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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:44 pm
Post subject: MacDougal Sent To White Sox
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:46 am
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> Not a bad trade at all. We take a guy who had been hurt, who hadn't
> really been much help in the last couple seasons, and get at least one
> decent looking prospect out of the deal. Tyler Lumsden looks good on
> paper. Nice record, really good ERA in AA ball. No telling about Dan
> Cortes. Decent but no stellar ERA, poor record. But if either of them
> work out, the trade is a plus for us. I think I just may like this new
> GM.
Glad someone here is seeing the glass half full. I cant say that it makes
any sense to me, trade the only late innings pitcher worth a flip for two
prospects so low on the radar that they dont even show up on top 50 prospect
lists for their old clubs.
Lumsden got his cup of coffee earlier this year...it was a still warm when
he got back to AA his appearance was a whopping 2/3 of an inning where he
gave up seven runs, three earned on five hits and a walk. Cortez is a
complete mystery, 7th round pick last year, decent strikouts with an average
era and not many wins. Was Macdougals contract up this year? Just trying
to make some sense of this. Ah well, just think in a year when they realize
they need a closer they can trade Butler or do something equally stupid to
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:34 pm
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After thinking about it for a day and finding out McDougal was due for
arbitration maybe this wasnt such a bad deal after all..
Todays trade on the other hand was absolutely fantastic...two prospects and
Odalis Perez for Elmer Dessens? Was LA deperate or what? Didnt we get
Elmer from LA last year to begin with? Why didnt they just keep him?
"blueraja" <gamespast RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> Not a bad trade at all. We take a guy who had been hurt, who hadn't
>> really been much help in the last couple seasons, and get at least one
>> decent looking prospect out of the deal. Tyler Lumsden looks good on
>> paper. Nice record, really good ERA in AA ball. No telling about Dan
>> Cortes. Decent but no stellar ERA, poor record. But if either of them
>> work out, the trade is a plus for us. I think I just may like this new
>> GM.
>
> Glad someone here is seeing the glass half full. I cant say that it makes
> any sense to me, trade the only late innings pitcher worth a flip for two
> prospects so low on the radar that they dont even show up on top 50
> prospect lists for their old clubs.
>
> Lumsden got his cup of coffee earlier this year...it was a still warm when
> he got back to AA his appearance was a whopping 2/3 of an inning where he
> gave up seven runs, three earned on five hits and a walk. Cortez is a
> complete mystery, 7th round pick last year, decent strikouts with an
> average era and not many wins. Was Macdougals contract up this year?
> Just trying to make some sense of this. Ah well, just think in a year
> when they realize they need a closer they can trade Butler or do something
> equally stupid to get him back.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:34 pm
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I'm telling ya... it's early yet, but I'm liking what Moore is doing
thus far.
In article <b0xxg.12203$2v.8998@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
gamespast.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net says...
> After thinking about it for a day and finding out McDougal was due for
> arbitration maybe this wasnt such a bad deal after all..
>
> Todays trade on the other hand was absolutely fantastic...two prospects and
> Odalis Perez for Elmer Dessens? Was LA deperate or what? Didnt we get
> Elmer from LA last year to begin with? Why didnt they just keep him?
>
>
> "blueraja" <gamespast.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:ACfxg.179591$F_3.19722@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> >> Not a bad trade at all. We take a guy who had been hurt, who hadn't
> >> really been much help in the last couple seasons, and get at least one
> >> decent looking prospect out of the deal. Tyler Lumsden looks good on
> >> paper. Nice record, really good ERA in AA ball. No telling about Dan
> >> Cortes. Decent but no stellar ERA, poor record. But if either of them
> >> work out, the trade is a plus for us. I think I just may like this new
> >> GM.
> >
> > Glad someone here is seeing the glass half full. I cant say that it makes
> > any sense to me, trade the only late innings pitcher worth a flip for two
> > prospects so low on the radar that they dont even show up on top 50
> > prospect lists for their old clubs.
> >
> > Lumsden got his cup of coffee earlier this year...it was a still warm when
> > he got back to AA his appearance was a whopping 2/3 of an inning where he
> > gave up seven runs, three earned on five hits and a walk. Cortez is a
> > complete mystery, 7th round pick last year, decent strikouts with an
> > average era and not many wins. Was Macdougals contract up this year?
