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In article <fkeu735jmjl2g3hmm6359qlaoonsvbqd39.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
Brian Matthews <noonecares.TakeThisOut@ddd.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:20:38 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Monkey" <never.TakeThisOut@spam.net> wrote in message
> >news:never-F1849A.21485124062007@news.northnet.org...
> >>
> >>
> >> Leyland is definitely a players manager.
> >>
> >> Curtis Granderson has been striking out a lot lately --- has a .290
> >> average... bases are loaded and Leyland pitch hits Granderson for
> >> Infante.
> >>
> >> ouch.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I give up. 14 months ago, what did you expect from this team? And STILL you
> >whine and complain about Leyland. Did it ever occur to you that a large part
> >of his succes may be BECAUSE he is a ""player's manager""?!?
>
>
> Not only was it the logical move, it was the obvious move. Infante
> against the RH pitcher and Curtis PH against a RH pitcher. And you get
> the added benefit of having Granderson in the field, which paid off
> when he made a very good catch on a deep drive Infante wouldn't have
> gotten to.
>
> The Nationals won tonight against Cleveland, giving them two wins
> against the Tribe. After the Tigs totally dominated Washington. Maybe
> the Indians saw how easy it was for us and relaxed a bit? That's what
> separates the good teams from the great teams. The great teams beat
> the teams they should. Atlanta has been in a funk for several weeks
> and the Tigers just took advantage of it. If we would have played them
> earlier in the year it may have been different. The Braves started out
> very good.
>
> Brian

might be logical, but Leyland did the same 'logical' move with Craig
Monroe a couple days ago and let C-Mo strike out five times.

I understand giving a struggling hitter some swings, but you have to
think of the team. Granderson could go out in the field at any time, he
didn't have to hit at that point, in fact Leyland could have pinch hit
with another hitter --- I forget if Casey was available or already in
the game...

and that said, I am not sure how logical it is to have a hitter, who has
struck out as much as Granderson (of late), hitting at that point


on the other hand, I admit Leyland has won more major league games in
the last four days than I have in my entire life.

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"Brian Matthews" <noonecares.RemoveThis@ddd.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:20:38 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Monkey" <never.RemoveThis@spam.net> wrote in message
>>news:never-F1849A.21485124062007@news.northnet.org...
>>>
>>>
>>> Leyland is definitely a players manager.
>>>
>>> Curtis Granderson has been striking out a lot lately --- has a .290
>>> average... bases are loaded and Leyland pitch hits Granderson for
>>> Infante.
>>>
>>> ouch.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I give up. 14 months ago, what did you expect from this team? And STILL
>>you
>>whine and complain about Leyland. Did it ever occur to you that a large
>>part
>>of his succes may be BECAUSE he is a ""player's manager""?!?
>
>
> Not only was it the logical move, it was the obvious move. Infante
> against the RH pitcher and Curtis PH against a RH pitcher. And you get
> the added benefit of having Granderson in the field, which paid off
> when he made a very good catch on a deep drive Infante wouldn't have
> gotten to.


MIGHT not have gotten to...



