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Drew

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:41 pm
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Saturday, July 16, 2005
BY ED PRICE
Star-Ledger Staff
BOSTON -- Al Leiter's career may end where it began.

A person close to Leiter said yesterday that Leiter, who was designated for
assignment Thursday by the Florida Marlins, is optimistic he will wind up
with the Yankees.

With the Yankees in need of starting pitching because of a rash of injuries
and the Marlins having a little more than a week to trade Leiter or put him
on release waivers, there could be a fit.

"At this point in time, we haven't had any communication with Florida,"
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said before last night's game. "That
doesn't mean I won't, but I haven't yet."

The person close to Leiter, however, said there have been discussions of
some sort. Perhaps Leiter's representatives are aware the Yankees are
interested in him if he clears waivers.

"He certainly is an experienced guy," manager Joe Torre said. "I put him in
that category. One thing about our ballclub: When you're looking to pitch
here, the experience factor usually carries a little weight because of what
we have to deal with here."

Leiter, 39, is a native of Berkeley Township and a product of Central
Regional High School. He was 3-7 with a 6.64 ERA in 17 games (16 starts) for
the Marlins, allowing 88 hits and walking 60 in 80 innings.

A scout who saw Leiter this year said his problems may be corrected somewhat
if he can re-establish the downward plane on his fastball. Leiter spent
1987-89 with the Yankees, who drafted him in the second round in 1984, and
was with the Mets from 1998 to 2004.

In a statement released Thursday by the Marlins, Leiter indicated he will
not retire.

"I truly expected more success in my return to the Florida Marlins," Leiter
said. "To say I am disappointed with my performance is vastly understated. I
understand the organization needed to do what they had to. It is a very good
team with expectations to win. It's just unfortunate it didn't work out for
me. I anticipate an opportunity to make the best of the remainder of this
season."

Leiter, 158-127 for his career, signed a one-year, $8 million contract with
Florida that includes $4 million in salary (half deferred), a $3 million
deferred signing bonus and a $1 million contribution to his charity,
Leiter's Landing. With the season more than half over, he is owed about $1.7
million in salary.

The Yankees discussed sending reliever Mike Stanton to Florida for Leiter
after Stanton had been designated for assignment but could not agree on how
the money owed Leiter would be split.

"I'd rather not add payroll," Cashman said. "I'd like to take our payroll
backwards. I think this winter we'll be able to do that. But in the
meantime, if I run into something that makes sense, we'll talk about it
internally."

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:12 pm
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Seth Jackson wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2005 11:36:54 -0700, "mrbrklyn" <spam-killer RemoveThis @nylxs.com>
> wrote:
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> >Why would the yankees do that?
>
> Uh, because they have only 2 starters?
>
> >Mind boggling. It's like an endless appitite with them.
>
> What brilliant suggestions would you propose?

Exactly . . . what're people thinking? The starting rotation is down to
ALMOST NOTHING, and the Yankees know damn well that Leiter is a
scrap-head risk, kinda like Gooden in 2000. But what do people here
think the Yankees should do, stand on what they have? Maybe have more
games like Friday night's, which would destroy the already weak bullen?

The Yankees HAVE to get a least one starter who MIGHT be able to fill a
No. 4/5 spot. Who do people expect the Yankees to get? Dontrelle
Willis? Let's remember, Redding, May and Henn were DISASTERS.

Leiter is potentially a good move, and, right now, his experience
counts for more than his 2005 numbers. I hope they didn't give up much,
and I doubt they did. Florida was probably trying to clear the payroll
more than anything else.

If Pavano and Brown come back and stay back (big ifs), the Yankees will
have a (mostly-old) rotation of:

Mussina
Johnson
Pavano
Brown
Leiter

The Yankees will just have to take that rotation and cross their
fingers, because Boston has problems of its own, and the AL East ain't
what it once was -- 90 wins might take it. This rotation would be
better than what they had coming out of the break, which was, as I said
already, almost nothing. And, remember, the schedule for the next few
weeks is murder, so it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:04 pm
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Fox just reported that Leiter has been traded to the Yanks

DREW
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:04 pm
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That's great! I can't wait to see him get smacked around in one of his
classic 5 inning, 100 pitch performances.

He is one of the most overated players to ever play the game.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:04 pm
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Why would the yankees do that?

Mind boggling. It's like an endless appitite with them.

Ruben
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:45 pm
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PHILADELPHIA -- Al Leiter is returning to the New York area.
MLB.com has been told the Florida Marlins and the New York Yankees have
reached agreement on a deal to be announced Saturday that would send Leiter
to the Yankees for a player to be named.