> > Just trying to make some sense of this. Ah well, just think in a year
> > when they realize they need a closer they can trade Butler or do something
> > equally stupid to get him back.
> >
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: MacDougal Sent To White Sox |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:34 pm
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"blueraja" <gamespast DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> After thinking about it for a day and finding out McDougal was due for
> arbitration maybe this wasnt such a bad deal after all..
>
> Todays trade on the other hand was absolutely fantastic...two prospects
> and Odalis Perez for Elmer Dessens? Was LA deperate or what?
you must not read the papers. Odalis pitched poorly and then whined about
being moved to the bullpen. He has an excuse for every bad outing and none
of them have anything to do with him. Still...he can be very good and I
think
a change of scenery and a starting role will turn him around, temporarily.
Just prepare yourself for the case of whine that came with him.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:04 pm
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"AguaGirl" <someone.TakeThisOut@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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> "blueraja" <gamespast.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:b0xxg.12203$2v.8998@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>> After thinking about it for a day and finding out McDougal was due for
>> arbitration maybe this wasnt such a bad deal after all..
>>
>> Todays trade on the other hand was absolutely fantastic...two prospects
>> and Odalis Perez for Elmer Dessens? Was LA deperate or what?
>
> you must not read the papers. Odalis pitched poorly and then whined about
> being moved to the bullpen. He has an excuse for every bad outing and
> none
> of them have anything to do with him. Still...he can be very good and I
> think
> a change of scenery and a starting role will turn him around, temporarily.
> Just prepare yourself for the case of whine that came with him.
>
> AG
Yep, I agree Odalis is a whiny spoiled brat, but im looking at it from the
perspecive of the new GM, Atlanta has had a reputation of turning around
players like that, Sanders and Sheffield are the two that come to mind as
being very similar. Odalis claims he was treated badly in LA and didnt get
any love, but looking at what we have now..if he can pull of 14 or more wins
again, he will have all the love he can stand in this market. LA is a tough
market for attention whores, what is percieved as generally a pain the ass
there can be the hometown hero in a smaller market. Im willing to give him
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:04 pm
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"blueraja" <gamespast.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "AguaGirl" <someone.DeleteThis@somewhere.net> wrote in message
> news:QtCdnWzqE5hyUlvZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>>
>> "blueraja" <gamespast.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:b0xxg.12203$2v.8998@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>> After thinking about it for a day and finding out McDougal was due for
>>> arbitration maybe this wasnt such a bad deal after all..
>>>
>>> Todays trade on the other hand was absolutely fantastic...two prospects
>>> and Odalis Perez for Elmer Dessens? Was LA deperate or what?
>>
>> you must not read the papers. Odalis pitched poorly and then whined
>> about
>> being moved to the bullpen. He has an excuse for every bad outing and
>> none
>> of them have anything to do with him. Still...he can be very good and I
>> think
>> a change of scenery and a starting role will turn him around,
>> temporarily.
>> Just prepare yourself for the case of whine that came with him.
>>
>> AG
>
> Yep, I agree Odalis is a whiny spoiled brat, but im looking at it from the
> perspecive of the new GM, Atlanta has had a reputation of turning around
> players like that, Sanders and Sheffield are the two that come to mind as
> being very similar. Odalis claims he was treated badly in LA and didnt
> get any love, but looking at what we have now..if he can pull of 14 or
> more wins again, he will have all the love he can stand in this market.
> LA is a tough market for attention whores, what is percieved as generally
> a pain the ass there can be the hometown hero in a smaller market. Im
> willing to give him that shot and see what happens.
I completely agree...its very possible that a change of scenery, someone to
"bring back that loving feeling" will turn him around. He can be a very
good
pitcher. I just have issue with players who can't take responsibility for
their
performance. I couldn't be happier to see him go but if I were a fan of
another team I wouldn't be sorry to see him signed. I think this is going
to
be one of those win win trades.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:45 am
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> After thinking about it for a day and finding out McDougal was due for
> arbitration maybe this wasnt such a bad deal after all..
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I don't think he would have won arbitration considering how much of
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