Krivski: Toast!

Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
<no_this_isnt DeleteThis @my_email.com>?

> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired

,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...

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On Apr 23, 12:02 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl....RemoveThis@SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
wrote:
> On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
>
> <no_this_isnt.RemoveThis@my_email.com> wrote:
> >Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
> ><no_this_isnt.RemoveThis@my_email.com>?
>
> >> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired
>
> >,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...
>
> No speculation. He has been named President of Baseball Operations and
> GM.

So Krivsky inherits a mess from O'Brien, including the Milton and
Griffey contracts, and gets just two seasons to turn everything around
before he's canned in favor of Castellini's long-time pal, Walt
Jocketty. Isn't that interesting.

Wayne Krivsky, welcome to the Dave Miley "Set Up To Fail" Reds Hall of
Shame!
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On Apr 23, 12:48 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl... RemoveThis @SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT), tom dunne <dunn... RemoveThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Apr 23, 12:02 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl... RemoveThis @SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
> >wrote:
> >> On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
>
> >> <no_this_isnt RemoveThis @my_email.com> wrote:
> >> >Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
> >> ><no_this_isnt RemoveThis @my_email.com>?
>
> >> >> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired
>
> >> >,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...
>
> >> No speculation. He has been named President of Baseball Operations and
> >> GM.
>
> >So Krivsky inherits a mess from O'Brien, including the Milton and
> >Griffey contracts, and gets just two seasons to turn everything around
> >before he's canned in favor of Castellini's long-time pal, Walt
> >Jocketty. Isn't that interesting.
>
> >Wayne Krivsky, welcome to the Dave Miley "Set Up To Fail" Reds Hall of
> >Shame!
>
> I'm most curious about the timing. Even Tony Perez got farther than this
> in to the season. What exactly does it do to can the GM at this point?
> Put another way, why not just can him *before* the season started.

I was listening to the radio while on my way to lunch, and Paul
Daugherty discussed this. Evidently, WK wasn't easy to get along with
- good baseball brain, lousy people skills. Without having any
details, Doc speculated that it was a personal conflict that led to
the surprising timing of the dismissal, and I expect the problem was
between him and Baker. Baker's due more than $10 million, so WK
couldn't win that fight, but I don't expect we'll hear anything to
that effect in the press conference.

> Say whatever you will about his short tenure, but I think you'd have a
> hard time convincing me that Krivsky didn't leave the franchise better
> off than he found it...and you can't say that for either of his two
> immediate predecessors.

Absolutely. He acquired a number of quality parts for virtually
nothing (Phillips, Burton, Hamilton/Volquez) and more importantly
didn't empty the cupboards in the high minors in an effort to "win
now." His mistakes were generally financial, and even those we're
disasters - the Stanton and Castro contracts look bad, but compared to
Eric Milton they're hardly worth mentioning.

I think WK's one real strategic mistake was the Kearns/Lopez trade,
but this mistake wasn't moving those players as much as it was dealing
with Jim Bowden. Considering some of the things DanO did, WK has
certainly been a better custodian of the franchise.
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT), tom dunne
<dunnetg RemoveThis @gmail.com> gave us:
>On Apr 23, 12:02 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl... RemoveThis @SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
>wrote:
>> On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
>> <no_this_isnt RemoveThis @my_email.com> wrote:
>> >Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
>> ><no_this_isnt RemoveThis @my_email.com>?

>> >> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired

>> >,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...

>> No speculation. He has been named President of Baseball Operations and
>> GM.

>So Krivsky inherits a mess from O'Brien, including the Milton and
>Griffey contracts, and gets just two seasons to turn everything around
>before he's canned in favor of Castellini's long-time pal, Walt
>Jocketty. Isn't that interesting.

>Wayne Krivsky, welcome to the Dave Miley "Set Up To Fail" Reds Hall of
>Shame!

Wait till y'all see what a pathological liar Jocketty is. And you'll
know when they're getting ready to trade a player. Jocketty and his
operatives within the organization will start softening him up with
well-placed half-truths with the local press, so as to turn the fans
against him. And after said player's gone, then he'll bust out the
real cheap shots.

He's your Liar now.

--
Lance

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National League Central Division Champions
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On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
<no_this_isnt RemoveThis @my_email.com> wrote:

>Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
><no_this_isnt RemoveThis @my_email.com>?
>
>> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired
>
>,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...

No speculation. He has been named President of Baseball Operations and
GM.