Leiter, 39, was designated for assignment by the Marlins on Thursday. The
team had 10 days to release or trade the left-hander, who was 3-7, 6.64 ERA
this year as a starter and reliever.

Leiter signed a one-year, $8 million contract with the Marlins. The Yankees
are believed to be picking up part of his salary, but the Marlins will be
responsible for the bulk of his contract.

The Yankees are desperate for starting pitching. Injuries to Chien-Ming
Wang, Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown and Jaret Wright have decimated the rotation,
and recent obtainees Tim Redding and Darrell May have been ineffective.

When asked before Friday's game in Boston about the possibility of obtaining
Leiter, Yankees manager Joe Torre alluded to Leiter having pitched for both
the Yankees and Mets previously, saying, "He certainly is an experienced
guy. One thing about our ballclub, when you look at the pitching, the New
York experience factor usually carries a little weight."

Leiter was expected to provide leadership to a relatively young Marlins
rotation while offering big-game experience.

"I truly expected more success in my return to the Florida Marlins," Leiter
said in a statement released by the Marlins late Thursday. "To say I'm
disappointed with my performance is vastly understated. I understand the
organization needed to do what they had to do. It's a very good team with
expectations to win. It's just unfortunate it didn't work out for me."

"He's a real pro and a good guy," manager Jack McKeon said. "He feels
probably as bad as anybody. He's an all-around class guy, and I think we all
hate to see him go."

While Leiter provided insights to a talented staff that includes Dontrelle
Willis, Josh Beckett and A.J. Burnett, the veteran left-hander never got
into a pitching groove. From the beginning of Spring Training, through 17
games with the Marlins (including 16 starts), Leiter lacked consistency.

After suffering a loss to the Cubs on Sunday at Dolphins Stadium, Leiter's
record fell to 3-7 while his ERA rose to 6.64. Falling behind batters was a
constant problem, as evident by the fact Leiter walked 60 batters in 80
innings, while giving up 88 hits.

Cutting ties with a savvy veteran was a difficult task for the Marlins, who
were anticipating big things from a consistent winner. Leiter had a string
of winning at least 10 games in 10 straight seasons, including a 10-8 record
and 3.21 ERA for the Mets last year.

Sunday's setback started the process of the front office examining what to
do with Leiter. On Wednesday, general manager Larry Beinfest notified Leiter
that he wanted to meet with the veteran left-hander. Leiter was with his
family. Last Friday, Lori Leiter gave birth to the couple's fourth child, a
girl.

While informed of the team's decision on the phone, Leiter met later in the
day Wednesday with Beinfest at a restaurant near his Weston home.

"We spent a good amount of time together, talking about everything,"
Beinfest said. "We talked about the disappointment and how things went.
Everybody wished it would have went better."

A respected veteran with a lifetime 158-127 record, Leiter played a crucial
role in the Marlins winning the World Series in 1997. On May 11, 1996, he
tossed the first no-hitter in Marlins history, blanking the Rockies, 11-0.

But this season, his bread-and-butter pitch, his cut fastball, wasn't
finding the mark. While Leiter continued to say he felt fine physically,
scouts noted that his pitches would flatten out, and he wasn't as deceptive
as he had been.

Joe Frisaro is a reporter for MLB.com. Reporter Mark Feinsand contributed to
this article. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League
Baseball or its clubs
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:12 pm
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js242.DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:

> That's great! I can't wait to see him get smacked around in one of his
> classic 5 inning, 100 pitch performances.
>
> He is one of the most overated players to ever play the game.
>
He was an effective pitcher, winning on losing teams.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:20 pm
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"mrbrklyn" <spam-killer DeleteThis @nylxs.com> wrote in message
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> Why would the yankees do that?
>
One of their pitchers just tore his rotator cuff.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:40 pm
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On 16 Jul 2005 11:36:54 -0700, "mrbrklyn" <spam-killer.TakeThisOut@nylxs.com>
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>Why would the yankees do that?

Uh, because they have only 2 starters?

>Mind boggling. It's like an endless appitite with them.

What brilliant suggestions would you propose?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:40 pm
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"Seth Jackson" <a DeleteThis @mindspring.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 16 Jul 2005 11:36:54 -0700, "mrbrklyn" <spam-killer DeleteThis @nylxs.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Why would the yankees do that?
>
> Uh, because they have only 2 starters?
>
>>Mind boggling. It's like an endless appitite with them.
>
> What brilliant suggestions would you propose?


Bring back Dooley Womack.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:40 pm
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Another 8 million to the Yankees 200 + million dollar payroll.
Baseball needs a salary cap.


