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"Brian Matthews" <noonecares.RemoveThis@ddd.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:38:16 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
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>
>>
>>
>>"Brian Matthews" <noonecares.RemoveThis@ddd.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:28:04 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>>> <billkawalec.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member.RemoveThis@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>
>>>>> IMO Raburn and Thames (before he got hurt) was a better alternative
>>>>> to Binge and Casey, provided you not bounce them in and out of the
>>>>> lineup
>>>>> every couple days. Monroe wasn't replaced earlier because, he had his
>>>>> fluke career year last year and the Team was hoping for more of
>>>>> the same. The same applies to Binge, but with him they compounded the
>>>>> problem with the new contract they handed him. Are we going to be
>>>>> sadled
>>>>> with Binge now ,like we were with Higgy. Looks like it. (and that's no
>>>>> way to win a World Series), but we could have another 119 loss season
>>>>> with him. He's used to those. If management doesn't consider it im-
>>>>> perative to win then this attitude will permiate throughout the whole
>>>>> organization. Pitchers, Catchers, other players (Why give 100%.
>>>>> Remember this is the Entertainment Business, not a game anymore)So
>>>>> don't balme any individual player or manager it's the organizations
>>>>> attitude that has caused this. Besides, if you don't like the lineup,
>>>>> wait. Every day brings a new surprise.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I find it odd how poeple seem to have a need to blame one guy. (I also
>>>>find
>>>>it odd that some people feel a need to make fun of someone's name.) INGE
>>>>is
>>>>not the problem. Problem is, you don't hae enough offensive production
>>>>at
>>>>left field and/or first base to make up for carrying a third baseman for
>>>>defense. Then again, we can't be sure that INGE isn't a better hitter
>>>>than
>>>>what we've seen. Sometimes there's a combination of player and hitting
>>>>coach
>>>>that connects (George Brett and Charlie Lau), and sometimes there's a
>>>>combination of player and hitting coach that is detrimental to the
>>>>hitter
>>>>(Steve Kemp and Charlie Lau).
>>>>The Tigers chose to stand pat at the deadline, even though one can see
>>>>now
>>>>that they already had their doubts about Monroe. Of course, we are not
>>>>privvy to what their options were. As of this moment, it doesn't look
>>>>like
>>>>rushing Maybin up was the right move. Funny, too, however, that all of
>>>>those
>>>>people who were complaining about Miller are STILL on the Maybin
>>>>bandwagon
>>>>(that's clear just from the fact that I have not yet seen one single
>>>>post
>>>>here suggesting Maybin should go back to AA ball).
>>>>This week should have been a big opportunity, since the Tigers are
>>>>playing
>>>>a
>>>>last place team, while the two teams ahead of them in the wild card race
>>>>face each other. Doesn't look like they're going to cash in. Barring a
>>>>miracle, these guys will be booking seperate flights on October 1st.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, and the Yankees will probably be in the playoffs, something most
>>> fans don't want to see.
>>
>>
>>
>>The Mariners ain't dead yet.
>
>
> Neither are the Tigers, who actually have a better record in the last
> 10 games than Seattle.
>



But the Tigers have shown no signs of life after the All Star break, and
they have two teams in front of them in the wc race. Last thing you want to
see right now is the best hitting team in the league coming to town on a
losing streak.




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>
>
>"snapp44" <snapp44_member.DeleteThis@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>> IMO Raburn and Thames (before he got hurt) was a better alternative
>> to Binge and Casey, provided you not bounce them in and out of the lineup
>> every couple days. Monroe wasn't replaced earlier because, he had his
>> fluke career year last year and the Team was hoping for more of
>> the same. The same applies to Binge, but with him they compounded the
>> problem with the new contract they handed him. Are we going to be sadled
>> with Binge now ,like we were with Higgy. Looks like it. (and that's no
>> way to win a World Series), but we could have another 119 loss season
>> with him. He's used to those. If management doesn't consider it im-
>> perative to win then this attitude will permiate throughout the whole
>> organization. Pitchers, Catchers, other players (Why give 100%.
>> Remember this is the Entertainment Business, not a game anymore)So
>> don't balme any individual player or manager it's the organizations
>> attitude that has caused this. Besides, if you don't like the lineup,
>> wait. Every day brings a new surprise.
>>
>>
>
>
>I find it odd how poeple seem to have a need to blame one guy. (I also find
>it odd that some people feel a need to make fun of someone's name.)

