Newbie Questions from England

On 9/25/03 2:54 PM, in article cgh6nv8qkt9b6tul788koo2hfi103vrt2l.DeleteThis@4ax.com,
"Craig Richardson" <crichard-tacoma.DeleteThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:49:53 -0500, James Withrow
> <withrow.DeleteThis@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 9/24/03 1:18 AM, in article i9d2nvo3g000ben7qgj1uq8s10mn3739b9.DeleteThis@4ax.com,
>> "Craig Richardson" <crichard-tacoma.DeleteThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>>> Heh. INTP, Paul, Blue. You're both heretics... FWIW, I nearly broke
>>> the quiz - if memory serves me right, only one answer out of all
>>> didn't point straight at INTP. Same as my next-office buddy in grad
>>> school - the girl administering the test couldn't believe it at first.
>>> Not just one, but two of her limited sample were practically
>>> archetypes...
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Neither you nor your next-office buddy have ever kissed a
>> girl, have you? Or a boy.
>
> Very funny.

Well, it just goes to figure that an Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking,
Perceiver is just never going to get around to making the first move. It
would have been more funny if I'd suggested that the two of you have kissed
fewer girls than I have.

> Just retook it, and while I'm still INTP, both the I and
> P are now below 50, and could be lower, since most of the marginals
> seemed to be targeting N or P.
>
>> INTP, Paul, Blue is Dodgers all the way. Probably save you a lot of time
>> because you'll only have to watch innings 3-7 of baseball games.
>
> Considering that (reversing the trans-Atlantic direction) my favorite
> EPL team was Martin O'Neill's Leicester City, maybe I should
> re-consider Paul, especially since I was never really pro-Paul as much
> as anti-John...

Oh, you're anti-John, not pro-Paul. That's different. Try the Royals. The
Twins might work, too.

Why are you anti-John?

Withrow
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:48:56 -0500, James Withrow
<withrow.TakeThisOut@uchicago.edu> wrote:

>On 9/25/03 2:54 PM, in article cgh6nv8qkt9b6tul788koo2hfi103vrt2l.TakeThisOut@4ax.com,
>"Craig Richardson" <crichard-tacoma.TakeThisOut@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:49:53 -0500, James Withrow
>> <withrow.TakeThisOut@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/24/03 1:18 AM, in article i9d2nvo3g000ben7qgj1uq8s10mn3739b9.TakeThisOut@4ax.com,
>>> "Craig Richardson" <crichard-tacoma.TakeThisOut@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Heh. INTP, Paul, Blue. You're both heretics... FWIW, I nearly broke
>>>> the quiz - if memory serves me right, only one answer out of all
>>>> didn't point straight at INTP. Same as my next-office buddy in grad
>>>> school - the girl administering the test couldn't believe it at first.
>>>> Not just one, but two of her limited sample were practically
>>>> archetypes...
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Neither you nor your next-office buddy have ever kissed a
>>> girl, have you? Or a boy.
>>
>> Very funny.
>
>Well, it just goes to figure that an Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking,
>Perceiver is just never going to get around to making the first move. It
>would have been more funny if I'd suggested that the two of you have kissed
>fewer girls than I have.

Why do you think I prefer aggressive women? INTPs make elaborate
plans, dither about implementing anything, and when they finally get
an opportunity they could drive a truck through, end up making
obscurely technical conversation that seems calculated to drive off
any possible interest, which in fact it probably subconsciously is.

But, as I said below, my "I" is moderating over time - and the
comparison is ... instructive. Important safety tip - never let me
get my hands on a time machine and a 2x4 at the same time...

>> Just retook it, and while I'm still INTP, both the I and
>> P are now below 50, and could be lower, since most of the marginals
>> seemed to be targeting N or P.
>>
>>> INTP, Paul, Blue is Dodgers all the way. Probably save you a lot of time
>>> because you'll only have to watch innings 3-7 of baseball games.
>>
>> Considering that (reversing the trans-Atlantic direction) my favorite
>> EPL team was Martin O'Neill's Leicester City, maybe I should
>> re-consider Paul, especially since I was never really pro-Paul as much
>> as anti-John...
>
>Oh, you're anti-John, not pro-Paul. That's different. Try the Royals. The
>Twins might work, too.
>
>Why are you anti-John?

