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VPaterno

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:41 pm
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Today's Daily News had a fascinating 64-page special section on the Yankees'
all-time team for the franchise's centennial. A nine-member panel selected the
team, while the public also had its say -- sometimes they differed. Players
were chosen by position, including all three outfield spots.

The results, with public choices with percentage and runner-up in parentheses,
followed by the News panel's second team:

1B: Lou Gehrig (Gehrig 75%, Don Mattingly 17%, Tino Martinez 5%, Chris
Chambliss 2%, Moose Skowron 1%) Mattingly
2B: Tony Lazzeri (Alfonso Soriano 28%, Willie Randolph 27%, Lazzeri 18%, Bobby
Richardson 17%, Billy Martin 7%) Joe Gordon
SS: Phil Rizzuto (Derek Jeter 59%, Rizzuto 32%, Bucky Dent 4%, Tony Kubek 3%,
Frank Crosetti 2%) Jeter
3B: Graig Nettles (Nettles 67%, Clete Boyer 17%, Gil McDougald 8%, Red Rolfe
5%, Mike Pagliarulo 3%) Rolfe
RF: Babe Ruth (Ruth 74%, Paul O'Neill 11%, Reggie Jackson 7%, Roger Maris 6%,
Hank Bauer 1%) Jackson
CF: Joe DiMaggio (DiMaggio 46%, Mickey Mantle 45%, Bernie Williams 5%, Mickey
Rivers 2%, Bobby Murcer 1%) Mantle
LF: Dave Winfield (Winfield 47%, Lou Piniella 23%, Charlie Keller 11%, Bob
Meusel 10%, Roy White 9%) Meusel
C: Yogi Berra (Berra 67%, Thurman Munson 23%, Bill Dickey 5%, Jorge Posada 3%,
Elston Howard 2%) Dickey
RHP: Red Ruffing (Roger Clemens 36%, Catfish Hunter 20%, Allie Reynolds 14%,
Mel Stottlemyre 13%, Ruffing 8%) Reynolds
LHP: Whitey Ford (Ford 69%, Ron Guidry 23%, Andy Pettitte 4%, Lefty Gomez 3%,
Eddie Lopat 1%) Gomez
RP: Mariano Rivera (Rivera 63%, Rich Gossage 20%, Sparky Lyle 7%, Dave Righetti
6%, Joe Page 3%) Gossage
MGR: Casey Stengel (Joe Torre 40%, Stengel 32%, Billy Martin 12%, Joe McCarthy
11%, Miller Huggins 3%) McCarthy

Some interesting choices, although I find it hard to believe that nary a
mention was made of Tommy Henrich, who played more than a decade with the
Yankees and was one of their best clutch performers (hence the nickname "Old
Reliable").

Comprising the panel were News cartoonist Bill Gallo, editor-in-chief Edward
Kosner (who apparently has followed the Yankees since 1946), columnist Vic
Ziegel, former Yankees publicist and author Marty Appel, Elias Sports Bureau
president Seymour Siwoff, longtime News baseball writer Bill Madden, former
Yankee beat writer Phil Pepe and YES broadcasters Ken Singleton and Suzyn
Waldman.

There were some other categories as well, including top Yankee rookie seasons.
Those selected were:
1. Joe DiMaggio, 1936 (.323 BA, 29 HR, 125 RBI -- and remember, he missed the
first few weeks of the season)
2. Derek Jeter, 1996 (.314, 10, 7Cool
3. Tom Tresh, 1962 (.286, 20, 93)
4. Tony Lazzeri, 1926 (.275, 18, 114)
5. Russ Ford, 1910 (26-6, 1.65 ERA for Mr. Emery Ball)
6. Thurman Munson, 1970 (.302, 6, 53)
7. Kevin Maas, 1990 (.252, 21, 41)
8. Mel Stottlemyre, 1964 (9-3, 2.06)
9. Gil McDougald, 1951 (.306, 14, 63)
10. Stan Bahnsen, 1968 (17-12, 2.05)

The nine greatest Yankees broadcasters were also named by Bob Raissman:
1. Mel Allen
2. Red Barber
3. Tony Kubek
4. Phil Rizzuto
5. Jim Kaat
6. Bill White
7. Frank Messer
8. Hank Greenwald
9. Jim Woods

V


"There is no such thing as accident. It is Fate--misnamed."
--title card, Erich Von Stroheim's "The Wedding March," 1928

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:31 pm
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vpaterno DeleteThis @aol.com wrote:

: SS: Phil Rizzuto (Derek Jeter 59%, Rizzuto 32%, Bucky Dent 4%, Tony Kubek 3%,
: Frank Crosetti 2%) Jeter

On this selection, the fans did a much better job than the writers. Derek Jeter
is the greatest shortstop in Yankees history, and I don't think it's
particularly close.