FWIW , I never blamed Binge alone. I didn't want
Monroe on the team either. Binge is a Binge hitter and Monroe hits
like a Marylin so it's not odd they have nicknames. What's odd is
your need to bring it up........like you're going to change usenet
or the thoughts and styles of its contributers.

INGE is
>not the problem. Problem is, you don't hae enough offensive production at
>left field and/or first base to make up for carrying a third baseman for
>defense.

Binge is the problem. Mostly innefective as a clutch hitter,
unable or unwilling to adjust his batting style, a player
who strikes out alot and who has regressed since receiving
a new contract. Casey will go, but Binge MUST go.

Then again, we can't be sure that INGE isn't a better hitter than
>what we've seen. Sometimes there's a combination of player and hitting coach
>that connects (George Brett and Charlie Lau), and sometimes there's a
>combination of player and hitting coach that is detrimental to the hitter
>(Steve Kemp and Charlie Lau).

Binge is what he IS. I suppose you would have given him an eight
year contract and blamed and fired Lloyd?

>The Tigers chose to stand pat at the deadline, even though one can see now
>that they already had their doubts about Monroe. Of course, we are not
>privvy to what their options were. As of this moment, it doesn't look like
>rushing Maybin up was the right move. Funny, too, however, that all of those
>people who were complaining about Miller are STILL on the Maybin bandwagon
>(that's clear just from the fact that I have not yet seen one single post
>here suggesting Maybin should go back to AA ball).

Wallbeck, Maybins manager in the minors said he can't learn much
more here and indeed he was showing signs of boredom, because
the competition was below his caliber (or words to that effect).
When the Tigers decide to give him some everyday playing time,
on a consistent basis with an opportunity to play his normal
position, I think his true abilities will be shown. But then
again, this is not a game anymore. It's the entertainment
business. so who knows what will happen with or to him?
Re Miller: Pitchers need more seasoning and he should develop
a third pitch, so another stint in the minors is appropriate.

>This week should have been a big opportunity, since the Tigers are playing a
>last place team, while the two teams ahead of them in the wild card race
>face each other. Doesn't look like they're going to cash in. Barring a
>miracle, these guys will be booking seperate flights on October 1st.
>

Just to show you how this business has changed: While Sheffield
was on DL for a shoulder problem, he was spending his time on
golf courses around his home in Florida. Is that anyway to
nurse a shoulder?? Wish there were more investigative sports
reporters to call these guys out and report how these Teams
do business.