Probably the dichotomy I percieved between his public image and how
the content of what he was actually saying fit in with my value
system. Probably transference onto him of what I felt for his fans.
Which isn't exactly fair to John, I grant - but life's like that
sometimes.

Plus, I was just the right age that I got to the music first, and the
context only later. By the time I started thinking about actual
issues, it was the 80s, and Lennon wasn't around to change with the
times.

--Craig


--
I start to wish Bob Melvin would walk out to the mound, ask Freddy if he
was injured, and then kick him in the balls so he can call in an
emergency replacement from the bullpen --Derek Zumsteg in BP, 5/13/2003
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On 9/25/03 3:37 PM, in article eaj6nvkr5nuaoedb5jmig8pn6174fvh7p4 RemoveThis @4ax.com,
"igor eduardo küpfer" <strudel RemoveThis @example.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:01:41 -0500, James Withrow <withrow RemoveThis @uchicago.edu> wrote
> in <BB98A5C5.652E%withrow@uchicago.edu>:
>
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come up with your own test and theory then.
>
>
> Okay. The answers to the following four questions will accurately predict your
> political bent -- or at least what your political bent _should_ be -- on a two
> dimensional scale, which can be seen below. Ready?
>
> 1. John or Paul?
> 2. "Born To Run" or "Born In The USA"?
> 3. "Sun City" or "We Are The World"?
> 4. Metallica or Napster?
>
> Scroll down for your real political bent, not merely the one you mouth at the
> coffee shop or in front of the boss.
>

Wow, Eduardo, that was good work. It put me right at Left-Libertarian,
where I've always considered myself. Good luck with your knew career in
psychobabble. You'll probably make loads more money.

Withrow
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:00:59 -0500, James Withrow
<withrow DeleteThis @uchicago.edu> wrote:

>On 9/25/03 3:37 PM, in article eaj6nvkr5nuaoedb5jmig8pn6174fvh7p4 DeleteThis @4ax.com,
>"igor eduardo küpfer" <strudel DeleteThis @example.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:01:41 -0500, James Withrow <withrow DeleteThis @uchicago.edu> wrote
>> in <BB98A5C5.652E%withrow@uchicago.edu>:
>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come up with your own test and theory then.
>>
>>
>> Okay. The answers to the following four questions will accurately predict your
>> political bent -- or at least what your political bent _should_ be -- on a two
>> dimensional scale, which can be seen below. Ready?
>>
>> 1. John or Paul?
>> 2. "Born To Run" or "Born In The USA"?
>> 3. "Sun City" or "We Are The World"?
>> 4. Metallica or Napster?
>>
>> Scroll down for your real political bent, not merely the one you mouth at the
>> coffee shop or in front of the boss.
>>
>Wow, Eduardo, that was good work. It put me right at Left-Libertarian,
>where I've always considered myself. Good luck with your knew career in
>psychobabble. You'll probably make loads more money.

One problem I see is that the instructions need to make clear that you
are rating on philosophical, rather than aesthetic grounds. Since my
first answer to #2 was "both" and #3 "neither", you see the potential
problem...

Correcting for that, it pegs me as a moderate, but slightly right
libertarian, which is what I've considered myself for the past few
years, at least.

--Craig


--
I start to wish Bob Melvin would walk out to the mound, ask Freddy if he
was injured, and then kick him in the balls so he can call in an
emergency replacement from the bullpen --Derek Zumsteg in BP, 5/13/2003
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James Withrow <withrow.TakeThisOut@uchicago.edu> wrote:

>Ay yay yay. It doesn't work that way. The original question was what an
>English baseball newbie should when picking out a team, assuming that s/he
>was relatively free of other biases. You're not free of biases.

