitator of Ron Cey make a second failed
attempt at hitting? Wow! You are STUCK in a dumbass TV series. This
is...er...um...should have been Baseball...not a TV series.
Albert...You still Da MAN!!!! >> Stay informed about: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:59 pm
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"Lance Freezeland" <freezelandlaw.nospam.TakeThisOut@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:24:32 -0400, "RJA" <rja.TakeThisOut@nospam.cinci.rr.com>
> gave us:
>>"Lance Freezeland" <freezelandlaw.nospam.TakeThisOut@consolidated.net> wrote in
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>>> The problem is that while Harang has piled up 9 wins, he hasn't been
>>> even one of the best ten pitchers in the league. His ERA+ of 125
>>> places him about 15th or so in the National League. Who are you going
>>> to leave off to put him on the team?
>
>>Yeah, and I'm sure ERA+ was LaRussa's reason.
>
> Well, he's not in the top ten in raw ERA either. I was attempting to
> give Harang the most favorable argument, Rich, by taking into account
> the bandbox that he plays half his games in. Are you suggesting that
> managers don't make rough park effect adjustments in their head all
> the time?
I'm not sure what LaRussa's philosophy is. Does he look at ERA, wins, whip,
era+? But he had some strong words after Harang came up and in and he seems
like a man of principle in the Pujols case as well. Do I think he mentally
adjusts Harang's stats for the ballpark he plays in? Apparently not. >> Stay informed about: Now PUJOLS is hacked off at LaRussa. |
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