Newbie Questions from England

On 9/23/03 7:33 PM, in article kcp1nv0maqssvdd2qi6ggjfgkufst8g87c.DeleteThis@4ax.com,
"Craig Richardson" <crichard-tacoma.DeleteThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:53:04 -0500, James Withrow
> <withrow.DeleteThis@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 9/23/03 5:49 PM, in article bkqilm$ktq$1@naig.caltech.edu, "Roger Moore"
>> <raj.DeleteThis@alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> INTJ, George, Red
>>>
>> I would have guessed you were ISTJ.
>
> Roger Moore? S? INTJ is the "stathead" archetype. And Roger is
> possibly the archetypical stathead.
>

Calling Roger Moore a stathead sells him short, Craig. Sabermetician works
much better because, while he certainly can talk about stats, he has good
eye for details. Hence, his reputation for accuracy. And he know his
history, too.

I think Roger should just take the test over again because he's claiming to
be a Briggs-Meyers type that he's really not. And remember that he's got to
be honest about himself, too. Sorry, I just can't believe I could be wrong
about something like this.

Withrow
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On 9/23/03 10:08 PM, in article MPG.19dac68ccff93304989ca7.DeleteThis@news.cis.dfn.de,
"Dale Hicks" <dgh1138.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <kcp1nv0maqssvdd2qi6ggjfgkufst8g87c.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, crichard-
> tacoma.DeleteThis@worldnet.att.net says...
>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:53:04 -0500, James Withrow
>> <withrow.DeleteThis@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/23/03 5:49 PM, in article bkqilm$ktq$1@naig.caltech.edu, "Roger Moore"
>>> <raj.DeleteThis@alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> INTJ, George, Red
>>>>
>>> I would have guessed you were ISTJ.
>>
>> Roger Moore? S? INTJ is the "stathead" archetype. And Roger is
>> possibly the archetypical stathead.
>
> Crap. I'm INTJ, and I just want to be a psuedo-stathead. Is that
> possible?
>
> (Lennon and Red for anyone that wants to play the game).

Astros. Ten years ago, I would have said the Cardinals, but you want the
Astros, now.

Withrow
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On 9/23/03 10:26 PM, in article im32nvopvd2ajhgfnrtfcf8sau352hlfuu DeleteThis @4ax.com,
"Ima Pseudonym" <akrasian DeleteThis @nospam.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:31:06 -0400, Julie Carter <jsgoddess DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:49:26 +0000 (UTC), raj DeleteThis @alumnae.caltech.edu
>> (Roger Moore) wrote:
>>
>>> INTJ, George, Red
>>
>> Oh, come on. You really want to be a P. Everybody wants to be a P!
>
> Apparently, there's rather a lot of us. INTP, John, Blue.
>

And a paucity of any kind of Fs.

If you were an FP, FJ or TJ, I'd suggest the White Sox. My thinking is that
White Sox fans are John-people because you'd have to be as tolerant of the
White Sox's unusual personalities as you probably are of John's association
with Yoko. (And I think it would be hard to find a John-fan who's a TJ and
also hates Hillary Clinton.) But, my point is that the White Sox have had
some odd personalities on their team-- Albert Belle for a couple years, Carl
Everett now, Roberto Alomar seems to have an uneven temper.

But a TP with the White Sox-- something about that makes me wonder. You'd
probably be tolerant of the personalities, but I doubt you'd like their
thumping offense. Plus, they've got the Cubs across town and they're a good
TP-blue team. I'm not sure you could ever hate the Cubs enough to be a good
Sox fan.

We might be back to the Mariners with you. Yeah, that's feeling like a good
fit. There's that John-Japanese wife/Mariners-Japanese players connection.
The M's are a team that has quietly moved ahead by getting rid of their
loudest players. Yeah, try the Mariners and let me know if that fits you.

Withrow
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On 9/24/03 1:18 AM, in article i9d2nvo3g000ben7qgj1uq8s10mn3739b9.TakeThisOut@4ax.com,
"Craig Richardson" <crichard-tacoma.TakeThisOut@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:35:33 -0400, Dan Szymborski
> <danREMOVE.TakeThisOut@baseballprimer.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <nieporen-64C034.22101623092003.TakeThisOut@news.fu-berlin.de>,
>> nieporen.TakeThisOut@alumni.princeton.edu says...
>>> In article <bkqilm$ktq$1@naig.caltech.edu>,
>>> raj.TakeThisOut@alumnae.caltech.edu (Roger Moore) wrote:
>>>
>>>> INTJ, George, Red
>>>
>>> INTJ, Paul, Blue. What do I win?
>>
>> Maybe someone will give you that pony you've always seemed to want.
>>
>> INTP, Paul, Brown.
>
> Heh. INTP, Paul, Blue. You're both heretics... FWIW, I nearly broke
> the quiz - if memory serves me right, only one answer out of all
> didn't point straight at INTP. Same as my next-office buddy in grad
> school - the girl administering the test couldn't believe it at first.
> Not just one, but two of her limited sample were practically
> archetypes...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Neither you nor your next-office buddy have ever kissed a
girl, have you? Or a boy.