Ah, yes, well I realise that But others seemed to be seeing how
their answere fitted their team

>What I can say is that I would point an English newbie to the Giants if s/he
>answered something along these lines:
>
>Obviously, the color orange.

When you asked for favourite colour, I immediately said orange... but
only because I subconciously knew I was in a baseball context

>M-B is less important IMO because the Giants are about to go thru a
>transition phase. The current team revolves around Barry Bonds-- he
>dominates the team's collective personality and I don't have a clear idea
>how that affects the M-B types. Sabean seems like someone who would appeal
>to S-types, though.

FWIW, I found a quick-and-dirty M-B test online on which I tested as
INTJ, but T was at 1% and I and J were between 10 and 15%...


--
James Farrar | londonstatto.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk
"Regardless of what Bud, MLB, the East Coast, or anyone else thinks,
we have the best park, team, organization, and fans in the bigs.
So they can shove it."
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Might as well add mine to the list....

ENTJ, Paul, green...


Your Type is ENTJ
Extroverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
67 44 22 22
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"James Withrow" <withrow RemoveThis @uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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> On 9/25/03 1:07 AM, in article bku075$5sdap$1@ID-90628.news.uni-berlin.de,
> "TrueBlueStef" <True__blue RemoveThis @email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Your Type is
> > ISTJ
> > Introverted Sensing Thinking Judging
> > Strength of the preferences %
> > 56 22 11 22
> >
> >
> > Qualitative analysis of your type formula
> >
> > You are:
> > moderately expressed introvert -very true
> >
> > slightly expressed sensing personality -yes, I buy this
> >
> > slightly expressed thinking personality -yes, I agree
> >
> > slightly expressed judging personality -yes again
> >
> > Overall, I'd say it picked me pretty well.
> >
> > Oh, and my favorite Beatle is Paul, and my favorite color is Blue. Who
> > should I be rooting for? (pay attention to the sig)
> >
>
> Whichever team Todd Zeile is playing for. Or did you get tired of
changing
> teams so often?
>
> ISTJ, Blue, Paul is a good Dodgers combination. Cub works, too. Any team
> but the Royals.
>
> Just kidding. The Royals work out reasonable well, too.
>
> But remember, the original promise here was that I could pick out a team
> based on the M-B type, fave color, and fave Beatle for a BASEBALL NEWBIE
> FROM ENGLAND. My powers of divining teams for people can't possibly
> overcome years of geographical or other diversions from each person's one
> true team. This may work ok if you want a favorite team in the league
your
> current favorite teams isn't in.
>
> Withrow
>


Actually, I have always liked both the Dodgers and Cubs for my favorite
national league teams. (there I go, waffling again)


--
TrueBlueStef
Royals Fan
Omaha Royals Season Ticket Holder
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:00:59 -0500, James Withrow <withrow DeleteThis @uchicago.edu> wrote
in <BB98CFCB.6543%withrow@uchicago.edu>:

>On 9/25/03 3:37 PM, in article eaj6nvkr5nuaoedb5jmig8pn6174fvh7p4 DeleteThis @4ax.com,
>"igor eduardo küpfer" <strudel DeleteThis @example.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:01:41 -0500, James Withrow <withrow DeleteThis @uchicago.edu> wrote
>> in <BB98A5C5.652E%withrow@uchicago.edu>:
>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come up with your own test and theory then.
>>
>>
>> Okay. The answers to the following four questions will accurately predict your
>> political bent -- or at least what your political bent _should_ be -- on a two
>> dimensional scale, which can be seen below. Ready?
>>
>> 1. John or Paul?
>> 2. "Born To Run" or "Born In The USA"?
>> 3. "Sun City" or "We Are The World"?
>> 4. Metallica or Napster?
>>
>> Scroll down for your real political bent, not merely the one you mouth at the
>> coffee shop or in front of the boss.
>>
>
>Wow, Eduardo, that was good work. It put me right at Left-Libertarian,
>where I've always considered myself. Good luck with your knew career in
>psychobabble. You'll probably make loads more money.
>

Well, I was thinking of moving on -- sarcasm doesn't pay as well as it once
did. Beatles-related personality tests seem like the wave of the future
though, hopefully I can get in before the market is flooded.