Dave
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"snapp44" <snapp44_member DeleteThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Y-6dnftnOdrQjELbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d DeleteThis @comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
> says...
>>
>>
>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member DeleteThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
>>news:fbmjpa0t5k@drn.newsguy.com...
>>>>
>>> IMO Raburn and Thames (before he got hurt) was a better alternative
>>> to Binge and Casey, provided you not bounce them in and out of the
>>> lineup
>>> every couple days. Monroe wasn't replaced earlier because, he had his
>>> fluke career year last year and the Team was hoping for more of
>>> the same. The same applies to Binge, but with him they compounded the
>>> problem with the new contract they handed him. Are we going to be sadled
>>> with Binge now ,like we were with Higgy. Looks like it. (and that's no
>>> way to win a World Series), but we could have another 119 loss season
>>> with him. He's used to those. If management doesn't consider it im-
>>> perative to win then this attitude will permiate throughout the whole
>>> organization. Pitchers, Catchers, other players (Why give 100%.
>>> Remember this is the Entertainment Business, not a game anymore)So
>>> don't balme any individual player or manager it's the organizations
>>> attitude that has caused this. Besides, if you don't like the lineup,
>>> wait. Every day brings a new surprise.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>I find it odd how poeple seem to have a need to blame one guy. (I also
>>find
>>it odd that some people feel a need to make fun of someone's name.)
>
> FWIW , I never blamed Binge alone. I didn't want
> Monroe on the team either. Binge is a Binge hitter and Monroe hits
> like a Marylin so it's not odd they have nicknames. What's odd is
> your need to bring it up........like you're going to change usenet
> or the thoughts and styles of its contributers.
>
> INGE is
>>not the problem. Problem is, you don't hae enough offensive production at
>>left field and/or first base to make up for carrying a third baseman for
>>defense.
>
> Binge is the problem. Mostly innefective as a clutch hitter,
> unable or unwilling to adjust his batting style, a player
> who strikes out alot and who has regressed since receiving
> a new contract. Casey will go, but Binge MUST go.
>
> Then again, we can't be sure that INGE isn't a better hitter than
>>what we've seen. Sometimes there's a combination of player and hitting
>>coach
>>that connects (George Brett and Charlie Lau), and sometimes there's a
>>combination of player and hitting coach that is detrimental to the hitter
>>(Steve Kemp and Charlie Lau).
>
> Binge is what he IS. I suppose you would have given him an eight
> year contract and blamed and fired Lloyd?



No. INGE is a #9 hitter. 8 at best. It's other positions where they lack the
offense. Either that. or you gove up on the guy completely.



>
>>The Tigers chose to stand pat at the deadline, even though one can see now
>>that they already had their doubts about Monroe. Of course, we are not
>>privvy to what their options were. As of this moment, it doesn't look like
>>rushing Maybin up was the right move. Funny, too, however, that all of
>>those
>>people who were complaining about Miller are STILL on the Maybin bandwagon
>>(that's clear just from the fact that I have not yet seen one single post
>>here suggesting Maybin should go back to AA ball).
>
> Wallbeck, Maybins manager in the minors said he can't learn much
> more here and indeed he was showing signs of boredom, because
> the competition was below his caliber (or words to that effect).
> When the Tigers decide to give him some everyday playing time,
> on a consistent basis with an opportunity to play his normal
> position, I think his true abilities will be shown.



But his "normal position" is center field. I'm sorry but, I do not ask a
hard working guy like Granderson to move oever for a rookie.




But then
> again, this is not a game anymore. It's the entertainment
> business. so who knows what will happen with or to him?
> Re Miller: Pitchers need more seasoning and he should develop
> a third pitch, so another stint in the minors is appropriate.
>
>>This week should have been a big opportunity, since the Tigers are playing
>>a
>>last place team, while the two teams ahead of them in the wild card race
>>face each other. Doesn't look like they're going to cash in. Barring a
>>miracle, these guys will be booking seperate flights on October 1st.
>>
>
> Just to show you how this business has changed: While Sheffield
> was on DL for a shoulder problem, he was spending his time on
> golf courses around his home in Florida. Is that anyway to
> nurse a shoulder?? Wish there were more investigative sports
> reporters to call these guys out and report how these Teams
> do business.
>
> Dave
>
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The Al Central is a tough division all games are dogfights, K.C. needs 2
or 3 more good players and they will be in the thickof it too.The Soxs
are having the year Clevland was having last year they are not that
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>
>
>
>"snapp44" <snapp44_member.RemoveThis@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <Y-6dnftnOdrQjELbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d.RemoveThis@comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
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>>>
>>>
>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member.RemoveThis@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>> Binge is what he IS. I suppose you would have given him an eight
>> year contract and blamed and fired Lloyd?
>
>
>
>No. INGE is a #9 hitter. 8 at best. It's other positions where they lack the
>offense. Either that. or you gove up on the guy completely.
>
>
>
Well on My Team, 8 and 9 hitters are expected to contribute.
I guess you think he has contributed enough and I don't. He
does have very entertaining (there is that word again)
defensive abilities. I've completely given up on HIM though,
because production should trump entertainment.

