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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:39 pm
Post subject: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Ricciardi
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Defensively Hudson is a gold-glove second baseman whereas
Glaus is just an average fielding third baseman who almost always
seems to be injured.
The Jays traded for Glaus for his offensive power. But look at the
statistics.
Orlando is currently batting .294 with 60 hits to Glaus' .278 with only 30
hits.
Glaus has fewer at bats of course, but Ricciardi was aware of his proneness
to
injury and were the Diamondbacks when they jumped at the trade.
This year Hudson has scored 30 runs to Glaus' 22; Hudson has 33 rbi (which
is greater than
that of any Blue Jay batter) to Glaus' 24. Hudson 11 doubles, Glaus 5.
Hudson has
4 triples, Glaus 0. Hudson has 2 stolen bases (not many), but Glaus has 0.
So who is the better ballplayer by far? It is Orlando Hudson. That is a no
brainer.
This trade must go down as the second worst in Blue Jay history, second only
to the trade of all-star Michael Young to Texas for a journeyman pitcher
whose name
escapes my memory. Incidentally, the Texas management regards the trade for
Young
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:39 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:46 pm
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It's just that what they do know is
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> <remailer.RemoveThis@cyberpunk.com> wrote in message news:1TC7i.9697> So who is the
> better ballplayer by far? It is Orlando Hudson. That is a no
>> brainer.
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> I think you mean so far this year right? Considering Glaus has 50% less
> (sic) at bats.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:46 pm
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> It's just that what they do know is
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>> <remailer.TakeThisOut@cyberpunk.com> wrote in message news:1TC7i.9697> So who is the
>> better ballplayer by far? It is Orlando Hudson. That is a no
>>> brainer.
>>
>> I think you mean so far this year right? Considering Glaus has 50% less
>> (sic) at bats.
> Fewer at bats. Watch your grammar.
Idiomatic usage -thus proper grammar >> Stay informed about: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Riccia.. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:08 am
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"Clay Northwood" <Northwood.DeleteThis@Northwood.com> wrote in message
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> It's not that all "liberals" are ignorant.
> It's just that what they do know is
> wrong".---Ronald Reagan
> "David Smith" <foo@localhost> wrote in message
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>> <remailer.DeleteThis@cyberpunk.com> wrote in message news:1TC7i.9697> So who is the
>> better ballplayer by far? It is Orlando Hudson. That is a no
>>> brainer.
>>
>> I think you mean so far this year right? Considering Glaus has 50% less
>> (sic) at bats.
sic -definition -Thus; so. Used in written texts to indicate that a
surprising or paradoxical word, phrase, or fact is not a mistake and is to
be read as it stands.
The American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language,
> Fewer at bats. Watch your grammar.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Ricciardi [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Jun 1, 7:18 pm, mghem....DeleteThis@eceunix.uwaterloo.ca (MH) wrote:
> In article <1TC7i.9697$z52.3...@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
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> <remai....DeleteThis@cyberpunk.com> wrote:
> >Defensively Hudson is a gold-glove second baseman whereas
> >Glaus is just an average fielding third baseman who almost always
> >seems to be injured.
>
> >The Jays traded for Glaus for his offensive power. But look at the
> >statistics. Orlando is currently batting .294 with 60 hits to Glaus' .278
> >with only 30 hits. Glaus has fewer at bats of course, but Ricciardi was
> >aware of his proneness to injury and were the Diamondbacks when they jumped
> >at the trade.
>
> How about looking at the WHOLE stats:
> AVG/OBP/SLG
> Hudson currently is 294/369/475 - ALL career highs for him. So, either, he's
> FINALLY getting to be a really good player, or he's off to a good start and
> will tail off again. His career numbers are 276/338/432.
>
> Glaus: 270/383/532. Above career average. BUT, NOT career highs. In other
> words - a good, but not amazing, Glaus season. AND he's 100 points of SLG
> higher than Hudson. And a better OBP.
>
> Not to mention, the all-star in the making Aaron Hill at 2b - where would
> Hudson play? Meanwhile, we'd have Shea "sinking ship" Hillenbrand playing
> 3rd, who is hitting attrociously this year..
