Lugo > .200

"niceguy" <niceguy DeleteThis @nospam.net> wrote in message
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>I can understand fans' concern about any player batting .200 or less. But
>I can also appreciate a shortstop with 40 RBIs halfway through a season.
>Remember, Manny, with the three tonight, only has 48.
>

At this point, I think that it's probably counterproductive to worry about
Lugo's overall season stats. If he can put together a 2nd half that is at
his
career standard or better, and make a serious contribution to the team's
offense, there will be plenty of room for forgiveness for this horrible
slump.
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niceguy wrote:
> I can understand fans' concern about any player batting .200 or less. But I
> can also appreciate a shortstop with 40 RBIs halfway through a season.
> Remember, Manny, with the three tonight, only has 48.
>
>

.....except that Lugo had 34 rbi about a month ago.
Half the difference was in the last couple of games I think. I hope he
does turn it around and puts together a nice second half. I want Lugo
to do well as I'm tired of the SS merry-go-round.

Bob K
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"BobK" <BobK.RemoveThis@diespammerdie.net> wrote in message
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> niceguy wrote:
>> I can understand fans' concern about any player batting .200 or less.
>> But I can also appreciate a shortstop with 40 RBIs halfway through a
>> season. Remember, Manny, with the three tonight, only has 48.
>
> ....except that Lugo had 34 rbi about a month ago.
> Half the difference was in the last couple of games I think. I hope he
> does turn it around and puts together a nice second half.

True. Still, if at the start of the season, you'd said that our SS would
contribute 70-80 RBIs, I expect that most of us would have been
happy with that production. If Lugo can return to form, I don't think that
it's unreasonable, given all the men the Sox put on base, for him to end
up in the 70-80 RBI range, which would be pretty impressive given that
he just about took the month of June off with the slump.



> I want Lugo to do well as I'm tired of the SS merry-go-round.
>
I'm absolutely with you on this. I'd be happy to see Lugo return to his
career
standards and stick with him for the rest of his contract.
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Fred Burton wrote:
> "BobK" <BobK.RemoveThis@diespammerdie.net> wrote in message
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>> niceguy wrote:
>>> I can understand fans' concern about any player batting .200 or less.
>>> But I can also appreciate a shortstop with 40 RBIs halfway through a
>>> season. Remember, Manny, with the three tonight, only has 48.
>> ....except that Lugo had 34 rbi about a month ago.
>> Half the difference was in the last couple of games I think. I hope he
>> does turn it around and puts together a nice second half.
>
> True. Still, if at the start of the season, you'd said that our SS would
> contribute 70-80 RBIs, I expect that most of us would have been
> happy with that production. If Lugo can return to form, I don't think that
> it's unreasonable, given all the men the Sox put on base, for him to end
> up in the 70-80 RBI range, which would be pretty impressive given that
> he just about took the month of June off with the slump.

I would rather see his improvement in other areas as RBI don't really
say anything about his productivity. If the players in front of him
are getting on a lot, then he will get a lot of RBIs without necessarily
any productive effort. A lot of different outs can bring someone in
from third.

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"Steve Robbins" <srobbins31 RemoveThis @no_spam_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Fred Burton wrote:
>> "BobK" <BobK RemoveThis @diespammerdie.net> wrote in message
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>>> niceguy wrote:
>>>> I can understand fans' concern about any player batting .200 or less.
>>>> But I can also appreciate a shortstop with 40 RBIs halfway through a
>>>> season. Remember, Manny, with the three tonight, only has 48.
>>> ....except that Lugo had 34 rbi about a month ago.
>>> Half the difference was in the last couple of games I think. I hope he
>>> does turn it around and puts together a nice second half.
>>
>> True. Still, if at the start of the season, you'd said that our SS would
>> contribute 70-80 RBIs, I expect that most of us would have been
>> happy with that production. If Lugo can return to form, I don't think
>> that
>> it's unreasonable, given all the men the Sox put on base, for him to end
>> up in the 70-80 RBI range, which would be pretty impressive given that
>> he just about took the month of June off with the slump.
>
> I would rather see his improvement in other areas as RBI don't really say
> anything about his productivity. If the players in front of him are
> getting on a lot, then he will get a lot of RBIs without necessarily any
> productive effort. A lot of different outs can bring someone in from
> third.