>
> The Nationals won tonight against Cleveland, giving them two wins
> against the Tribe. After the Tigs totally dominated Washington. Maybe
> the Indians saw how easy it was for us and relaxed a bit? That's what
> separates the good teams from the great teams. The great teams beat
> the teams they should. Atlanta has been in a funk for several weeks
> and the Tigers just took advantage of it. If we would have played them
> earlier in the year it may have been different. The Braves started out
> very good.
>
> Brian
>
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"Monkey" <never.DeleteThis@spam.net> wrote in message
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> In article <fkeu735jmjl2g3hmm6359qlaoonsvbqd39.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
> Brian Matthews <noonecares.DeleteThis@ddd.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:20:38 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>> <billkawalec.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Monkey" <never.DeleteThis@spam.net> wrote in message
>> >news:never-F1849A.21485124062007@news.northnet.org...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Leyland is definitely a players manager.
>> >>
>> >> Curtis Granderson has been striking out a lot lately --- has a .290
>> >> average... bases are loaded and Leyland pitch hits Granderson for
>> >> Infante.
>> >>
>> >> ouch.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I give up. 14 months ago, what did you expect from this team? And STILL
>> >you
>> >whine and complain about Leyland. Did it ever occur to you that a large
>> >part
>> >of his succes may be BECAUSE he is a ""player's manager""?!?
>>
>>
>> Not only was it the logical move, it was the obvious move. Infante
>> against the RH pitcher and Curtis PH against a RH pitcher. And you get
>> the added benefit of having Granderson in the field, which paid off
>> when he made a very good catch on a deep drive Infante wouldn't have
>> gotten to.
>>
>> The Nationals won tonight against Cleveland, giving them two wins
>> against the Tribe. After the Tigs totally dominated Washington. Maybe
>> the Indians saw how easy it was for us and relaxed a bit? That's what
>> separates the good teams from the great teams. The great teams beat
>> the teams they should. Atlanta has been in a funk for several weeks
>> and the Tigers just took advantage of it. If we would have played them
>> earlier in the year it may have been different. The Braves started out
>> very good.
>>
>> Brian
>
> might be logical, but Leyland did the same 'logical' move with Craig
> Monroe a couple days ago and let C-Mo strike out five times.
>


Again, I give up, but, before I do, I will try this one more time:
One thing a good manager DOES NOT do is show signs of panic. OBVIOUSLY,
there are benefits of letting the players think you beleive they can do the
job.




> I understand giving a struggling hitter some swings, but you have to
> think of the team. Granderson could go out in the field at any time, he
> didn't have to hit at that point, in fact Leyland could have pinch hit
> with another hitter --- I forget if Casey was available or already in
> the game...
>
> and that said, I am not sure how logical it is to have a hitter, who has
> struck out as much as Granderson (of late), hitting at that point
>
>
> on the other hand, I admit Leyland has won more major league games in
> the last four days than I have in my entire life.
>
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"Brian Matthews" <noonecares.TakeThisOut@ddd.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:54:45 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Again, I give up, but, before I do, I will try this one more time:
>>One thing a good manager DOES NOT do is show signs of panic. OBVIOUSLY,
>>there are benefits of letting the players think you beleive they can do
>>the
>>job.
>
>
> How many times are you going to say you "give up" before you actually
> do? Let some posts go by, ignoring them, and then we'll see. Try
> starting with this one. : ) <----BIG grin!!
>



....and you are????????




> Brian
 >> Stay informed about: Mr. Leyland, come on 

In article <jniu73das5pe6rdmccau562812nt7i3qmn RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
Brian Matthews <noonecares RemoveThis @ddd.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:42:01 -0400, Monkey <never RemoveThis @spam.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <fkeu735jmjl2g3hmm6359qlaoonsvbqd39 RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
> > Brian Matthews <noonecares RemoveThis @ddd.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:20:38 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
> >> <billkawalec RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Monkey" <never RemoveThis @spam.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:never-F1849A.21485124062007@news.northnet.org...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Leyland is definitely a players manager.
> >> >>
> >> >> Curtis Granderson has been striking out a lot lately --- has a .290
> >> >> average... bases are loaded and Leyland pitch hits Granderson for
> >> >> Infante.
> >> >>
> >> >> ouch.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I give up. 14 months ago, what did you expect from this team? And STILL
> >> >you
> >> >whine and complain about Leyland. Did it ever occur to you that a large
> >> >part
> >> >of his succes may be BECAUSE he is a ""player's manager""?!?
> >>
> >>
> >> Not only was it the logical move, it was the obvious move. Infante
> >> against the RH pitcher and Curtis PH against a RH pitcher. And you get
> >> the added benefit of having Granderson in the field, which paid off
> >> when he made a very good catch on a deep drive Infante wouldn't have
> >> gotten to.
> >>
> >> The Nationals won tonight against Cleveland, giving them two wins
> >> against the Tribe. After the Tigs totally dominated Washington. Maybe
> >> the Indians saw how easy it was for us and relaxed a bit? That's what
> >> separates the good teams from the great teams. The great teams beat
> >> the teams they should. Atlanta has been in a funk for several weeks
> >> and the Tigers just took advantage of it. If we would have played them
> >> earlier in the year it may have been different. The Braves started out
> >> very good.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >
> >might be logical, but Leyland did the same 'logical' move with Craig
> >Monroe a couple days ago and let C-Mo strike out five times.
> >
> >I understand giving a struggling hitter some swings, but you have to
> >think of the team. Granderson could go out in the field at any time, he
> >didn't have to hit at that point, in fact Leyland could have pinch hit
> >with another hitter --- I forget if Casey was available or already in
> >the game...
> >
> >and that said, I am not sure how logical it is to have a hitter, who has
> >struck out as much as Granderson (of late), hitting at that point
> >
> >
> >on the other hand, I admit Leyland has won more major league games in
> >the last four days than I have in my entire life.
>
>
>
> Well..we WERE ahead and didn't need runs to tie the game or go ahead.
> Go with the match up, LH hitter against the RH pitcher and improve the
> defense with the lead. Leyland played it perfect.
>
> Brian

