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Since: Apr 17, 2007 Posts: 216
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:14 pm
Post subject: Midseason Report Card - Position Players Archived from groups: alt>sports>baseball>mn-twins (more info?)
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So I was hoping for a report card in the post someone else made, but
alas, saw no grades. So here is my fly-by-night, probably incomplete
because it's all off of memory midseason report card. Grades are based
on overall performance, as well as performance against expectations.
I'll do pitchers next.
Matt
CATCHERS (overall grade - B+)
Joe Mauer - B+
The defense is good, as always, and he's hitting in the .320s. For
such a demanding position, that's all anyone could ask for. The power
hasn't been there, however, so he doesn't get an A.
Mike Redmond - B-
Only 68 at bats, hitting .279. Quite acceptable for a guy who hardly
ever sees the field. Would be so easy to be rusty, but at almost .
280 ... that'll do.
INFIELDERS (overall grade - B)
Justin Morneau - A-
How can you complain about .324/.387/.515? He's a run-producing
machine and his defense is well above average.
Alexi Casilla - A
With expectations near zero, this is an easy A. He's been a huge lift,
both offensivly and defensivly.
Nick Punto - A-
Just 100 at bats, but you can't argue with the results so far. He's
even hit his home run this year.
Brenden Harris - C-
A dissapointment in the field and at the plate. Coming around a bit of
late, but 255/.311/.362 isn't getting it done
Adam Everett - F
74 at bats. Don't need to see any more. Even the defense isn't all it
was built up to be.
Mike Lamb - F
Hmm, maybe there was a reason Houston didn't want these guys. Lamb's
numbers, to go with his subpar defense: .224/.261/.297. Yuck.
Brian Buscher - A-
Would like to see more than one homer in 72 at bats, but aside from
that, he's been solid since his callup. Doesn't walk much, which means
it should probably be a B or B+, but he's being compared to Lamb,
which makes him look like Mike Schmidt.
Matt Tolbert - C+
Ehh, .265/.306/.337. Like I said, ehh.
OUTFIELDERS (Overall grade - C-)
Delmon Young - C
He's really come around with his average of late, but the power still
is lacking and he's way too free swinging. It would have been a B- if
not for his horrible, often laughable defense. At .287/.333/.390, he's
failed to live up to expectations so far.
Carlos Gomez - C-
As much as I enjoy watching him and appreciate his enthusiasm and
great defense, the numbers at the plate don't lie: .260/.295/.361.
That's not a leadoff hitter. That's barely a #9 hitter.
Michael Cuddyer - D
Defense is good, arm is spectacular. But for the money he's getting, a
D might be generous. I don't want to hear about injuries. If you can't
play, don't. Because when you do play, you're putting up: .
252/.324/.376. Granted, that's better than Gomez, but this is partly
about expectations, and Cuddyer's falling far short.
Jason Kubel - B
Mainly a DH, but plays a fair bit of OF as well. Kubel has exceeded
expectations, especially in the power department. Would like to see
him hit for a better average to go along with the power. But .
267/.328/.471 ain't bad.
Craig Monroe - D+
The power is there, but that's about it. He's supposed to hit lefties,
and he's not doing that. Eight homers in just 145 at bats, but the
rest of the numbers aren't good: .206/.281/.427
Denard Span - A
Probably should be an "incomplete," but that would be cheating. What
he's given, both in the field and at the plate, is quite deserving of
an A. Maybe even the elusive A+, but let's not get carried away. .
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Since: May 18, 2007 Posts: 559
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:21 am
Post subject: Re: Midseason Report Card - Position Players [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Pretty much agree with you all around.
Everett should be traded for a rosin bag, or else cut.
My kids call Lamb "Mike Lame". I suppose he's a bench player, as is
Monroe.
When Cuddyer gets healthy I would send Gomez down to AAA. Send him a
message--work on your plate discipline, learn how to draw walks. No
way do you send Span back down. Or Buscher.
How would you like to be Denard Span? After being told for a couple of
years that you are the heir to Torii Hunter's spot in CF, your
organization trades its best pitcher for 4 guys, one of whom is a 22
year old that takes the CF spot away from you even though he's an
inferior player. You get your shot at the big leagues and you far
exceed expectations, in fact you play like an All Star. Yet there's a
nagging thought in the back of your mind that you will get sent back
to AAA. That's wrong.
I expect that Span's OBA will start to drop and settle in around .380-.
390, but that is still very good. He should be the lead off hitter and
Gomez should be in AAA. As Matt said:
..360/.465/.475. <- nice
Compare to:
..260/.295/.361 <-- puke-worthy Gomez stats >> Stay informed about: Midseason Report Card - Position Players |
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Since: May 18, 2007 Posts: 559
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Midseason Report Card - Position Players [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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> On Jul 12, 1:48 pm, S. Smith <scott.sm... RemoveThis @iphouse.com> wrote:
> I agree overall with Matt's "Report Card" as well, but I think
> Gomez adds enough to the game with his defense and attitude
> that he should be left on the roster.
He's probably marginally better than Span on defense. As to attitude,
tell me again, how many runs can you score with attitude? Lately,
Gomez has been slamming his batting helmet into the dirt after
striking out and generally been sulking about with a grimace on his
face. Given his performance and attitude, I've got to believe that the
other players are wondering why he keeps getting penciled in the
lineup everyday. >> Stay informed about: Midseason Report Card - Position Players |
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Since: Nov 27, 2007 Posts: 660
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:48 pm
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:21:48 -0700 (PDT), powrwrap <powrwrap RemoveThis @aol.com>
wrote:
>Pretty much agree with you all around.
