Leyland blows game

> so, what's your alternative solution? Have Robertson throw 150 pitches
> maybe?

Aloha all,

Been lurking all year. Decided to post here. Yea I am frustrated. My
opinion on all of this is Leyland seems to be playing not to loose instead
of playing to win. Leyland took Robertoson out becasue he was probably
afraid of the big inning that might occur if he left him in.

I also think he is trying to rest our regulars a little
too much.

This is it! We need to field the best on a consistent basis. I know the
regulars need a day off now and then. It just seems that Leyland is more
concerned with giving the regulars a day off, then he is with winning.

With Sheffield out, I really do not think we can afford to have Rodriguez,
Guillen, Granderson and Casey NOT starting at the same time! Leyland needs
to come out with as many guns as possible in this last month. I realize
these guys need rest, but for crying out loud everyone has a day off on
Monday. I know they had to fly home but come on... this is do or die here
and we needed this win and series against the A's.

Let's play the best and just play Guillen at 1st if he is a little lame and
let Casey DH until Sheffield comes back.

My 2 cents..

Aloha!

Tiger Fred
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YA ......IF he could win the game the tigs
needed a win tonight with the other contenders loosing ........tick tick
tock
time just keeps on ticking away.......

have him pitch till he starts to choke.......
bull pen stinks.........where off to boston
to cause some more damage to another
contender after sweeping the m's.....

if your lucky they will keep you in the race
by taking 2 of three at the least and
a couple from the skanks as well......

wana see a good pitcher who can go
9 plus and still melt hitters check out
the doc and beckett match up....
should be speacial....

and a lights out bull pen with an
era you could only wish for right
now.......

maybe under achievers or over achievers
who cares........
but some hearts are gona get broke in
motown is my guess....

try and win one or two will ya at least show yourself to be defending
champs
instead of dead wood ok...ehhhhhhhh

maybe you can re-cycle pine tar rogers
in time ...who knows they say all things
are possible......??????
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In article <46dbd123$0$31897$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Tiger Fred says...
>
>
>> so, what's your alternative solution? Have Robertson throw 150 pitches
>> maybe?
>
>Aloha all,
>
>Been lurking all year. Decided to post here. Yea I am frustrated. My
>opinion on all of this is Leyland seems to be playing not to loose instead
>of playing to win. Leyland took Robertoson out becasue he was probably
>afraid of the big inning that might occur if he left him in.
>
>I also think he is trying to rest our regulars a little
>too much.

Well, that is the understatement of the year. If "Jimmy"
knew what he was doing we wouldn't have 25 regulars on
this team.

>
>This is it! We need to field the best on a consistent basis. I know the
>regulars need a day off now and then. It just seems that Leyland is more
>concerned with giving the regulars a day off, then he is with winning.
>

When are those little "Coffin Nails" going to...... put him on the DL?

>With Sheffield out, I really do not think we can afford to have Rodriguez,
>Guillen, Granderson and Casey NOT starting at the same time! Leyland needs
>to come out with as many guns as possible in this last month. I realize
>these guys need rest, but for crying out loud everyone has a day off on
>Monday. I know they had to fly home but come on... this is do or die here
>and we needed this win and series against the A's.
>

"Do or Die" went away when they started getting signing bonuses,
guaranteed money and long term contracts. BTW, bet Inge will be
our starting third sacker again next year and "Jimmy" will be
right their telling us all about his defensive abilities. Deja-
Fools.

>Let's play the best and just play Guillen at 1st if he is a little lame and
>let Casey DH until Sheffield comes back.
>

Can't do it. "Jimmy" would play the bat boy if he could.

