Milestones within Bonds' reach

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:41:54 GMT, Evil Bert <bert DeleteThis @bertisevil.tv>
wrote:

>I would happily go to a game with you, Steven. How much is your extra
>ticket going for?

When I go with a friend, they are my guest!

Of course, I've already got takers for the games I'm going to the rest
of the season .

Steven, who therefore can say he has at least two friends, or rather,
one friend and one son
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Steven Rubio wrote:
> When I go with a friend, they are my guest!

That's very generous of you.

> Of course, I've already got takers for the games I'm going to the rest
> of the season .

Okay then Maybe next year.
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Greg Lentz wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:21:55 -0400, Brian Perry <bperry1397.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> noogiedunn.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> I don't think they're blaming it on their best player, but just
>>> admitting that building a team around a single player doesn't work in
>>> baseball. Bonds is no longer productive in LF, and cannot maintain
>>> the number of plate appearances that are necessary to help the Giants
>>> remain competitive. The Giants need to rebuild sooner rather than
>>> later, and holding on to Bonds isn't helping that effort. The Giants
>>> will never win a World Series with Bonds at this point, so what else
>>> can be considered a good reason for keeping him?
>> He's better at whatever price he gets than the other options available?
>> The money they save on Bond's isn't going into a few good players or
>> developing more home grown kids, it going into the pockets of the owners.
>>
>> Don't be looking for lower prices because of the savings either. They
>> already know you'll pay the current rate and so have no incentive to
>> lower it. I suspect it'll even go up 5% or so. Bonds would at least give
>> you something to watch half the time.
>
> They may think that, but with no All Star Game, no HR record chase, and a
> bad team for next year, I bet you see a lot fewer season ticket holders
> next year.

Probably, but I'd be incredibly surprised if they lower prices in any way.
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:05:37 -0400, Brian Perry <bperry1397.RemoveThis@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Greg Lentz wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:21:55 -0400, Brian Perry <bperry1397.RemoveThis@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> noogiedunn.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> I don't think they're blaming it on their best player, but just
>>>> admitting that building a team around a single player doesn't work in
>>>> baseball. Bonds is no longer productive in LF, and cannot maintain
>>>> the number of plate appearances that are necessary to help the Giants
>>>> remain competitive. The Giants need to rebuild sooner rather than
>>>> later, and holding on to Bonds isn't helping that effort. The Giants
>>>> will never win a World Series with Bonds at this point, so what else
>>>> can be considered a good reason for keeping him?
>>> He's better at whatever price he gets than the other options available?
>>> The money they save on Bond's isn't going into a few good players or
>>> developing more home grown kids, it going into the pockets of the owners.
>>>
>>> Don't be looking for lower prices because of the savings either. They
>>> already know you'll pay the current rate and so have no incentive to
>>> lower it. I suspect it'll even go up 5% or so. Bonds would at least give
>>> you something to watch half the time.
>>
>> They may think that, but with no All Star Game, no HR record chase, and a
>> bad team for next year, I bet you see a lot fewer season ticket holders
>> next year.
>
>Probably, but I'd be incredibly surprised if they lower prices in any way.

They won't lower prices until they see a sharp decline in attendance,
which may come next year.
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> Jamal Bernhard wrote:
> I'm not a huge fan of Bringing Bonds back at a large price tag, but
> unless they have already had talks with the Bonds camp and know that
> he won't come back for less than some large amount, I think this move
> by management is irrespnsible. It seems like a psychological
> feel-good move so they can say that the team is "moving forward" by
> dumping Bonds. But Bonds is the least of our issues right now. What
> if he agreed to come back for $3mil next year? Would you still want
> to dump him?

$3,000,000-ish might be reasonable and doable for one mnore year. He
plays basically what a good platoon player plays. If he's holding out
for anywhere near what he's getting this year, I think that's
disproportionate to the amount of time he actually plays and the money
could be spent better elsewhere.
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Brian Perry <bperry1397.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in

> Probably, but I'd be incredibly surprised if they lower prices in any
> way.

My guess is that they won't drop the official price, but there will be all
kinds of 2 for 1 deals and other sale prices available.

