The Liriano dilema

> On Jun 26, 9:49 am, S. Smith <scott.sm....TakeThisOut@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
> What are Liriano's AAA numbers looking like? I haven't been paying
> any attention to him and almost forgot about him altogether.


He had a nice four game run and then ran into a little trouble in his
two last starts.

May 31 6.1 IP 3 H 1 ER 1 BB 7 K No Decision
June 5 6.0 IP 4 H 3 ER 4 BB 7 K Win
June 10 6.0 IP 1 H 1 ER 1 BB 7 K W
June 15 7.1 IP 5 H 2 ER 0 BB 5 K W
June 20 5.0 IP 9 H 5 ER 1 BB 7 K ND
June 25 5.1 IP 9 H 5 ER 1 BB 3 K W

AAA
TOTALS 63.2 IP 63 H 30 ER 13 BB 52 K 4.24 ERA

It looks like he's getting his strikeout pitch back again, so I'm
guessing his slider has sharpened. He's not walking many guys at all,
so his control looks real good.

Yeah, what to do with Liriano is a dilemma. Matt's idea of moving
Perkins to the pen is the most palatable.

Did anybody else see that Rincon was signed to an Indians contract and
sent to AAA?
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On Jun 26, 10:10 am, powrwrap <powrw....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
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> May 31    6.1 IP  3 H   1 ER   1 BB   7 K   No Decision
> June  5    6.0 IP  4 H   3 ER    4 BB  7 K    Win
> June 10   6.0 IP  1 H   1  ER   1 BB  7 K    W
> June 15   7.1 IP  5 H   2  ER   0 BB  5 K    W
> June 20   5.0 IP  9 H    5 ER   1 BB  7 K    ND
> June 25   5.1 IP  9 H    5 ER   1 BB  3 K    W

Those last two starts are a bit of a step backwards, indeed. I was
aware of the June 20 start, but the June 25 one is a little
concerning. That's two starts in a row of 5 innings, 9 hits, and 5
earned runs. Maybe you get him one more to see if he can get back on
track.

Matt
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:12:33 -0700 (PDT), Matt <AcesWired DeleteThis @gmail.com>
wrote:

>What do you do with Liriano? After tonight, I think you have to send
>Perkins either to the pen (he can have Bass's spot) or back to AAA (he
>doesn't deserve it, but then he's not exactly mowing down hitters
>either). You gotta get Liriano up. He's done all he can do in AAA.

What are Liriano's AAA numbers looking like? I haven't been paying
any attention to him and almost forgot about him altogether.




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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:10:46 -0700 (PDT), powrwrap <powrwrap.TakeThisOut@aol.com>
wrote:

>> On Jun 26, 9:49 am, S. Smith <scott.sm....TakeThisOut@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>
>> What are Liriano's AAA numbers looking like? I haven't been paying
>> any attention to him and almost forgot about him altogether.
>
>
>He had a nice four game run and then ran into a little trouble in his
>two last starts.
>
>May 31 6.1 IP 3 H 1 ER 1 BB 7 K No Decision
>June 5 6.0 IP 4 H 3 ER 4 BB 7 K Win
>June 10 6.0 IP 1 H 1 ER 1 BB 7 K W
>June 15 7.1 IP 5 H 2 ER 0 BB 5 K W
>June 20 5.0 IP 9 H 5 ER 1 BB 7 K ND
>June 25 5.1 IP 9 H 5 ER 1 BB 3 K W
>
>AAA
>TOTALS 63.2 IP 63 H 30 ER 13 BB 52 K 4.24 ERA
>
>It looks like he's getting his strikeout pitch back again, so I'm
>guessing his slider has sharpened. He's not walking many guys at all,
>so his control looks real good.

Thanks for the update. I knew someone here would have the
condensed skinny on Liriano.

Sounds like he's on his way back to form...that's good.

>Yeah, what to do with Liriano is a dilemma. Matt's idea of moving
>Perkins to the pen is the most palatable.

I don't have a problem with that idea either.

>Did anybody else see that Rincon was signed to an Indians contract and
>sent to AAA?

Yeah, they mentioned it during the game last night. Bert said he saw
Rincon at breakfast and wished him luck with the Indians organization,
just not if he has to pitch against the Twins some day.




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> On Jun 26, 1:19 am, "brink" <brinknos....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I guess we should just be thankful that Buscher has made himself at home at
> third by hitting so well.  He and Harris are definitely a step backward on
> defense but their bats have been making up for it lately.


I keep hearing that Harris and Buscher aren't that great defensively
and I still haven't seen visual evidence of this. True, Harris made an
error on a throw trying to complete a double play today, but his glove
work is solid. I haven't seen anything by Buscher to make me think
he's a lousy fielder. In fact, I've seen him make some very nice
plays.