>My 2 cents..
>
>Aloha!
>
>Tiger Fred
>
Dave
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"Tiger Fred" <spame.DeleteThis@spame.com> wrote in message
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>
>> so, what's your alternative solution? Have Robertson throw 150 pitches
>> maybe?
>
> Aloha all,
>
> Been lurking all year. Decided to post here. Yea I am frustrated. My
> opinion on all of this is Leyland seems to be playing not to loose instead
> of playing to win. Leyland took Robertoson out becasue he was probably
> afraid of the big inning that might occur if he left him in.
>
> I also think he is trying to rest our regulars a little
> too much.
>
> This is it! We need to field the best on a consistent basis. I know the
> regulars need a day off now and then. It just seems that Leyland is more
> concerned with giving the regulars a day off, then he is with winning.
>
> With Sheffield out, I really do not think we can afford to have Rodriguez,
> Guillen, Granderson and Casey NOT starting at the same time!



otoh, it's not like Rodriguez and Casey are having career years...





Leyland needs
> to come out with as many guns as possible in this last month. I realize
> these guys need rest, but for crying out loud everyone has a day off on
> Monday. I know they had to fly home but come on... this is do or die
> here and we needed this win and series against the A's.
>
> Let's play the best and just play Guillen at 1st if he is a little lame
> and let Casey DH until Sheffield comes back.
>
> My 2 cents..
>
> Aloha!
>
> Tiger Fred
>
>
>
>
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"snapp44" <snapp44_member RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> In article <46dbd123$0$31897$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Tiger Fred says...
>>
>>
>>> so, what's your alternative solution? Have Robertson throw 150 pitches
>>> maybe?
>>
>>Aloha all,
>>
>>Been lurking all year. Decided to post here. Yea I am frustrated. My
>>opinion on all of this is Leyland seems to be playing not to loose instead
>>of playing to win. Leyland took Robertoson out becasue he was probably
>>afraid of the big inning that might occur if he left him in.
>>
>>I also think he is trying to rest our regulars a little
>>too much.
>
> Well, that is the understatement of the year. If "Jimmy"
> knew what he was doing we wouldn't have 25 regulars on
> this team.
>
>>
>>This is it! We need to field the best on a consistent basis. I know the
>>regulars need a day off now and then. It just seems that Leyland is more
>>concerned with giving the regulars a day off, then he is with winning.
>>
>
> When are those little "Coffin Nails" going to...... put him on the DL?
>
>>With Sheffield out, I really do not think we can afford to have Rodriguez,
>>Guillen, Granderson and Casey NOT starting at the same time! Leyland
>>needs
>>to come out with as many guns as possible in this last month. I realize
>>these guys need rest, but for crying out loud everyone has a day off on
>>Monday. I know they had to fly home but come on... this is do or die
>>here
>>and we needed this win and series against the A's.
>>
>
> "Do or Die" went away when they started getting signing bonuses,
> guaranteed money and long term contracts. BTW, bet Inge will be
> our starting third sacker again next year and "Jimmy" will be
> right their telling us all about his defensive abilities. Deja-
> Fools.



Well, those who pay attention believe in Inge's defensive abilities, BUT, if
you're going to have an offensive weakness at 3B, you need to make that up
in LF or at 1B, and they have not done that.




>
>>Let's play the best and just play Guillen at 1st if he is a little lame
>>and
>>let Casey DH until Sheffield comes back.
>>
>
> Can't do it. "Jimmy" would play the bat boy if he could.
>
>>My 2 cents..
>>
>>Aloha!
>>
>>Tiger Fred
>>
> Dave
>
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Monday, 9-3, they just reported on the 1PM news on WJR that the Tigers are
in Oakland, leading 7-0 in the fifth inning. I wonder if the outcome will be
different today . . .





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IMO, the real turning point on Sunday was when Jomes threw Scutaro an 0-2
pitch that I could have hit.