Tom Nawrocki

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Mark Hanson

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:59 pm
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"VPaterno" <vpaterno.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> SS: Phil Rizzuto (Derek Jeter 59%, Rizzuto 32%, Bucky Dent 4%, Tony Kubek
3%,
> Frank Crosetti 2%) Jeter

The Daily News thinks Scooter is the greatest SS in Yankee history? Better
than Jeter? I mean, yeah -- Jeter's overrated somewhat, but come on.

Mark
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:13 pm
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"VPaterno" <vpaterno RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Today's Daily News had a fascinating 64-page special section on the
Yankees'
> all-time team for the franchise's centennial. A nine-member panel selected
the
> team, while the public also had its say -- sometimes they differed.
Players
> were chosen by position, including all three outfield spots.
>
> The results, with public choices with percentage and runner-up in
parentheses,
> followed by the News panel's second team:
>
> 1B: Lou Gehrig (Gehrig 75%, Don Mattingly 17%, Tino Martinez 5%, Chris
> Chambliss 2%, Moose Skowron 1%) Mattingly

Gehrig at only 75%? I wouldn't have figured 25% of NY baseball fans were
that ignorant of baseball history, but...


> RF: Babe Ruth (Ruth 74%, Paul O'Neill 11%, Reggie Jackson 7%, Roger Maris
6%,
> Hank Bauer 1%) Jackson

This seems to cinch it up. Probably the same 25% (the other 1% was likely
Mattingly, who still thinks Ruth was a cartoon character).


> CF: Joe DiMaggio (DiMaggio 46%, Mickey Mantle 45%, Bernie Williams 5%,
Mickey
> Rivers 2%, Bobby Murcer 1%) Mantle

Tough call.


Matt
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 6:36 am
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"VPaterno" <vpaterno DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> LF: Dave Winfield (Winfield 47%, Lou Piniella 23%, Charlie Keller 11%, Bob
> Meusel 10%, Roy White 9%) Meusel

> Some interesting choices, although I find it hard to believe that nary a
> mention was made of Tommy Henrich, who played more than a decade with the
> Yankees and was one of their best clutch performers (hence the nickname
"Old
> Reliable").

For some reason I thought Keller played RF and Henrich LF around DiMaggio.
Did I have these reversed? Keller had some great career stats. They may
have
been inflated by lack of a decline phase (he retired early due to some
hereditary illness) but still impressive.

- Gary Rosen
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Hops

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:32 am
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"Bob-Nob" <rpmachemer.DeleteThis@note.amherst.edu> wrote in message
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> Matt Deres venit, vidit, et dixit:
> > "VPaterno" <vpaterno.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >> 1B: Lou Gehrig (Gehrig 75%, Don Mattingly 17%, Tino Martinez 5%, Chris
> >> Chambliss 2%, Moose Skowron 1%) Mattingly
>
> > Gehrig at only 75%? I wouldn't have figured 25% of NY baseball fans
were
> > that ignorant of baseball history, but...
>
> Hey, Gehrig never won the all-star game homerun-hitting contest. And
> what's Gehrig best known for? Dying?


Did you know that Gehrig actually died of a disease called 'Lou Gehrig's
desease'? Boy, talk about your sad coincidences.
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Gerry Myerson

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:51 am
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In article <20030715154110.25812.00000503.RemoveThis@mb-m17.aol.com>,
vpaterno.RemoveThis@aol.com (VPaterno) wrote:

> Today's Daily News had a fascinating 64-page special section on the
> Yankees' all-time team for the franchise's centennial. A nine-member
> panel selected the team, while the public also had its say --
> sometimes they differed.

Mostly, the panel had a longer memory than the fans.