>>>snipped


>> When the Tigers decide to give him some everyday playing time,
>> on a consistent basis with an opportunity to play his normal
>> position, I think his true abilities will be shown.
>
>
>
>But his "normal position" is center field. I'm sorry but, I do not ask a
>hard working guy like Granderson to move oever for a rookie.
>
>
>
IMO Granderson has three years seasoning and a comfortible
everyday position. These are intangibles that the KID doesn't
have. But the Kid will eventually have more power. He is
faster and supposedly has five tools which was never said
of Granderson. If Granderson is as mature as everyone says,
It should not be a problem for him to move, because he will
realize it can only make the Team better.(besides, we are
all getting ahead of ourselves, since it has been decided
to start the kid in the minors in 2008).

Dave
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> In article <isydnRWyuoimGX3bnZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
> says...
>>
>>
>>
>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
>>news:fbpa4k033o@drn.newsguy.com...
>>> In article <Y-6dnftnOdrQjELbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>
> snipped
>
>>> Binge is what he IS. I suppose you would have given him an eight
>>> year contract and blamed and fired Lloyd?
>>
>>
>>
>>No. INGE is a #9 hitter. 8 at best. It's other positions where they lack
>>the
>>offense. Either that. or you gove up on the guy completely.
>>
>>
>>
> Well on My Team, 8 and 9 hitters are expected to contribute.
> I guess you think he has contributed enough and I don't. He
> does have very entertaining (there is that word again)
> defensive abilities. I've completely given up on HIM though,
> because production should trump entertainment.




he DOES contribute. you balance the offense (over 60 RBI, ya know) and the
defense, and he's a contributor.



>
>>>>snipped
>
>
>>> When the Tigers decide to give him some everyday playing time,
>>> on a consistent basis with an opportunity to play his normal
>>> position, I think his true abilities will be shown.
>>
>>
>>
>>But his "normal position" is center field. I'm sorry but, I do not ask a
>>hard working guy like Granderson to move oever for a rookie.
>>
>>
>>
> IMO Granderson has three years seasoning and a comfortible
> everyday position. These are intangibles that the KID doesn't
> have. But the Kid will eventually have more power. He is
> faster and supposedly has five tools which was never said
> of Granderson. If Granderson is as mature as everyone says,
> It should not be a problem for him to move, because he will
> realize it can only make the Team better.(besides, we are
> all getting ahead of ourselves, since it has been decided
> to start the kid in the minors in 2008).
> .




yadda yadda yadda!!!! You ""prove"" your point, then concede that Maybin is
a minor leaguer! Hot air spewing from both sides of your mouth!



> Dave
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In article <kK-dnTakQ7UxSn_bnZ2dnUVZ_uiknZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec says...
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>
>"snapp44" <snapp44_member RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <y_OdnShsS7P2BXzbnZ2dnUVZ_qCgnZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>>>> In article <isydnRWyuoimGX3bnZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>> In article <Y-6dnftnOdrQjELbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>, Bill
>>>>>> Kawalec
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>yadda yadda yadda!!!! You ""prove"" your point, then concede that Maybin
>>>is
>>>a minor leaguer! Hot air spewing from both sides of your mouth!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> .................Bla! Bla! Bla!........Learn to comprehend.
>> I concede nothing! I'm only reporting what the organization
>> says it has decided to do. But I do have a question for
>> Leyland. Why bring the kid up, if you were going to play
>> him out of position
>
>
>
>Because if he is going to play, that IS the position he's going to play.
>
>
>
Which only proves "Mr. WISHY-WASHY" is an idiot.