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In article <46dbd123$0$31897$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Tiger Fred" <spame.TakeThisOut@spame.com> wrote:

> > so, what's your alternative solution? Have Robertson throw 150 pitches
> > maybe?
>
> Aloha all,
>
> Been lurking all year. Decided to post here. Yea I am frustrated. My
> opinion on all of this is Leyland seems to be playing not to loose instead
> of playing to win. Leyland took Robertoson out becasue he was probably
> afraid of the big inning that might occur if he left him in.
>
> I also think he is trying to rest our regulars a little
> too much.
>
> This is it! We need to field the best on a consistent basis. I know the
> regulars need a day off now and then. It just seems that Leyland is more
> concerned with giving the regulars a day off, then he is with winning.
>
> With Sheffield out, I really do not think we can afford to have Rodriguez,
> Guillen, Granderson and Casey NOT starting at the same time! Leyland needs
> to come out with as many guns as possible in this last month. I realize
> these guys need rest, but for crying out loud everyone has a day off on
> Monday. I know they had to fly home but come on... this is do or die here
> and we needed this win and series against the A's.
>
> Let's play the best and just play Guillen at 1st if he is a little lame and
> let Casey DH until Sheffield comes back.
>
> My 2 cents..
in hindsight it is much more than two pennies

When I heard the line up, I thought, o good the Mud Hens are in town

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On Sep 3, 1:18 am, "Bill Kawalec" <billkawa....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Stephen R." <srudni....TakeThisOut@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
> news:17885-46DB4B47-115@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net...
>
> > Robertson pitches 6 good innings with a low pitch count he could have
> > pitched 8 he was sharp,We bring 4 bullpeners in 3 of them didnt have it
> > unless a miracle happens were toast,
>
> so, what's your alternative solution? Have Robertson throw 150 pitches
> maybe?

Depends BKLounge. What year are the Tigers playing for? NEXT?
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"Brian Matthews" <noonecares.RemoveThis@ddd.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:00:37 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>It's an unwritten rule in Detroit that we balme the goalie in hockey, the
>>quarterback in football and the manager in baseball. Do you have an
>>alternative to Inge or Casey? With Sheffield on the DL, who's a better #3
>>hitter on this team than Casey? Sure, ideally your #3 hitter hits with
>>more
>>power, but where is this guy? And Monroe wasn't replaced sooner because
>>they
>>expected exactly what they got from his replacement. As someone asked here
>>earlier, are they playing for next season? I think the answer to that was
>>made clear at the trading deadline. If they considered it imperative to
>>win
>>this year, they would have sought a left handed slugger to put in the
>>lineup
>>on a daily basis.
>
> Well said. And I couldn't agree more. Why use Miller and Maybin?
> Miller should have been another year of seasoning in the minors to
> learn and master a third pitch and Maybin should NEVER have been
> called up this year. He was hitting the ball really good in the
> minors, working his way up and now he's lost all confidence. He is one
> example of the problem of rushing players to the majors when they're
> not ready.
>
> As for the #3 hitter, Leyland has tried everyone. I would love to see
> the stats of our #3 hitter since Shef's last game. I bet it's not
> pretty. Can't blame Leyland for not trying to find the right player,
> they just haven't produced.
>
> As for the pitching? I would love to bring in Rodney in the 7th with a
> 5 run lead. 99% of the time, he would mow down the opposition,
>
> And Zumaya in the 8th? Good luck to the opponent.
>
> And even though I don't like him, Jones has come through at a good
> clip. It's the games when he blows it we remember the most, unfair to
> him.
>



tell ya what though; I kinda wish they had sought out a big slugger and bit
the bullet. They look to be in danger of becoming a franchise that's
constantly rebuilding. Sometimes you should draft with the intent of trading
your prospects for here and now players. As an example, Jeff Kent for David
Cone comes to mind. . .