JHB
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:16:57 GMT, Jonathan Bernstein
<jhb.RemoveThis@socrates.berkeley.edu> wrote:

>Brian Perry <bperry1397.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in
>
>> Probably, but I'd be incredibly surprised if they lower prices in any
>> way.
>
>My guess is that they won't drop the official price, but there will be all
>kinds of 2 for 1 deals and other sale prices available.

Yes, but the people who up for season tickets won't see any of those
benefits. Those will be for the people who are single ticket purchasers.
And their bottom-line revenue will go down, as it should for a bad team.
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TheDave© <no.TakeThisOut@no.com> wrote in news:OVCJi.83655$Pv4.26362@newsfe19.lga:

> $3,000,000-ish might be reasonable and doable for one mnore year. He
> plays basically what a good platoon player plays. If he's holding out
> for anywhere near what he's getting this year, I think that's
> disproportionate to the amount of time he actually plays and the money
> could be spent better elsewhere.

What you're missing here is that, as Joe Sheehan said today, he's one of
the best players in baseball. Not the very best, anymore, but the best
hitter in the NL with a weak (but not awful) glove in LF, and he doesn't
play quite full time. Thinking of him as a platoon player is right in
terms of playing time, but he's not a "good" platoon player; he's a
great platoon player.

He's probably not worth $20M any more, but if he basically plays like he
did this year he'd be the biggest bargain in baseball at $3M.

JHB

JHB
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Greg Lentz <nodamnspam DeleteThis @speakeasy.net> wrote in
news:5n0ef3h6mtehfioga5tmme7p8qdvelqqsb@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:16:57 GMT, Jonathan Bernstein
> <jhb DeleteThis @socrates.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>>Brian Perry <bperry1397 DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in
>>
>>> Probably, but I'd be incredibly surprised if they lower prices in
>>> any way.
>>
>>My guess is that they won't drop the official price, but there will be
>>all kinds of 2 for 1 deals and other sale prices available.
>
> Yes, but the people who up for season tickets won't see any of those
> benefits. Those will be for the people who are single ticket
> purchasers. And their bottom-line revenue will go down, as it should
> for a bad team.

Agreed, and agreed.

JHB
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:27:31 GMT, Jonathan Bernstein
<jhb DeleteThis @socrates.berkeley.edu> wrote:

>TheDave© <no DeleteThis @no.com> wrote in news:OVCJi.83655$Pv4.26362@newsfe19.lga:
>
>> $3,000,000-ish might be reasonable and doable for one mnore year. He
>> plays basically what a good platoon player plays. If he's holding out
>> for anywhere near what he's getting this year, I think that's
>> disproportionate to the amount of time he actually plays and the money
>> could be spent better elsewhere.
>
>What you're missing here is that, as Joe Sheehan said today, he's one of
>the best players in baseball.

Whatever.
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"Steven Rubio" <srubio.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:41:54 GMT, Evil Bert <bert.TakeThisOut@bertisevil.tv>
> wrote:
>
> >I would happily go to a game with you, Steven. How much is your extra
> >ticket going for?
>
> When I go with a friend, they are my guest!
>
> Of course, I've already got takers for the games I'm going to the rest
> of the season .
>
> Steven, who therefore can say he has at least two friends, or rather,
> one friend and one son

I'd count Gregg as at least one and a half.
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"Greg Lentz" <nodamnspam RemoveThis @speakeasy.net> wrote in message
>
> Like I said, Bonds isn't drawing people to the park to see a bad team
> anymore. They got away with that this year, but that is over now.

Well, the ones who are only interested in watching the record-breaking HR
aren't much of a fan anyway. I think it's nuts to not be interested to go
to the game if it's free. I think Bonds still makes a difference in
attendance after the record, but he's been sitting out a lot more lately,
and is injured now. Even before he got hurt, often times you just don't
know which game he's sitting out (with the exception of day game after night
game), so that would affect a person's decision to go or not.
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Jonathan Bernstein <jhb RemoveThis @socrates.berkeley.edu> wrote in
news:Xns99B4C5F9AD1BBjhbsocratesberkeleye@207.115.33.102:

> He's probably not worth $20M any more, but if he basically plays like he
> did this year he'd be the biggest bargain in baseball at $3M.

What team will he sign to for that amount? Both he and the Giants said
"subject not discussed."

I have a sinking feeling that he won't sign anywhere, and that the Giants
will bring him back for some obscene amount because Sabean thinks he got a
bargain.

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