--

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:25:24 -0700, Craig Richardson
<crichard-tacoma.DeleteThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:48:56 -0500, James Withrow
><withrow.DeleteThis@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>

>>Well, it just goes to figure that an Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking,
>>Perceiver is just never going to get around to making the first move. It
>>would have been more funny if I'd suggested that the two of you have kissed
>>fewer girls than I have.
>
>Why do you think I prefer aggressive women? INTPs make elaborate
>plans, dither about implementing anything, and when they finally get
>an opportunity they could drive a truck through, end up making
>obscurely technical conversation that seems calculated to drive off
>any possible interest, which in fact it probably subconsciously is.

Hey...I resemble that remark.

Tom
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"igor eduardo küpfer" <strudel RemoveThis @example.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:01:41 -0500, James Withrow <withrow RemoveThis @uchicago.edu>
wrote
> in <BB98A5C5.652E%withrow@uchicago.edu>:
>
> >
> >Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come up with your own test and theory then.
>
>
> Okay. The answers to the following four questions will accurately predict
your
> political bent -- or at least what your political bent _should_ be -- on a
two
> dimensional scale, which can be seen below. Ready?
>
> 1. John or Paul?
> 2. "Born To Run" or "Born In The USA"?
> 3. "Sun City" or "We Are The World"?
> 4. Metallica or Napster?

Cool. Puts me libertarian-left, with Gandhi, Mandela, and the Dalai Lama.
I like that company.
Perry
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:08:15 +0000 (UTC), raj.RemoveThis@alumnae.caltech.edu
(Roger Moore) wrote:

>The other important factor is that there may be a substantial skew to the
>overall population of USENET, so that Es are still overrepresented here.
>You'd think that posting on a message board would be an activity that
>would naturally attract introverts. The extroverts are doing things like
>going down to their nearest sports bar to talk about the game or calling
>up the Jim Rome show rather than staying at home typing away on their
>computers.

Not to mention subject matter. It's my impression that Is are
overrepresented in tech careers, science fiction fandom, and armchair
analysis (as contrasted with discussion) of any sort. Given that, and
the relatively low barrier to entry of a message board interface, it
wouldn't be surprising to see Is involved on Usenet way out of
proportion to [our] actual numbers.

As a data point, I've called in to KJR (SEA sports-talk station)
exactly once.

--Craig


--
I start to wish Bob Melvin would walk out to the mound, ask Freddy if he
was injured, and then kick him in the balls so he can call in an
emergency replacement from the bullpen --Derek Zumsteg in BP, 5/13/2003
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raj.DeleteThis@alumnae.caltech.edu (Roger Moore) writes:

[I know you're not supposed to follow up to your own post.]

>The other important factor is that there may be a substantial skew to the
>overall population of USENET, so that Es are still overrepresented here.

This wasn't expressed clearly. What I meant is that despite the
comparatively low number of Es among the posters here, Es may still
represent a higher percentage of posters than lurkers. You only have to
believe that they make up a comparatively small percentage of lurkers for
this to be true.

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I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the
people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations. -- James Madison
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"Roger Moore" <raj RemoveThis @alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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> raj RemoveThis @alumnae.caltech.edu (Roger Moore) writes:
>
> [I know you're not supposed to follow up to your own post.]
>
> >The other important factor is that there may be a substantial skew to the
> >overall population of USENET, so that Es are still overrepresented here.
>
> This wasn't expressed clearly. What I meant is that despite the
> comparatively low number of Es among the posters here, Es may still
> represent a higher percentage of posters than lurkers. You only have to
> believe that they make up a comparatively small percentage of lurkers for
> this to be true.

Is and Es aren't equally numerous in the general population. IIRC, it's
75-25 Es.
Perry
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