>
>Everett should be traded for a rosin bag, or else cut.
>
>My kids call Lamb "Mike Lame". I suppose he's a bench player, as is
>Monroe.
>
>When Cuddyer gets healthy I would send Gomez down to AAA. Send him a
>message--work on your plate discipline, learn how to draw walks. No
>way do you send Span back down. Or Buscher.
>
>How would you like to be Denard Span? After being told for a couple of
>years that you are the heir to Torii Hunter's spot in CF, your
>organization trades its best pitcher for 4 guys, one of whom is a 22
>year old that takes the CF spot away from you even though he's an
>inferior player. You get your shot at the big leagues and you far
>exceed expectations, in fact you play like an All Star. Yet there's a
>nagging thought in the back of your mind that you will get sent back
>to AAA. That's wrong.
>
>I expect that Span's OBA will start to drop and settle in around .380-.
>390, but that is still very good. He should be the lead off hitter and
>Gomez should be in AAA. As Matt said:
>
>.360/.465/.475. <- nice
>
>Compare to:
>.260/.295/.361 <-- puke-worthy Gomez stats
I agree overall with Matt's "Report Card" as well, but I think
Gomez adds enough to the game with his defense and attitude
that he should be left on the roster. Does he need to improve
his batters eye and patience? Absolutely. Should he be the
twins lead off hitter? Probably not. But I see enough value
there to leave him with a roster spot unless his batting takes
a dive even further south. Then, by all means, send him
down for offensive developmental work, and maybe a little
message to his ego as well.
- Scott Smith: scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com
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Since: Sep 10, 2007 Posts: 295
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Midseason Report Card - Position Players [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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S. Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:21:48 -0700 (PDT), powrwrap <powrwrap DeleteThis @aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty much agree with you all around.
>>
>> Everett should be traded for a rosin bag, or else cut.
>>
>> My kids call Lamb "Mike Lame". I suppose he's a bench player, as is
>> Monroe.
>>
>> When Cuddyer gets healthy I would send Gomez down to AAA. Send him a
>> message--work on your plate discipline, learn how to draw walks. No
>> way do you send Span back down. Or Buscher.
>>
>> How would you like to be Denard Span? After being told for a couple
>> of years that you are the heir to Torii Hunter's spot in CF, your
>> organization trades its best pitcher for 4 guys, one of whom is a 22
>> year old that takes the CF spot away from you even though he's an
>> inferior player. You get your shot at the big leagues and you far
>> exceed expectations, in fact you play like an All Star. Yet there's a
>> nagging thought in the back of your mind that you will get sent back
>> to AAA. That's wrong.
>>
>> I expect that Span's OBA will start to drop and settle in around
>> .380-. 390, but that is still very good. He should be the lead off
>> hitter and Gomez should be in AAA. As Matt said:
>>
>> .360/.465/.475. <- nice
>>
>> Compare to:
>> .260/.295/.361 <-- puke-worthy Gomez stats
>
>
> I agree overall with Matt's "Report Card" as well, but I think
> Gomez adds enough to the game with his defense and attitude
> that he should be left on the roster. Does he need to improve
> his batters eye and patience? Absolutely. Should he be the
> twins lead off hitter? Probably not. But I see enough value
> there to leave him with a roster spot unless his batting takes
> a dive even further south. Then, by all means, send him
> down for offensive developmental work, and maybe a little
> message to his ego as well.
I don't think the Twins can afford to send him anywhere... they need his D
in CF even when Cuddyer gets back. He should be moved to 8th or 9th in the
lineup, should get a few more days off with Span manning CF and Kubel/Monroe
(ulp) handling RF... and then let's just hope he can work his way out of
this mega-slump. He isn't this bad -- really -- but he does need to make
some serious adjustments.
brink >> Stay informed about: Midseason Report Card - Position Players |
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Since: May 18, 2007 Posts: 559
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:23 pm
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> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, "brink" <brinknos... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I don't think the Twins can afford to send him anywhere... they need his D
> in CF even when Cuddyer gets back.
I don't know. I saw him take a horrible angle on a ball today that
gave the batter a double when it should have been a single. I've seen
him make other misplays also. Yes, he occasionally makes a fantastic
grab, but Span has already made as many as Gomez has this season and
in only two weeks. If Span is your everyday CF, Young in LF, and Kubel/
Monroe in RF until Cuddyer gets back the Twins would be in fine shape.
> He isn't this bad -- really -- but he does need to make some serious adjustments.
Sorry, but yes, he is this bad. Maybe not .as bad as he is
now--260/.295/.361 bad, but probably .270/.310/.400 bad.
There is nothing in his past MLB history to suggest that he's ever
going to be a high on-base percentage guy. Nor is there any evidence
that he will hit for a decent average. His career minor league OPS
was .735 (1,291 AB's) So far his MLB OPS is .631 (500 AB's) I figure
he might be able to achieve an OPS of .700 next year (which would be
over 1,000 AB's). That's bad, isn't it?
There is a history of striking out. There is a history of not taking
walks. This is who he is. If he can make the serious adjustments to
become a good hitter it will be a miracle.
He's pulling a Punto, circa 2007 (though his defense isn't as good as
Punto's). Why should you call for Gomez to stay in the lineup when
there is no way Punto deserved it last year? >> Stay informed about: Midseason Report Card - Position Players |
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