I've been high on Buscher since last September. I think he's a good
player and was kind of put off when the Twins acquired Lamb.
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> On Jun 26, 4:24 pm, powrwrap <powrw....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:

> In fact, I've seen him make some very nice plays.

Less than 5 minutes after I posted this, Buscher made a great play to
preserve the Twins' 4-3 lead. On a ball hit to his left, with the
Padres using the run-on-contact play, Buscher tracked it down and
instead of throwing to first he stopped, planted his foot and made an
off-balance, hard throw right to the spot in front of home plate
allowing Redmond to tag out the runner coming home from third.
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> On Jun 26, 1:19 am, "brink" <brinknos....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I guess we should just be thankful that Buscher has made himself at home
> at
> third by hitting so well. He and Harris are definitely a step backward on
> defense but their bats have been making up for it lately.


I keep hearing that Harris and Buscher aren't that great defensively
and I still haven't seen visual evidence of this. True, Harris made an
error on a throw trying to complete a double play today, but his glove
work is solid. I haven't seen anything by Buscher to make me think
he's a lousy fielder. In fact, I've seen him make some very nice
plays.

I've been high on Buscher since last September. I think he's a good
player and was kind of put off when the Twins acquired Lamb.

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Their range leaves a lot to be desired... I submit that Perkins was
actually pretty unlucky yesterday with the fielding he had behind him...
they were small things, but Buscher not getting the ball out of his glove
cleanly to start the 5-4-3 DP in the first inning was very costly... could
have -- and really should have -- ended the inning with 0 runs scored...
instead 2 came across because of the 1 on that play and then the subsequent
run.

Then Kubel misjudged a fly ball and of course that run ended up coming
across -- neither was scored an error...

That's the thing, box scores don't do a great job of informing us of plays
that players don't make, just the gross mistakes... ironically the 2 errors
Minny *was* charged with were on a foul ball Morneau really couldn't get to
and an equipment malfunction -- and both were harmless in the end...

BTW Lamb is not better to my eyes than Buscher at 3B, so I have no problem
at all with what Buscher has given the Twins...

brink
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> On Jun 26, 4:24 pm, powrwrap <powrw....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:

> In fact, I've seen him make some very nice plays.

Less than 5 minutes after I posted this, Buscher made a great play to
preserve the Twins' 4-3 lead. On a ball hit to his left, with the
Padres using the run-on-contact play, Buscher tracked it down and
instead of throwing to first he stopped, planted his foot and made an
off-balance, hard throw right to the spot in front of home plate
allowing Redmond to tag out the runner coming home from third.



That is one of the hardest throws to make. Moving to the left and throwing
across your body. He was accurate and had velocity. Very impressive
indeed.
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On Jun 26, 12:12 am, Matt <AcesWi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> What do you do with Liriano? After tonight, I think you have to send
> Perkins either to the pen (he can have Bass's spot) or back to AAA (he
> doesn't deserve it, but then he's not exactly mowing down hitters
> either). You gotta get Liriano up. He's done all he can do in AAA.
>
> (It goes without saying that I'd rather see Hernandez out, but ...
> that's not gonna happen)
>
> Matt

Ron Gardenhire has weighed in on the subject, from
minnesota.twins.mlb.com :

<<Francisco Liriano had another strong start on Monday night for
Triple-A Rochester, tossing seven shutout innings while allowing just
four hits and striking out nine, but Gardenhire said that the pitcher
won't be judged on a game-by-game basis. Instead, the Twins will wait
until they believe Liriano is throwing better than one of their
current starters, which right now is not the case.>>

brianj
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On Jul 3, 9:38 am, brianj <firstp....DeleteThis@turtlecreek.net> wrote:
>
> <<Francisco Liriano had another strong start on Monday night for
> Triple-A Rochester, tossing seven shutout innings while allowing just
> four hits and striking out nine, but Gardenhire said that the pitcher
> won't be judged on a game-by-game basis. Instead, the Twins will wait
> until they believe Liriano is throwing better than one of their
> current starters, which right now is not the case.>>

If they can say with a straight face that he's not throwing better
than Perkins or Hernandez, then ....

Matt
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> On Jul 3, 10:50�am, Matt <AcesWi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If they can say with a straight face that he's not throwing better
> than Perkins or Hernandez, then ....

Matt, what do you have against Perkins? He's been pretty good of late.

Today's telling stat:

HITS ALLOWED
Livan Hernandez-MIN 157
Joe Blanton-OAK 130
Carlos Silva-SEA 130
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On Jul 3, 11:12 am, powrwrap <powrw....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
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> Matt, what do you have against Perkins? He's been pretty good of late.

Nothing at all. I just feel Liriano has a lot more upside. Perkins has
been giving up a LOT of hits lately. Not Hernandez-esque, but way too
many runners. I think he's been getting some luck not getting tagged
more than he has for all the baserunners he gives up.

Matt
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