>
> MH
You rely only on stats that favour Hudson. I'd like to see his GIDPs,
men left on base, etc.
Hudson was a rally killer when he was here.
For GMs, it's about filling holes with particular players. You've got
Hill coming in, you can move Hudson out. And you get Troy Glaus in
return??? That is no a bad deal, that is a no-brainer, especially on
a team still lacking the home run threat with the departure of
Delgado.
Glaus' presence in the lineup is scary enough that it affects the
pitches the guy in front of him gets, for one thing. Vernon Wells was
probably the happiest guy in the lineup when Hudson left. >> Stay informed about: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Riccia.. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Ricciardi [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <1TC7i.9697$z52.3176@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
<remailer.RemoveThis@cyberpunk.com> wrote:
>Defensively Hudson is a gold-glove second baseman whereas
>Glaus is just an average fielding third baseman who almost always
>seems to be injured.
>
>The Jays traded for Glaus for his offensive power. But look at the
>statistics. Orlando is currently batting .294 with 60 hits to Glaus' .278
>with only 30 hits. Glaus has fewer at bats of course, but Ricciardi was
>aware of his proneness to injury and were the Diamondbacks when they jumped
>at the trade.
How about looking at the WHOLE stats:
AVG/OBP/SLG
Hudson currently is 294/369/475 - ALL career highs for him. So, either, he's
FINALLY getting to be a really good player, or he's off to a good start and
will tail off again. His career numbers are 276/338/432.
Glaus: 270/383/532. Above career average. BUT, NOT career highs. In other
words - a good, but not amazing, Glaus season. AND he's 100 points of SLG
higher than Hudson. And a better OBP.
Not to mention, the all-star in the making Aaron Hill at 2b - where would
Hudson play? Meanwhile, we'd have Shea "sinking ship" Hillenbrand playing
3rd, who is hitting attrociously this year..
MH >> Stay informed about: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Riccia.. |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:44 am
Post subject: Re: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Ricciardi [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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MH <mghembru.RemoveThis@eceunix.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> How about looking at the WHOLE stats: AVG/OBP/SLG Hudson currently
> is 294/369/475 - ALL career highs for him. So, either, he's
> FINALLY getting to be a really good player, or he's off to a good
> start and will tail off again. His career numbers are 276/338/432.
> Glaus: 270/383/532. Above career average. BUT, NOT career highs.
> In other words - a good, but not amazing, Glaus season. AND he's
> 100 points of SLG higher than Hudson. And a better OBP.
All that AVG/OBP/SA measure is potential. If you want to measure
the players' real contributions you just look at how many runs in
which they participated.
> Not to mention, the all-star in the making Aaron Hill at 2b -
> where would Hudson play? Meanwhile, we'd have Shea "sinking ship"
> Hillenbrand playing 3rd, who is hitting attrociously this year..
He'd play ss, because they have a huge hole there as well. And if
they had kept Young, he could have played 3rd. Then they could move
Glaus to first because they have a big hole there as well. Sounds
like a good infield, doesn't it?
cordially, as always,
rm >> Stay informed about: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Riccia.. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:21 am
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In article <Js78i.184981$oS7.95859@fe04.news.easynews.com>,
<rm DeleteThis @biteme.org> wrote:
>MH <mghembru DeleteThis @eceunix.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
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>> How about looking at the WHOLE stats: AVG/OBP/SLG Hudson currently
>> is 294/369/475 - ALL career highs for him. So, either, he's
>> FINALLY getting to be a really good player, or he's off to a good
>> start and will tail off again. His career numbers are 276/338/432.
>
>> Glaus: 270/383/532. Above career average. BUT, NOT career highs.
>> In other words - a good, but not amazing, Glaus season. AND he's
>> 100 points of SLG higher than Hudson. And a better OBP.
>
>All that AVG/OBP/SA measure is potential. If you want to measure
>the players' real contributions you just look at how many runs in
>which they participated.
How about "win shares" instead?