I'll give you that...not the perfect part

and we won the game, so that is perfect
baseloaded, Granderson K's not perfect

The perfect part is we had a bullpen that did not give up any runs

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Omar is Mr sub deluxe filling in at 4 posiitions and giving us quality
at bats very valuable . Granderson fields center field like a deer gets
a lot of big hits strikes out a bit too much. Lellands call. Tigers win
7th in a roll!!!!!
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:42:01 -0400, Monkey <never DeleteThis @spam.net> wrote:

>In article <fkeu735jmjl2g3hmm6359qlaoonsvbqd39 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> Brian Matthews <noonecares DeleteThis @ddd.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:20:38 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>> <billkawalec DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Monkey" <never DeleteThis @spam.net> wrote in message
>> >news:never-F1849A.21485124062007@news.northnet.org...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Leyland is definitely a players manager.
>> >>
>> >> Curtis Granderson has been striking out a lot lately --- has a .290
>> >> average... bases are loaded and Leyland pitch hits Granderson for
>> >> Infante.
>> >>
>> >> ouch.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I give up. 14 months ago, what did you expect from this team? And STILL you
>> >whine and complain about Leyland. Did it ever occur to you that a large part
>> >of his succes may be BECAUSE he is a ""player's manager""?!?
>>
>>
>> Not only was it the logical move, it was the obvious move. Infante
>> against the RH pitcher and Curtis PH against a RH pitcher. And you get
>> the added benefit of having Granderson in the field, which paid off
>> when he made a very good catch on a deep drive Infante wouldn't have
>> gotten to.
>>
>> The Nationals won tonight against Cleveland, giving them two wins
>> against the Tribe. After the Tigs totally dominated Washington. Maybe
>> the Indians saw how easy it was for us and relaxed a bit? That's what
>> separates the good teams from the great teams. The great teams beat
>> the teams they should. Atlanta has been in a funk for several weeks
>> and the Tigers just took advantage of it. If we would have played them
>> earlier in the year it may have been different. The Braves started out
>> very good.
>>
>> Brian
>
>might be logical, but Leyland did the same 'logical' move with Craig
>Monroe a couple days ago and let C-Mo strike out five times.
>
>I understand giving a struggling hitter some swings, but you have to
>think of the team. Granderson could go out in the field at any time, he
>didn't have to hit at that point, in fact Leyland could have pinch hit
>with another hitter --- I forget if Casey was available or already in
>the game...
>

Casey was already in the game having pinch-hit for and replaced Marcus
Thames in a similar move. Leyland made the right move pinch hitting
Granderson for Infante. Granderson has 13 triples, Infante none.
Infante has hit into 3 DPs, Granderson none (the bases were loaded at
that time). Granderson has 44 extra base hits, Infante 4 (to be fair
he's had fewer ABs than Granderson, but it still shows you got a
better chance of scoring some runs with Curtis at the plate than
Omar).

That Curtis didn't get a hit belies the fact that the odds favored him
over Infante in that situation. Give the pitcher some credit for
bearing down and doing his job.

>and that said, I am not sure how logical it is to have a hitter, who has
>struck out as much as Granderson (of late), hitting at that point
>
>
>on the other hand, I admit Leyland has won more major league games in
>the last four days than I have in my entire life.