Dave
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In article <fbv9k303a7.TakeThisOut@drn.newsguy.com>,
snapp44 <snapp44_member.TakeThisOut@newsguy.com> wrote:

> In article <kK-dnTakQ7UxSn_bnZ2dnUVZ_uiknZ2d.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
> says...
> >
> >
> >"snapp44" <snapp44_member.TakeThisOut@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >news:fbudrv01c48@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> In article <y_OdnShsS7P2BXzbnZ2dnUVZ_qCgnZ2d.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
> >> says...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member.TakeThisOut@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:fbrvvh02br7@drn.newsguy.com...
> >>>> In article <isydnRWyuoimGX3bnZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
> >>>> says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member.TakeThisOut@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:fbpa4k033o@drn.newsguy.com...
> >>>>>> In article <Y-6dnftnOdrQjELbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>, Bill
> >>>>>> Kawalec
> >>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member.TakeThisOut@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:fbmjpa0t5k@drn.newsguy.com...
> >>>>
> >>>> snipped
> >>>>
> >>>>>> snipped
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>snipped
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>yadda yadda yadda!!!! You ""prove"" your point, then concede that Maybin
> >>>is
> >>>a minor leaguer! Hot air spewing from both sides of your mouth!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> .................Bla! Bla! Bla!........Learn to comprehend.
> >> I concede nothing! I'm only reporting what the organization
> >> says it has decided to do. But I do have a question for
> >> Leyland. Why bring the kid up, if you were going to play
> >> him out of position
> >
> >
> >
> >Because if he is going to play, that IS the position he's going to play.
> >
> >
> >
> Which only proves "Mr. WISHY-WASHY" is an idiot.
>
> Dave

I am impressed by this back and forth converstation
mr. quacker doesn't appear to have hit his "Z" key or threaten to sue
anyone.

It is like...I don't know...almost mature.

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> In article <fbv9k303a7 DeleteThis @drn.newsguy.com>,
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>
>> In article <kK-dnTakQ7UxSn_bnZ2dnUVZ_uiknZ2d DeleteThis @comcast.com>, Bill Kawalec
>> says...
>> >
>> >
>> >"snapp44" <snapp44_member DeleteThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>> >> In article <y_OdnShsS7P2BXzbnZ2dnUVZ_qCgnZ2d DeleteThis @comcast.com>, Bill
>> >> Kawalec
>> >> says...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member DeleteThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:fbrvvh02br7@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >>>> In article <isydnRWyuoimGX3bnZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d DeleteThis @comcast.com>, Bill
>> >>>> Kawalec
>> >>>> says...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member DeleteThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>news:fbpa4k033o@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >>>>>> In article <Y-6dnftnOdrQjELbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d DeleteThis @comcast.com>, Bill
>> >>>>>> Kawalec
>> >>>>>> says...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"snapp44" <snapp44_member DeleteThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>news:fbmjpa0t5k@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> snipped
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> snipped
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>snipped
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>yadda yadda yadda!!!! You ""prove"" your point, then concede that
>> >>>Maybin
>> >>>is
>> >>>a minor leaguer! Hot air spewing from both sides of your mouth!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> .................Bla! Bla! Bla!........Learn to comprehend.
>> >> I concede nothing! I'm only reporting what the organization
>> >> says it has decided to do. But I do have a question for
>> >> Leyland. Why bring the kid up, if you were going to play
>> >> him out of position
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Because if he is going to play, that IS the position he's going to play.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Which only proves "Mr. WISHY-WASHY" is an idiot.
>>
>> Dave
>
> I am impressed by this back and forth converstation
> mr. quacker doesn't appear to have hit his "Z" key or threaten to sue
> anyone.
>
> It is like...I don't know...almost mature.



Just continue to ignore me, a-hole. From you, it's an honor.







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