INTP, Paul, Blue is Dodgers all the way. Probably save you a lot of time
because you'll only have to watch innings 3-7 of baseball games.

Withrow
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On 9/24/03 11:09 AM, in article u8w7k3y88xf.fsf.TakeThisOut@kmz.ibmus2.ibm.com,
"Kristian M Zoerhoff" <zoerhoff.TakeThisOut@btv.ibm.com> wrote:

>>>>>> "James" == James Withrow <withrow.TakeThisOut@uchicago.edu> writes:
>
> James> I agree with Craig on this one. The two other teams that
> James> are close would be the Cubs and Brewers. But, the Cubs are
> James> slightly more of an extroverted team now with Dusty and
> James> Sam-me. The Brewers fit everything else, but the John
> James> Lennon thing just doesn't work. I think you'd have to be a
> James> Ringo fan to follow the Brewers these days.
>
> OK, the M's I can live with[1]. I'm having a very hard time with
> the Cubs[2], but could almost swallow the Brewers; I love Miller
> Park, and the young talent is starting to show some promise.
>
> BTW, what sort of MB personality would you peg for the White Sox?
>

Color doesn't matter for White Sox fans, but FJ is great. Any Beatle is ok,
but John is stretching it a bit.

>
> [1] This keeps me in the AL, so I can keep rooting against the Twins
> and Tigers to piss off an old roommate and my brother-in-law,
> respectively.
> [2] As a White Sox fan I'm tainted beyond help (plus I *hate* Wrigley
> Field, for reasons I won't go into here).

What are you talking about? This is the perfect place to explain why you
hate that urine-soaked, minor league ballpark at Clark & Addison.

As a Cardinal fan, I always get along well with White Sox fans because the
enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Withrow
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In article <BB977AE3.64A1%withrow@uchicago.edu>, withrow.RemoveThis@uchicago.edu
says...
> On 9/23/03 10:08 PM, in article MPG.19dac68ccff93304989ca7.RemoveThis@news.cis.dfn.de,
> "Dale Hicks" <dgh1138.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <kcp1nv0maqssvdd2qi6ggjfgkufst8g87c.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, crichard-
> > tacoma.RemoveThis@worldnet.att.net says...
> >> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:53:04 -0500, James Withrow
> >> <withrow.RemoveThis@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 9/23/03 5:49 PM, in article bkqilm$ktq$1@naig.caltech.edu, "Roger Moore"
> >>> <raj.RemoveThis@alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> INTJ, George, Red
> >>>>
> >>> I would have guessed you were ISTJ.
> >>
> >> Roger Moore? S? INTJ is the "stathead" archetype. And Roger is
> >> possibly the archetypical stathead.
> >
> > Crap. I'm INTJ, and I just want to be a psuedo-stathead. Is that
> > possible?
> >
> > (Lennon and Red for anyone that wants to play the game).
>
> Astros. Ten years ago, I would have said the Cardinals, but you want the
> Astros, now.

Ten years ago (roughly) I rooted for the Cardinals (Willie and Ozzie and
Tommy and the gang), so things seem to work out quite nicely.

Although I'll stick with the Braves, thanks.

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On 24 Sep 2003 00:45:30 GMT, masseyd RemoveThis @valhalla.btv.ibm.com (Douglas T.
(Doug) Massey ) wrote:

>In article <q1i1nv0ja35ieqiflkdhjdum2ka98vqdph RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
> Tom MacIntyre <tom__macintyre RemoveThis @hotmail.com> writes:
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:27:31 -0500, James Withrow
>> <withrow RemoveThis @uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>You could also choose a team based on the franchise's style. I'd have to
>>>know more about your values to recommend one, though. If I knew your
>>>Briggs-Meyer personality type, your favorite Beatle, and what your favorite
>>>color is, then I could go from there.
>>>
>>
>> Based on my own perceptions, and not any test...
>>
>> ESTP (E on the border, the others not), Paul, Red-Blue tie
>
>I'm also ESTP with only E marginal, Paul, but green. Tom, are you
>my long lost brother? My middle name is Thomas, is yours Douglas?

Close, sort of...Daniel. Our last names begin with the same 2 letters
also.

>
>> I already have 3/5 letters from the Expos in ESTP, and red and blue
>> are Expo colours, I have my answer.
>
>Well, James Withrow figured out the Giants for me in a close vote
>over the Dodgers. It sounds like it's the Dodgers for you -- and
>a pitched brotherly rivalry between the two of us!

Aargh!! Blue Monday was the closest I ever came to crying over a
baseball game, and I was in my 20's then.