I'd venture to say Leyland has won more MLB games in 1 day than
everyone in this newsgroup put together!

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In article <12088-467FD2A9-586.RemoveThis@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net>,
srudnicki.RemoveThis@webtv.net (Stephen R.) wrote:

> Omar is Mr sub deluxe filling in at 4 posiitions and giving us quality
> at bats very valuable . Granderson fields center field like a deer gets
> a lot of big hits strikes out a bit too much. Lellands call. Tigers win
> 7th in a roll!!!!!


I like Curtis and when he is on, he is amazing, but I think as Maybin
matures, so better Granderson. If not, Granderson would make for good
trading material --- say in 2009.

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"SkippyPB" <swiegand.RemoveThis@nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:42:01 -0400, Monkey <never.RemoveThis@spam.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <fkeu735jmjl2g3hmm6359qlaoonsvbqd39.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
>> Brian Matthews <noonecares.RemoveThis@ddd.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:20:38 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>>> <billkawalec.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"Monkey" <never.RemoveThis@spam.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:never-F1849A.21485124062007@news.northnet.org...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Leyland is definitely a players manager.
>>> >>
>>> >> Curtis Granderson has been striking out a lot lately --- has a .290
>>> >> average... bases are loaded and Leyland pitch hits Granderson for
>>> >> Infante.
>>> >>
>>> >> ouch.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I give up. 14 months ago, what did you expect from this team? And STILL
>>> >you
>>> >whine and complain about Leyland. Did it ever occur to you that a large
>>> >part
>>> >of his succes may be BECAUSE he is a ""player's manager""?!?
>>>
>>>
>>> Not only was it the logical move, it was the obvious move. Infante
>>> against the RH pitcher and Curtis PH against a RH pitcher. And you get
>>> the added benefit of having Granderson in the field, which paid off
>>> when he made a very good catch on a deep drive Infante wouldn't have
>>> gotten to.
>>>
>>> The Nationals won tonight against Cleveland, giving them two wins
>>> against the Tribe. After the Tigs totally dominated Washington. Maybe
>>> the Indians saw how easy it was for us and relaxed a bit? That's what
>>> separates the good teams from the great teams. The great teams beat
>>> the teams they should. Atlanta has been in a funk for several weeks
>>> and the Tigers just took advantage of it. If we would have played them
>>> earlier in the year it may have been different. The Braves started out
>>> very good.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>
>>might be logical, but Leyland did the same 'logical' move with Craig
>>Monroe a couple days ago and let C-Mo strike out five times.
>>
>>I understand giving a struggling hitter some swings, but you have to
>>think of the team. Granderson could go out in the field at any time, he
>>didn't have to hit at that point, in fact Leyland could have pinch hit
>>with another hitter --- I forget if Casey was available or already in
>>the game...
>>
>
> Casey was already in the game having pinch-hit for and replaced Marcus
> Thames in a similar move. Leyland made the right move pinch hitting
> Granderson for Infante. Granderson has 13 triples, Infante none.
> Infante has hit into 3 DPs, Granderson none (the bases were loaded at
> that time). Granderson has 44 extra base hits, Infante 4 (to be fair
> he's had fewer ABs than Granderson, but it still shows you got a
> better chance of scoring some runs with Curtis at the plate than
> Omar).

If JL sends up a PH and the guy strikes out and that's the right move, what
would have been the wrong move? If he hadn't PH and Infante had hit a grand
slam would that have been the wrong move? Granderson would still have 13
triples, right? What a bizarre statistic to focus on. Granderson's the right
guy PH, he has 13 triples. WTF? OI has a higher BA and 50 fewer KOs, but CG
has 13 triples and has hit into three fewer DPs. Ergo, right move.

I don't have a problem with the move, but your trying to prove it was the
right move is dumb. Especially because it failed miserably. If it were a
"right" move it would have worked. Sparky used to do ridiculous things all
the time, forex use Leon Roberts as a PH for, well, anyone; when it worked
it was the right move. If it doesn't, its not.