True, but unless you have a desperate need for something more or
there are 2 outs, a productive out (not a DP) that drives in a run is
not all that bad a thing. Frankly, they don't give style points for the
quality of the RBI.

But for the record, I was only talking about RBIs specifically, since that
was the focus of the previous post. I'd be happy to see Lugo return to
his career norms across the board.

Back to RBI's... while I agree that with men on base, he should be able to
produce RBI's, I seem to recall that AGon last year was utterly pathetic
with men on base. So, almost anything would be an improvement in that
regard.
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Fred Burton wrote:
> "Steve Robbins" <srobbins31.RemoveThis@no_spam_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Fred Burton wrote:
>>> "BobK" <BobK.RemoveThis@diespammerdie.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cVIli.1$Px6.0@newsfe12.lga...
>>>> niceguy wrote:
>>>>> I can understand fans' concern about any player batting .200 or less.
>>>>> But I can also appreciate a shortstop with 40 RBIs halfway through a
>>>>> season. Remember, Manny, with the three tonight, only has 48.
>>>> ....except that Lugo had 34 rbi about a month ago.
>>>> Half the difference was in the last couple of games I think. I hope he
>>>> does turn it around and puts together a nice second half.
>>> True. Still, if at the start of the season, you'd said that our SS would
>>> contribute 70-80 RBIs, I expect that most of us would have been
>>> happy with that production. If Lugo can return to form, I don't think
>>> that
>>> it's unreasonable, given all the men the Sox put on base, for him to end
>>> up in the 70-80 RBI range, which would be pretty impressive given that
>>> he just about took the month of June off with the slump.
>> I would rather see his improvement in other areas as RBI don't really say
>> anything about his productivity. If the players in front of him are
>> getting on a lot, then he will get a lot of RBIs without necessarily any
>> productive effort. A lot of different outs can bring someone in from
>> third.
>
> True, but unless you have a desperate need for something more or
> there are 2 outs, a productive out (not a DP) that drives in a run is
> not all that bad a thing. Frankly, they don't give style points for the
> quality of the RBI.
>
> But for the record, I was only talking about RBIs specifically, since that
> was the focus of the previous post. I'd be happy to see Lugo return to
> his career norms across the board.
>
> Back to RBI's... while I agree that with men on base, he should be able to
> produce RBI's, I seem to recall that AGon last year was utterly pathetic
> with men on base. So, almost anything would be an improvement in that
> regard.

I agree that a productive out is not a bad thing, but it doesn't give
you the warm and fuzzy that he will produce in the future as there is a
large degree of luck here. With a warm and fuzzy, I would feel a bit
better about the next three years (not to mention potentially the playoffs).


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"Tim Burnett" <tburnett2 RemoveThis @cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Lugo has nosed his way about the Mendoza line....for now....
>

Well, the reality of this is you have a guy who has always hit .280 to .300.
So he had a tough first half? Looking at the past, seems like he should
turn it around and probably hit as hit career average and if he does that,
everything will be fine. The fact that he can hit .200 for the 1/2 and the
Sox are a bunch of games in first bodes well for the Sox.
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"John Poutre" <mehatespam.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Tim Burnett" <tburnett2.RemoveThis@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Lugo has nosed his way about the Mendoza line....for now....
>>
>
> Well, the reality of this is you have a guy who has always hit .280 to
> .300. So he had a tough first half? Looking at the past, seems like he
> should turn it around and probably hit as hit career average and if he
> does that, everything will be fine. The fact that he can hit .200 for the
> 1/2 and the Sox are a bunch of games in first bodes well for the Sox.

a) ... as long as Lugo can bounce back....

b) The Sox' chances in the playoffs will be much improved if Lugo
can return to form offensively. Spreading out the offensive load makes
the team much more dangerous and difficult to pitch to.
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Fred Burton wrote:

>
> Back to RBI's... while I agree that with men on base, he should be able to
> produce RBI's, I seem to recall that AGon last year was utterly pathetic
> with men on base. So, almost anything would be an improvement in that
> regard.
>

Last year, Gonzalez was worse at taking advantage of RBI opportunities
than any other Sox regular other than Trot and Crisp, knocking in only
12.773% of the runners on base in front of him. This year, Lugo is
third on the Sox at 16.129%, ahead of both Papi and Manny. So he's got
that going for him.
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