> The results, with public choices with percentage and runner-up in
> parentheses, followed by the News panel's second team:
>
> 1B: Lou Gehrig (Gehrig 75%, Don Mattingly 17%, Tino Martinez 5%, Chris
> Chambliss 2%, Moose Skowron 1%) Mattingly

What, no votes for Hal Chase?

> 2B: Tony Lazzeri (Alfonso Soriano 28%, Willie Randolph 27%, Lazzeri
> 18%, Bobby Richardson 17%, Billy Martin 7%) Joe Gordon

By career's end, Soriano may be way past Lazzeri. But not yet. Score one
for the panel.

> SS: Phil Rizzuto (Derek Jeter 59%, Rizzuto 32%, Bucky Dent 4%, Tony Kubek 3%,
> Frank Crosetti 2%) Jeter

Here, I'll take the fans over the panel.

> 3B: Graig Nettles (Nettles 67%, Clete Boyer 17%, Gil McDougald 8%, Red Rolfe
> 5%, Mike Pagliarulo 3%) Rolfe
> RF: Babe Ruth (Ruth 74%, Paul O'Neill 11%, Reggie Jackson 7%, Roger Maris 6%,
> Hank Bauer 1%) Jackson
> CF: Joe DiMaggio (DiMaggio 46%, Mickey Mantle 45%, Bernie Williams 5%, Mickey
> Rivers 2%, Bobby Murcer 1%) Mantle

DiMaggio over Mantle? No way.

> LF: Dave Winfield (Winfield 47%, Lou Piniella 23%, Charlie Keller 11%, Bob
> Meusel 10%, Roy White 9%) Meusel

Meusel had 10 seasons on the Yankees; Winfield had 9, and a piece of
a 10th; Keller had 11, but only 6 full-time. Keller was the best hitter
of the three, an OPS+ a bit over 150; Winfield was around 140 in his
Yankee years; Meusel, 120. White looks better than Meusel; the equivalent
of 13 full seasons as a Yankee, at 120. Piniella, I think, doesn't enter
into the discussion; 11 years in pinstripes, but playing time decreased
by seasons like 1982, when he played 102 games but had only 283 plate
appearances; OPS+ about 110. I'd go with Winfield, then probably Keller.

> C: Yogi Berra (Berra 67%, Thurman Munson 23%, Bill Dickey 5%, Jorge
> Posada 3%, Elston Howard 2%) Dickey

Go with the panel.

> RHP: Red Ruffing (Roger Clemens 36%, Catfish Hunter 20%, Allie Reynolds 14%,
> Mel Stottlemyre 13%, Ruffing 8%) Reynolds
> LHP: Whitey Ford (Ford 69%, Ron Guidry 23%, Andy Pettitte 4%, Lefty Gomez 3%,
> Eddie Lopat 1%) Gomez

Interesting that no one from the 1920s qualifies. No votes at all for
Hoyt and/or Pennock?

> RP: Mariano Rivera (Rivera 63%, Rich Gossage 20%, Sparky Lyle 7%,
> Dave Righetti 6%, Joe Page 3%) Gossage
> MGR: Casey Stengel (Joe Torre 40%, Stengel 32%, Billy Martin 12%, Joe
> McCarthy 11%, Miller Huggins 3%) McCarthy

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Gerry Myerson (gerry@maths.mq.edi.ai) (i -> u for email)
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 5:48 pm
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"Gary Rosen" <garymrosen DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "VPaterno" <vpaterno DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030715154110.25812.00000503@mb-m17.aol.com...
>
> > LF: Dave Winfield (Winfield 47%, Lou Piniella 23%, Charlie Keller 11%,
Bob
> > Meusel 10%, Roy White 9%) Meusel
>
> > Some interesting choices, although I find it hard to believe that nary a
> > mention was made of Tommy Henrich, who played more than a decade with
the
> > Yankees and was one of their best clutch performers (hence the nickname
> "Old
> > Reliable").
>
> For some reason I thought Keller played RF and Henrich LF around DiMaggio.
> Did I have these reversed? Keller had some great career stats. They may
> have
> been inflated by lack of a decline phase (he retired early due to some
> hereditary illness) but still impressive.

I just realized: the Yankees have had both King Kong and Godzilla play left
field.

Bring on Mothra!


K.
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