> Brian
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In article <dd7sd319963pgh0nq6lh1iovhtjm8nppfi.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, Brian Matthews says...
>
>On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:00:37 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
><billkawalec.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>It's an unwritten rule in Detroit that we balme the goalie in hockey, the
>>quarterback in football and the manager in baseball. Do you have an
>>alternative to Inge or Casey? With Sheffield on the DL, who's a better #3
>>hitter on this team than Casey? Sure, ideally your #3 hitter hits with more
>>power, but where is this guy? And Monroe wasn't replaced sooner because they
>>expected exactly what they got from his replacement. As someone asked here
>>earlier, are they playing for next season? I think the answer to that was
>>made clear at the trading deadline. If they considered it imperative to win
>>this year, they would have sought a left handed slugger to put in the lineup
>>on a daily basis.
>
>Well said. And I couldn't agree more. Why use Miller and Maybin?
>Miller should have been another year of seasoning in the minors to
>learn and master a third pitch and Maybin should NEVER have been
>called up this year. He was hitting the ball really good in the
>minors, working his way up and now he's lost all confidence. He is one
>example of the problem of rushing players to the majors when they're
>not ready.
>

The way I heard it is that Maybin was a five tool guy and he had
little if any competition in the minors. So to keep his mind fresh
and maybe not bored, they brought him up. It may be that there were
internal organizational presures for both to be brought up? Re:Maybin,
his coach (Wallbeck I think) said he was ready.

>As for the #3 hitter, Leyland has tried everyone. I would love to see
>the stats of our #3 hitter since Shef's last game. I bet it's not
>pretty. Can't blame Leyland for not trying to find the right player,
>they just haven't produced.
>

It's the way he tried to find someone. You must give them a chance to
adjust and that means more than a couple days.

>As for the pitching? I would love to bring in Rodney in the 7th with a
>5 run lead. 99% of the time, he would mow down the opposition,
>
>And Zumaya in the 8th? Good luck to the opponent.
>
>And even though I don't like him, Jones has come through at a good
>clip. It's the games when he blows it we remember the most, unfair to
>him.
>
>Brian

Dave
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>>
> IMO Raburn and Thames (before he got hurt) was a better alternative
> to Binge and Casey, provided you not bounce them in and out of the lineup
> every couple days. Monroe wasn't replaced earlier because, he had his
> fluke career year last year and the Team was hoping for more of
> the same. The same applies to Binge, but with him they compounded the
> problem with the new contract they handed him. Are we going to be sadled
> with Binge now ,like we were with Higgy. Looks like it. (and that's no
> way to win a World Series), but we could have another 119 loss season
> with him. He's used to those. If management doesn't consider it im-
> perative to win then this attitude will permiate throughout the whole
> organization. Pitchers, Catchers, other players (Why give 100%.
> Remember this is the Entertainment Business, not a game anymore)So
> don't balme any individual player or manager it's the organizations
> attitude that has caused this. Besides, if you don't like the lineup,
> wait. Every day brings a new surprise.
>
>


I find it odd how poeple seem to have a need to blame one guy. (I also find
it odd that some people feel a need to make fun of someone's name.) INGE is
not the problem. Problem is, you don't hae enough offensive production at
left field and/or first base to make up for carrying a third baseman for
defense. Then again, we can't be sure that INGE isn't a better hitter than
what we've seen. Sometimes there's a combination of player and hitting coach
that connects (George Brett and Charlie Lau), and sometimes there's a
combination of player and hitting coach that is detrimental to the hitter
(Steve Kemp and Charlie Lau).
The Tigers chose to stand pat at the deadline, even though one can see now
that they already had their doubts about Monroe. Of course, we are not
privvy to what their options were. As of this moment, it doesn't look like
rushing Maybin up was the right move. Funny, too, however, that all of those
people who were complaining about Miller are STILL on the Maybin bandwagon
(that's clear just from the fact that I have not yet seen one single post
here suggesting Maybin should go back to AA ball).
This week should have been a big opportunity, since the Tigers are playing a
last place team, while the two teams ahead of them in the wild card race
face each other. Doesn't look like they're going to cash in. Barring a
miracle, these guys will be booking seperate flights on October 1st.
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