Margarino: genius languishing in anonymity

Chris Cathcart wrote:
> This guy's long overdue for some recognition. I just saw his latest
> fountain of wisdom about the uselessness of OPS and was impressed by
> its sheer novelty.
>

He is 100% troll, and I don't know why in the hell a seemingly
intelligent person like you continues to feed him.
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SavoyBG DeleteThis @aol.com trolled:

> Who's Maynard?

Why are most stat fans Jewish?

cordially, as always,

rm
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Tanner wrote:
> Chris Cathcart wrote:
> > This guy's long overdue for some recognition. I just saw his latest
> > fountain of wisdom about the uselessness of OPS and was impressed by
> > its sheer novelty.
> >
>
> He is 100% troll, and I don't know why in the hell a seemingly
> intelligent person like you continues to feed him.

There's occasionally an interesting point in there, if only by
accident. For example, one does have to recognize that individual
statistics are manipulated by circumstance and how players are used.
I'm not talking about park effects and league contexts here, which can
be at least approximated. Rather, I'm talking about things like Casey
Stengel's disproportionate use of his ace pitcher, Whitey Ford, against
the top teams in the league, as well as things like platooning. When
Ralph Houk took over the Yankees, he put Ford (whose previous best
season win total was 19) in a regular rotation, and Whitey went 25-4.
Similarly, a platoon player (or a hitter used extensively in good
matchups like Earl Weaver was fond of doing) will have better
percentage stats than he would in a set lineup. Ergo, even the most
tweaked-out percentage stats may not say a lot about a player's
relative ability.

What really makes this guy aggravating (aside from his really annoying
habit of asking why "stat fans" are Jewish whenever someone with an
Ashkenazic surname mentions a number) is his inconsistency on points.
He claims that "statfans" cannot appreciate the game apart from its
numbers, but what does he cite when talking about a player? Numbers -
the more undigested the better.

It doesn't hurt that this is a quiet newsgroup and as such his voice is
not as easily drowned as it would be in a busier forum.
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Stuthehistoryguy wrote:
> Tanner wrote:
> > Chris Cathcart wrote:
> > > This guy's long overdue for some recognition. I just saw his latest
> > > fountain of wisdom about the uselessness of OPS and was impressed by
> > > its sheer novelty.
> > >
> >
> > He is 100% troll, and I don't know why in the hell a seemingly
> > intelligent person like you continues to feed him.
>
> There's occasionally an interesting point in there, if only by
> accident. For example, one does have to recognize that individual
> statistics are manipulated by circumstance and how players are used.

I once thought that he had an interesting perspective as a contrarian
about the use of stats. That was a long time ago. I later realized
that, while there may be a real point buried under the bile, it is lost
in his being disagreeable for the sake of being disagreeable.

This:

> ...his really annoying
> habit of asking why "stat fans" are Jewish whenever someone with an
> Ashkenazic surname mentions a number...

is but one example.

I would be interested in a reasoned discussion of the role and
limitations of sabrmetrics. Maynard, however, is either unable or
unwilling to hold this discussion. It's a pity, but all he seems to
have is the ability to be provocative, without actually being
interesting.

Richard R. Hershberger
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Realto Margarino wrote:

> Well I am perfectly willing to discuss anything with you. But first
> I must know if you are a lawyer.

We have had exactly this discussion in the past. Google the archives
for it. I have no obligation to discuss my profession with you
repeatedly because you are too stupid to remember it and too lazy to
look it up. Actually, I had no obligation to discuss it with you the
first time, but I'm a gracious guy. Show some appreciation and stop
being so stupid and lazy.
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Richard R. Hershberger <rrhersh DeleteThis @acme.com> trolled:

> I would be interested in a reasoned discussion of the role and
> limitations of sabrmetrics. Maynard, however, is either unable or
> unwilling to hold this discussion. It's a pity, but all he seems to
> have is the ability to be provocative, without actually being
> interesting.

For some reason, I have you confused with the Rosenbluth fellow. I
am not sure why this is. One of you is the lawyer. I believe it is
you. That being said, what kind of "reasoning" do you wish to
employ in your discussion of sabermetrics? Please note the legal
meaning of "fair" that is being used by The Nieporent. It is my
opinion that _all_ legal reasoning comes to well-disguised dead ends
in the search for the truth, or at least some useful knowledge, on
any issue. If you are not the lawyer, then you have my deepest,
sincerest apologies for calling you one.

If you wish to engage in reasoned debate, make your proposition and
I will be more than glad to followup any question asked in good
faith.

But first, could you take a stab at one question that bothers me.

Why is it that so many stat fans are Jewish?

cordially, as always,

rm
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Richard R. Hershberger <rrhersh RemoveThis @acme.com> trolled:

> Realto Margarino wrote:

> > Well I am perfectly willing to discuss anything with you. But first
> > I must know if you are a lawyer.

> We have had exactly this discussion in the past. Google the archives
> for it. I have no obligation to discuss my profession with you
> repeatedly because you are too stupid to remember it and too lazy to
> look it up. Actually, I had no obligation to discuss it with you the
> first time, but I'm a gracious guy. Show some appreciation and stop
> being so stupid and lazy.

Perhaps you could have just said "I am/am not a lawyer." instead of
typing all this silliness. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings for
not remembering you and confusing you with another poster. But I
see no reason to have to search usenet archives when you can simply
answer the question. You are not being reasonable.

And you still haven't given my your opinion as to why so many stat
fans are Jewish. Instead you just type garbage. Why?

When you are ready to be reasonable and answer the questions about
whether you are a lawyer and why so many stat fans are Jews, I will
be happy to enter into discourse.

until then, as always,

rm
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