> That Curtis didn't get a hit belies the fact that the odds favored him
> over Infante in that situation. Give the pitcher some credit for
> bearing down and doing his job.
>
>>and that said, I am not sure how logical it is to have a hitter, who has
>>struck out as much as Granderson (of late), hitting at that point
>>
>>
>>on the other hand, I admit Leyland has won more major league games in
>>the last four days than I have in my entire life.
>
> I'd venture to say Leyland has won more MLB games in 1 day than
> everyone in this newsgroup put together!
>
> Regards,
> ////
> (o o)
> -oOO--(_)--OOo-
>
>
> "Girls shouldn't play with men's balls.
> Their hands are too small."
> -- Iowa State Senator Wally Horn (addressing a
> curious question: what sort of basketball
> should be used by girls in Iowa schools?)
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> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:42:01 -0400, Monkey <never DeleteThis @spam.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <fkeu735jmjl2g3hmm6359qlaoonsvbqd39 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> > Brian Matthews <noonecares DeleteThis @ddd.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:20:38 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
> >> <billkawalec DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Monkey" <never DeleteThis @spam.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:never-F1849A.21485124062007@news.northnet.org...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Leyland is definitely a players manager.
> >> >>
> >> >> Curtis Granderson has been striking out a lot lately --- has a .290
> >> >> average... bases are loaded and Leyland pitch hits Granderson for
> >> >> Infante.
> >> >>
> >> >> ouch.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I give up. 14 months ago, what did you expect from this team? And STILL
> >> >you
> >> >whine and complain about Leyland. Did it ever occur to you that a large
> >> >part
> >> >of his succes may be BECAUSE he is a ""player's manager""?!?
> >>
> >>
> >> Not only was it the logical move, it was the obvious move. Infante
> >> against the RH pitcher and Curtis PH against a RH pitcher. And you get
> >> the added benefit of having Granderson in the field, which paid off
> >> when he made a very good catch on a deep drive Infante wouldn't have
> >> gotten to.
> >>
> >> The Nationals won tonight against Cleveland, giving them two wins
> >> against the Tribe. After the Tigs totally dominated Washington. Maybe
> >> the Indians saw how easy it was for us and relaxed a bit? That's what
> >> separates the good teams from the great teams. The great teams beat
> >> the teams they should. Atlanta has been in a funk for several weeks
> >> and the Tigers just took advantage of it. If we would have played them
> >> earlier in the year it may have been different. The Braves started out
> >> very good.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >
> >might be logical, but Leyland did the same 'logical' move with Craig
> >Monroe a couple days ago and let C-Mo strike out five times.
> >
> >I understand giving a struggling hitter some swings, but you have to
> >think of the team. Granderson could go out in the field at any time, he
> >didn't have to hit at that point, in fact Leyland could have pinch hit
> >with another hitter --- I forget if Casey was available or already in
> >the game...
> >
>
> Casey was already in the game having pinch-hit for and replaced Marcus
> Thames in a similar move. Leyland made the right move pinch hitting
> Granderson for Infante. Granderson has 13 triples, Infante none.
> Infante has hit into 3 DPs, Granderson none (the bases were loaded at
> that time). Granderson has 44 extra base hits, Infante 4 (to be fair
> he's had fewer ABs than Granderson, but it still shows you got a
> better chance of scoring some runs with Curtis at the plate than
> Omar).

with two outs, I wouldn't worry as much about double plays. I would also
look at what Granderson has done in the last few days, which was what he
did in that situation --- strike out
>
> That Curtis didn't get a hit belies the fact that the odds favored him
> over Infante in that situation. Give the pitcher some credit for
> bearing down and doing his job.
>

> >and that said, I am not sure how logical it is to have a hitter, who has
> >struck out as much as Granderson (of late), hitting at that point
> >
> >
> >on the other hand, I admit Leyland has won more major league games in
> >the last four days than I have in my entire life.
>
> I'd venture to say Leyland has won more MLB games in 1 day than
> everyone in this newsgroup put together!

but that isn't why he is a good manager, or why I am not.

>
> Regards,
> ////
> (o o)
> -oOO--(_)--OOo-
>
>
> "Girls shouldn't play with men's balls.
> Their hands are too small."
> -- Iowa State Senator Wally Horn (addressing a
> curious question: what sort of basketball
> should be used by girls in Iowa schools?)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Remove nospam to email me.
>
> Steve

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