Lugo question...

"Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmucci DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote in message
news:ouydnRbTl5xAHgTbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@rcn.net...
>
> "Fred Burton" <fburton DeleteThis @starfire.mv.com> wrote in message
> news:f7bu3a$20v4$1@pyrite.mv.net...
>>
>> "Bob-Nob" <bobnob15 DeleteThis @SPaMol.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns996DBD5BC7DD5bobnob15aolcom@207.217.125.201...
>> > smacdo venit, vidit, et dixit:
>> >
>> >> Going into tonight's game, Lugo had 23 SB on 62 H and 31 walks. Now,
>> >> if you remove his 5 HR and 1 3B, that is 23 SB on 87 times on base.
>> >> Does that seem inordinately high? Is there a way of finding out who
>> >> had the highest SB/times on base ratio?
>> >
>> > Without looking, among nonstarters, I'd guess that that guy for
>> > the A's (the guy who only ever pinch ran) will have "the record."
>> > Among players who could actually play the game more or less, I'd
>> > guess the answer would be someone like Vince Coleman (or someone
>> > of that ilk -- a player who stole a lot of bases without actually
>> > being any good as a hitter).
>> >
>> > *checks baseball-reference.com*
>> >
>> > Vince Coleman had 107 stolen bases in 1986. He had 139 hits (8 of
>> > which were triples, 0 of which were home runs) and 60 walks. By
>> > your method, that gives him a ratio of 107/191.
>>
>> That's a pretty darned good ratio.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I checked Omar Moreno and some other people on Coleman's comps
>> > list, but didn't find anyone who looked like they'd have a higher
>> > ratio than that.
>> >
>> > But the "record" for nonstarters is very likely to belong to Herb
>> > Washington (the member of the A's whose name I couldn't remember).
>> > He had 29 stolen bases in 1974, despite having 0 hits and 0 walks.
>> > He had 2 more stolen bases in 1975, again without ever reaching
>> > base on hit or walk (or HBP for that matter).
>>
>> I remember him. A "designated pinch runner" seems like a rather
> extravagant
>> use of a roster slot.
>>
>>
>
>
> it worked out ok for the sox in 2004
>
>

Dave Roberts was a complete ballplayer, not a guy whose only job was to
steal bases. And while it turned out that he didn't get in the field much
in the
playoffs, that was as much about him being the 5th outfielder as it was
being
the team's designated basestealer.

And in 2004, Dave Roberts wasn't an extravagant use of a roster slot
*because* he was a 5th outfielder, not just a pinch runner.