MH >> Stay informed about: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Riccia.. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:36 am
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MH <mghembru DeleteThis @eceunix.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> <rm DeleteThis @biteme.org> wrote:
>>MH <mghembru DeleteThis @eceunix.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>> How about looking at the WHOLE stats: AVG/OBP/SLG Hudson
>>> currently is 294/369/475 - ALL career highs for him. So, either,
>>> he's FINALLY getting to be a really good player, or he's off to
>>> a good start and will tail off again. His career numbers are
>>> 276/338/432.
>>> Glaus: 270/383/532. Above career average. BUT, NOT career highs.
>>> In other words - a good, but not amazing, Glaus season. AND he's
>>> 100 points of SLG higher than Hudson. And a better OBP.
>
>>All that AVG/OBP/SA measure is potential. If you want to measure
>>the players' real contributions you just look at how many runs in
>>which they participated.
> How about "win shares" instead?
All players share equally in wins and losses. That's part of what
being a team is all about. But if you want to celebrate the players
that participated in the most scoring simply add runs+rbi-hr to get
runs participated in (rpi). Note that these players are not to be
regarded as the "best", only as those who have garnered the most
applause.
There is no place for calculating the efficiency of individuals in
team sport. There is no difference in a stat fan and the efficiency
expert who comes into your workplace to decide who should be laid
off. Why anyone would want such a job is beyond us, but the alleged
joy found by philistines in counting stats probably has something to
do with it.
cordially, as always,
rm >> Stay informed about: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Riccia.. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:30 am
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On Jun 1, 7:18 pm, mghem....DeleteThis@eceunix.uwaterloo.ca (MH) wrote:
> In article <1TC7i.9697$z52.3...@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
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> <remai....DeleteThis@cyberpunk.com> wrote:
> >Defensively Hudson is a gold-glove second baseman whereas
> >Glaus is just an average fielding third baseman who almost always
> >seems to be injured.
>
> >The Jays traded for Glaus for his offensive power. But look at the
> >statistics. Orlando is currently batting .294 with 60 hits to Glaus' .278
> >with only 30 hits. Glaus has fewer at bats of course, but Ricciardi was
> >aware of his proneness to injury and were the Diamondbacks when they jumped
> >at the trade.
>
> How about looking at the WHOLE stats:
> AVG/OBP/SLG
> Hudson currently is 294/369/475 - ALL career highs for him. So, either, he's
> FINALLY getting to be a really good player, or he's off to a good start and
> will tail off again. His career numbers are 276/338/432.
>
> Glaus: 270/383/532. Above career average. BUT, NOT career highs. In other
> words - a good, but not amazing, Glaus season. AND he's 100 points of SLG
> higher than Hudson. And a better OBP.
>
> Not to mention, the all-star in the making Aaron Hill at 2b - where would
> Hudson play? Meanwhile, we'd have Shea "sinking ship" Hillenbrand playing
> 3rd, who is hitting attrociously this year..
>
> MH
Glaus has fewer at-bats and missed more games than Hudson through
injuries, but that is part of the equation.
As for Aaron Hill's role if the trade had not been made, he would be
playing third base, where defensively he would
be as good or better than Glaus. And Hill's offensive numbers are
better than those of Glaus so far this year. >> Stay informed about: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Riccia.. |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:36 pm
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Clint Hunter <ciceroii.DeleteThis@rogers.com> wrote:
> Glaus has fewer at-bats and missed more games than Hudson through
> injuries, but that is part of the equation.
Perhaps, at the end of the season, you can look back and say that
injuries are "part of the equation." But during the season, when
the who and when of the injuries are not known, you have to assume
that all your players will finish the schedule without injury.
Assuming that Hill and Glaus both finish the season without further
mishap, Glaus will participate in far more scoring than Hill.
> As for Aaron Hill's role if the trade had not been made, he would
> be playing third base, where defensively he would be as good or
> better than Glaus. And Hill's offensive numbers are better than
> those of Glaus so far this year.
Defensively, Hill is better, certainly. But Glaus is far superior
offensively.
cordially, as always,
rm >> Stay informed about: Orlando Hudson Trade For Troy Glaus Big Mistake For Riccia.. |
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