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> "Seth Jackson" <a.RemoveThis@mindspring.invalid> wrote in message
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> > On 16 Jul 2005 11:36:54 -0700, "mrbrklyn" <spam-killer.RemoveThis@nylxs.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Why would the yankees do that?
> >
> > Uh, because they have only 2 starters?
> >
> >>Mind boggling. It's like an endless appitite with them.
> >
> > What brilliant suggestions would you propose?
>
>
> Bring back Dooley Womack.
>
>
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:40 pm
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"Tunnel" <rat.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Another 8 million to the Yankees 200 + million dollar payroll.
> Baseball needs a salary cap.
>
Do you know the actual dollars involved?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:45 pm
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"Seth Jackson" <a.DeleteThis@mindspring.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 16 Jul 2005 11:36:54 -0700, "mrbrklyn" <spam-killer.DeleteThis@nylxs.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Why would the yankees do that?
>
> Uh, because they have only 2 starters?
>
> >Mind boggling. It's like an endless appitite with them.
>
> What brilliant suggestions would you propose?

The Yankees' problem is that they have a pitching staff full of old
and/or injury-prone pitchers, and can't get anybody but Johnson and Mussina
to pitch a decent amount of innings, which leaves them with an overworked
bullpen. Yet, they try to resolve this problem by acquiring the 39-year-old
(40 in October) Al Leiter, who is averaging less than 5 innings per start
(yes, less than 5--as in, he would not qualify for a win, even if he was
pitching well), to go along with his exponentially rising ERA and walk rate.
There's a reason why two teams have unceremoniously cut ties with Leiter
since December.

I always liked Leiter, and was sorry to see him leave the Mets in the
manner it happened, but it was obvious that it was not a loss, talent-wise.
If Leiter helps the Yankees, it will be sheer luck, nothing else.


--
Tracey
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:58 pm
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:45:34 GMT, "Tracey" <tmapou RemoveThis @nyc.rr.com> wrote:

>"Seth Jackson" <a RemoveThis @mindspring.invalid> wrote in message
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>> On 16 Jul 2005 11:36:54 -0700, "mrbrklyn" <spam-killer RemoveThis @nylxs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Why would the yankees do that?
>>
>> Uh, because they have only 2 starters?
>>
>> >Mind boggling. It's like an endless appitite with them.
>>
>> What brilliant suggestions would you propose?
>
> The Yankees' problem is that they have a pitching staff full of old
>and/or injury-prone pitchers, and can't get anybody but Johnson and Mussina
>to pitch a decent amount of innings, which leaves them with an overworked
>bullpen. Yet, they try to resolve this problem by acquiring the 39-year-old
>(40 in October) Al Leiter, who is averaging less than 5 innings per start
>(yes, less than 5--as in, he would not qualify for a win, even if he was
>pitching well), to go along with his exponentially rising ERA and walk rate.
>There's a reason why two teams have unceremoniously cut ties with Leiter
>since December.

You still managed to avoid the question. What better options are
available to the Yankees right now?

> I always liked Leiter, and was sorry to see him leave the Mets in the
>manner it happened, but it was obvious that it was not a loss, talent-wise.
>If Leiter helps the Yankees, it will be sheer luck, nothing else.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:58 pm
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"Seth Jackson" <a.TakeThisOut@mindspring.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:45:34 GMT, "Tracey" <tmapou.TakeThisOut@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>"Seth Jackson" <a.TakeThisOut@mindspring.invalid> wrote in message
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>>> On 16 Jul 2005 11:36:54 -0700, "mrbrklyn" <spam-killer.TakeThisOut@nylxs.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Why would the yankees do that?
>>>
>>> Uh, because they have only 2 starters?
>>>
>>> >Mind boggling. It's like an endless appitite with them.
>>>
>>> What brilliant suggestions would you propose?
>>
>> The Yankees' problem is that they have a pitching staff full of old
>>and/or injury-prone pitchers, and can't get anybody but Johnson and
>>Mussina
>>to pitch a decent amount of innings, which leaves them with an overworked
>>bullpen. Yet, they try to resolve this problem by acquiring the
>>39-year-old
>>(40 in October) Al Leiter, who is averaging less than 5 innings per start
>>(yes, less than 5--as in, he would not qualify for a win, even if he was
>>pitching well), to go along with his exponentially rising ERA and walk
>>rate.
>>There's a reason why two teams have unceremoniously cut ties with Leiter
>>since December.
>
> You still managed to avoid the question. What better options are
> available to the Yankees right now?


Dooley Womack. I believe he's in the South Carolina phonebook.
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