>
>Doug
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James Withrow <withrow.DeleteThis@uchicago.edu> wrote:

>> Crap. I'm INTJ, and I just want to be a psuedo-stathead. Is that
>> possible?
>>
>> (Lennon and Red for anyone that wants to play the game).

> Astros. Ten years ago, I would have said the Cardinals, but you want the
> Astros, now.

Actually, for some bizarre reason I'm proud to be the same B-M personality
type as Roger Moore and Dale Hicks. I'll have to brag about that in the
next bar.

Okay, now I'm interested. INTJ, John, Green.

Jim
--
"It strikes me that cats are like soft-tipped ammo, they're small
when they enter your life, cause all kinds of havoc while they're
in it, and then leave a gaping hole in your heart when they pass
out of it." -- William Jennings
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In article <h2qcb.37768$A%3.486756@ord-read.news.verio.net>,
jimnospam.RemoveThis@starprobe.net says...
>
> Actually, for some bizarre reason I'm proud to be the same B-M personality
> type as Roger Moore and Dale Hicks.

Maybe that abbreviation's why they went with Myers-Briggs as the ordering.

> I'll have to brag about that in the
> next bar.

Seems like a losing proposition all 'round.

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Craig Richardson <crichard-tacoma.DeleteThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Which at least provides a way of differentiating between Julie and
> myself. I believe that McCartney added at least as much VORP
> post-split as pre-split, but I recognize that this is possibly a
> minority opinion.

Actually, the Lennon/McCartney post-split VORP debate could easily
become a fifth B-M area (ESTPL vs. ESTPM, for example), given the
way it polarizes opinions.

Jim
--
"It strikes me that cats are like soft-tipped ammo, they're small
when they enter your life, cause all kinds of havoc while they're
in it, and then leave a gaping hole in your heart when they pass
out of it." -- William Jennings
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"Douglas T. (Doug) Massey " <masseyd DeleteThis @valhalla.btv.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:bkqpfa$tp8$3@news.btv.ibm.com...
> In article <q1i1nv0ja35ieqiflkdhjdum2ka98vqdph DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> Tom MacIntyre <tom__macintyre DeleteThis @hotmail.com> writes:
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:27:31 -0500, James Withrow
> > <withrow DeleteThis @uchicago.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>You could also choose a team based on the franchise's style. I'd have
to
> >>know more about your values to recommend one, though. If I knew your
> >>Briggs-Meyer personality type, your favorite Beatle, and what your
favorite
> >>color is, then I could go from there.
> >>
> >
> > Based on my own perceptions, and not any test...
> >
> > ESTP (E on the border, the others not), Paul, Red-Blue tie
>
> I'm also ESTP with only E marginal, Paul, but green. Tom, are you
> my long lost brother? My middle name is Thomas, is yours Douglas?
>
> > I already have 3/5 letters from the Expos in ESTP, and red and blue
> > are Expo colours, I have my answer.
>
> Well, James Withrow figured out the Giants for me in a close vote
> over the Dodgers. It sounds like it's the Dodgers for you -- and
> a pitched brotherly rivalry between the two of us!
>
> Doug

Just as long as you don't shoot each other in the parking lot afterward!


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Dale Hicks <dgh1138.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Actually, for some bizarre reason I'm proud to be the same B-M personality
>> type as Roger Moore and Dale Hicks.
>
> Maybe that abbreviation's why they went with Myers-Briggs as the ordering.
>
>> I'll have to brag about that in the
>> next bar.
>
> Seems like a losing proposition all 'round.

Oh, well. I guess if I only go to bars where neither psychological testing
nor you are well known, maybe I can salvage something out of this fiasco.

Jim
--
"It strikes me that cats are like soft-tipped ammo, they're small
when they enter your life, cause all kinds of havoc while they're
in it, and then leave a gaping hole in your heart when they pass
out of it." -- William Jennings
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James Withrow <withrow.DeleteThis@uchicago.edu> writes:

>I think Roger should just take the test over again because he's claiming to
>be a Briggs-Meyers type that he's really not. And remember that he's got to
>be honest about himself, too. Sorry, I just can't believe I could be wrong
>about something like this.

Part of this is just the natural problem of categorizing people on one
side of a line or the other. While I'm quite strongly I and T (which I'm
sure will come as no surprise to rsb regulars) my N and J are closer to
the border. Depending on the exact questions on the questionaire (and
exactly how I react on a given occasion) I can wind up on either side of
the S/N and P/J, though with some tendency toward N and J. Looking at
the descriptions of the different groups at Typelogic.com, I also see
more of myself in the INTJ description than in the INTP, ISTJ, or ISTP.
Some of the descriptions, like being very self confident because you have
a very good grasp of what you do and don't know, seem almost eerily
accurate to me.

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I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the
people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations. -- James Madison
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