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John C. Baker

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:35 pm
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Some of you might recall that I sent lettr to the Mayor of Montréal and
Québec's premier last month asking that they issue statements of support
for retaining the Expos.

Here's Mayor Tremblay's response (which I think is a form letter because
I did not ask that public funds be invested):

Montréal
Cabinet du maire et du comité exécutif

Hôtel de ville
275, rue Notre-Dame Est
Montreal (Quebec) H2Y 1126

July 8, 2004

Mr. John Baker
South San Francisco, CA 94080-1134 U.S.A.

Our ref.: GD020065500

Dear Mr. Baker,

Mayor Gérald Tremblay received your letter of June 20, 2004 in which you
ask that he intervene in order to save the Montreal Expos.

The Expos' fate has been precarious in recent years and each new
baseball season brings its share of rumours concerning the team's future.

The municipal government shares your concern. For example, in 2003,
Mayor Tremblay wrote to Commissioner Allan Selig to encourage the Major
Baseball League to keep the Expos permanently in Montréal in order to
maintain the city's baseball tradition.

For over 35 years, the Expos have been an integral part of the city's
culture and lifestyle. However, baseball's roots here go even farther
back. The Montréal Royals baseball team made history when, in 1946, as
the minor league affiliate with the Brooklyn Dodgers, it broke Major
League Baseball's colour barrier by recruiting Jackie Robinson, the
first black Major League star.

Moreover, the Montréal franchise earned an international reputation for
the quality of the players that it trained over the years. Many players
from opposing Major League teams often spoke of Montreal fans'
enthusiasm and warmth.

The team also generated significant income for the city. created
numerous jobs and instilled pride in Montrealers because of its
affiliation with a Major League Baseball team.

While the City of Montreal wishes to see the Expos remain in Montréal,
the municipal government does not intend to invest public funds in the
team. It must take care of numerous urgent problems, including repairs
to the water-distribution system and city streets and sidewalks, to
mention but some of its priorities.

Sincerely yours,

Stéphan Forget
Special Advisor to the Mayor

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Steph G.B

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:20 am
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"John C. Baker" <jcb10.TakeThisOut@axe.humboldt.edu> a écrit dans le message de
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and i agree with them.

Even if i personnally had a billion dollars, i would not invest a cent in a
league that is sick.
The financial structure of that league is awful, and it prevents alot of
teams from being
competitive.

When you look at how the Yankees buy lots of stars, and teams like the Expos
could not
even keep their one big star (Vladdy)... how is that fair?

The NFL has the right approach. Small market teams have as much chance as
big markets
to go for the championship. Let's hope that this fall, hockey follows the
NFL instead of MLB (whose
owners wussed out with that luxury tax).

Until the league runs itself with brains and in an equal matter for all
teams, (which includes the commissionner
NOT being also an owner) then i'd rather Montréal just not have a team.
It's a waste for fans.

we've been threatened for years.. the expos will leave the expos will leave.

well do it already and go away. (MLB, not you) Smile

my 2 cents Smile

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:22 am
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In article <EI9Kc.42648$mU1.1431806@weber.videotron.net>,
"Steph G.B" <Epica.DeleteThis@nl.com> wrote:

> and i agree with them.

I presume you're talking about not investing public funds. I agree, I
just asked for an official resolution of support for the Expos, in the
hope it would encourage investors.

The best reason? It's in the letter: "The team also generated
significant income for the city, created numerous jobs and instilled
pride in Montrealers because of its affiliation with a Major League
Baseball team."

> Even if i personnally had a billion dollars, i would not invest a cent in a
> league that is sick.

If I had a billion dollars, I wouldn't need to worry about making or
losing money since I'd have all I needed (obviously, I'd put a hundred
mil away so I'd be set for life). So yes, I'd try to buy the Expos. Smile

> well do it already and go away. (MLB, not you) Smile

I knew what you meant. Smile
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John Smith

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:12 pm
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"Steph G.B" <Epica.DeleteThis@nl.com> wrote in message
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> The financial structure of that league is awful, and it prevents alot of
> teams from being
> competitive.

??? Each year people on RSB there is a challenge to name, at the start of
the season, 10 teams that have NO chance to compete for a post-season birth.
And each year it is readily apparent that this is really not feasible. For
example, this year the Cardinals were picked by many to finish third or
worse in the NL Central, the Reds and Brewers were supposed to be unable to
be competitive... or the Texas Rangers were given no chance in the AL
West... and so forth. The league has lots of self-made problems but a
"lack of competitiveness" is not one of them....
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:04 am
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I don't think economics alone justifies what happened to the Expos nor does
it completely explain why the Yankees have been so good over the past 10
years.

The Expos never really had great fan support. A winning team would produce
decent numbers but not consistent sellouts. The Yankees have always been a
dominant team with more resources than other. Instead of paying massive
free agent salaries the Yankees outspent in areas of scouting and player
development.

Montreal is a hockey city. It does not deserve a baseball team. I just
hope Washington doesn't get the team.
"John C. Baker" <jcb10 RemoveThis @axe.humboldt.edu> wrote in message
news:jcb10-61EEFF.11220217072004@reader3.news.rcn.net...
> In article <EI9Kc.42648$mU1.1431806@weber.videotron.net>,
> "Steph G.B" <Epica RemoveThis @nl.com> wrote:
>
> > and i agree with them.
>
> I presume you're talking about not investing public funds. I agree, I
> just asked for an official resolution of support for the Expos, in the
> hope it would encourage investors.
>
> The best reason? It's in the letter: "The team also generated
> significant income for the city, created numerous jobs and instilled
> pride in Montrealers because of its affiliation with a Major League
> Baseball team."
>
> > Even if i personnally had a billion dollars, i would not invest a cent
in a
> > league that is sick.
>
> If I had a billion dollars, I wouldn't need to worry about making or
> losing money since I'd have all I needed (obviously, I'd put a hundred
> mil away so I'd be set for life). So yes, I'd try to buy the Expos. Smile
>
> > well do it already and go away. (MLB, not you) Smile
>
> I knew what you meant. Smile
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John C. Baker

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:27 am
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Adam B wrote:

> The Expos never really had great fan support.

I must respectfully disagree.

Once again, someone pops in here from another newsgroup to post an opinion
without fully doing their research. No, Montreal has never outdrawn the New
York Yankees. But they have, for example, outdrawn the New York Mets (as
recently as '96). The city produced attendance of more than two million
several times in the '80s, and was drawing well (40K+) in its 1994 pennant
run -- and we know what happened here.

The reasons attendance died are many, but can basically be summarized into
two issues: the stadium and the inability to compete. The stadium is a
hole, an unispiring place to be in a town that has short summers (maybe if
the convertible roof worked, things might be different). The team hasn't
been able to compete because of revenue, which itself has suffered because
of the decline in the Canadian dollar and the vicious cycle of poor
attendance resulting from an inability to compete.

The fact that the team is constantly threatening to leave also causes
people to look elsewhere in deciding where to spend their entertainment
money.

> Montreal is a hockey city. It does not deserve a baseball team.

Au contraire. The atmosphere inside Olympic Stadium can be electric
(example, last season's August sweep of Phladelphia which tied us for the
wild card lead) and has been in the past. It could be again if the Expos'
former owners win the RICO suit, buy the team and commit to winning and
building a new stadium.

It's a longshot, and I admit the chances are slim, but it makes me feel
better.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:48 am
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Adam B wrote:

> The Expos never really had great fan support.

I must respectfully disagree.

Once again, someone pops in here from another newsgroup to post an
opinion without fully doing their research. No, Montréal has never
outdrawn the New York Yankees. But they have, for example, outdrawn the
New York Mets (as recently as '96). The city produced attendance of more
than two million several times in the '80s, and was drawing well (40K+)
in its 1994 pennant run -- and we know what happened here.

The reasons attendance died are many, but can basically be summarized
into two issues: the stadium and the inability to compete. The stadium
is a hole, an unispiring place to be in a town that has short summers
(maybe if the convertible roof worked, things might be different). The
team hasn't been able to compete because of revenue, which itself has
suffered because of the decline in the Canadian dollar and the vicious
cycle of poor attendance resulting from an inability to compete.

The fact that the team is constantly threatening to leave also causes
people to look elsewhere in deciding where to spend their entertainment
money.

> Montreal is a hockey city. It does not deserve a baseball team.

Au contraire. The atmosphere inside Olympic Stadium can be electric
(example, last season's August sweep of Phladelphia which tied us for
the wild card lead) and has been in the past. It could be again if the
Expos' former owners win the RICO suit, buy the team and commit to
winning and building a new stadium.

It's a longshot, and I admit the chances are slim, but the idea makes me
feel better.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:19 pm
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"Adam B" <wetbrain RemoveThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> The Expos never really had great fan support. A winning team would
produce
> decent numbers but not consistent sellouts.

I guess it depends on your definition of "great". Using your definition of
"great" there are only about 3 or 4 teams that have "great" fan support.
Using a more reasonable definition, historically the Expos have had great
fan support... until changes drove away the fans.


> Montreal is a hockey city. It does not deserve a baseball team. I just
> hope Washington doesn't get the team.

Ironically Washington DC has a great deal in common with the Expos. Both
cities either lost (in the case of DC) or will likely lose (in the case of
Montreal) their teams because of ownership groups that made concious
decisions to drive off their fan base and set themselves up for a
move/contraction payday. In many ways DC is the perfect recipient of the
Expos.... and I think those fans would be far more likely to understand and
sympathize with the plight of the expo fans.
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