******************************************************************
Kevin McClave

"To justify himself, each relies on
the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT), tom dunne <dunnetg.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 23, 12:02 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl....RemoveThis@SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
>wrote:
>> On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
>>
>> <no_this_isnt.RemoveThis@my_email.com> wrote:
>> >Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
>> ><no_this_isnt.RemoveThis@my_email.com>?
>>
>> >> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired
>>
>> >,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...
>>
>> No speculation. He has been named President of Baseball Operations and
>> GM.
>
>So Krivsky inherits a mess from O'Brien, including the Milton and
>Griffey contracts, and gets just two seasons to turn everything around
>before he's canned in favor of Castellini's long-time pal, Walt
>Jocketty. Isn't that interesting.
>
>Wayne Krivsky, welcome to the Dave Miley "Set Up To Fail" Reds Hall of
>Shame!

I'm most curious about the timing. Even Tony Perez got farther than this
in to the season. What exactly does it do to can the GM at this point?
Put another way, why not just can him *before* the season started.

Say whatever you will about his short tenure, but I think you'd have a
hard time convincing me that Krivsky didn't leave the franchise better
off than he found it...and you can't say that for either of his two
immediate predecessors.

******************************************************************
Kevin McClave

"To justify himself, each relies on
the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:28:33 -0500, Lance Freezeland
<freezelandlaw.nospam.DeleteThis@consolidated.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT), tom dunne
><dunnetg.DeleteThis@gmail.com> gave us:
>>On Apr 23, 12:02 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl....DeleteThis@SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>> On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
>>> <no_this_isnt.DeleteThis@my_email.com> wrote:
>>> >Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
>>> ><no_this_isnt.DeleteThis@my_email.com>?
>
>>> >> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired
>
>>> >,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...
>
>>> No speculation. He has been named President of Baseball Operations and
>>> GM.
>
>>So Krivsky inherits a mess from O'Brien, including the Milton and
>>Griffey contracts, and gets just two seasons to turn everything around
>>before he's canned in favor of Castellini's long-time pal, Walt
>>Jocketty. Isn't that interesting.
>
>>Wayne Krivsky, welcome to the Dave Miley "Set Up To Fail" Reds Hall of
>>Shame!
>
>Wait till y'all see what a pathological liar Jocketty is. And you'll
>know when they're getting ready to trade a player. Jocketty and his
>operatives within the organization will start softening him up with
>well-placed half-truths with the local press, so as to turn the fans
>against him. And after said player's gone, then he'll bust out the
>real cheap shots.
>
>He's your Liar now.

We got used to that for a decade or so until 2003.

Is he going to be a Dunn fan or not?

******************************************************************
Kevin McClave

"To justify himself, each relies on
the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:49:34 -0400, Kevin McClave
<kmcclave.TakeThisOut@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> gave us:
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:28:33 -0500, Lance Freezeland
><freezelandlaw.nospam.TakeThisOut@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT), tom dunne
>><dunnetg.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> gave us:
>>>On Apr 23, 12:02 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl....TakeThisOut@SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
>>>> <no_this_isnt.TakeThisOut@my_email.com> wrote:
>>>> >Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
>>>> ><no_this_isnt.TakeThisOut@my_email.com>?

>>>> >> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired

>>>> >,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...

>>>> No speculation. He has been named President of Baseball Operations and
>>>> GM.

>>>So Krivsky inherits a mess from O'Brien, including the Milton and
>>>Griffey contracts, and gets just two seasons to turn everything around
>>>before he's canned in favor of Castellini's long-time pal, Walt
>>>Jocketty. Isn't that interesting.

>>>Wayne Krivsky, welcome to the Dave Miley "Set Up To Fail" Reds Hall of
>>>Shame!

>>Wait till y'all see what a pathological liar Jocketty is. And you'll
>>know when they're getting ready to trade a player. Jocketty and his
>>operatives within the organization will start softening him up with
>>well-placed half-truths with the local press, so as to turn the fans
>>against him. And after said player's gone, then he'll bust out the
>>real cheap shots.

>>He's your Liar now.

>We got used to that for a decade or so until 2003.

>Is he going to be a Dunn fan or not?

This is pure speculation, but I'd say no. From a skills standpoint,
the player on the Cardinals who was most similar to Dunn was Chris
Duncan: Tall, left-handed, playing left field but probably oughta be
at first base, three true outcome type of guy. And I don't recall
Jocketty being much of a Duncan fan. He had to keep his mouth shut
about it because Duncan's father was in the dugout, but every chance
he got, he shipped him back to Memphis.

--
Lance

"Here's Rolen. He could give the Cardinals the lead.
The pitch to him. Swing! And get up, baby! Get up!
Get up! Get up! Get up! HOME RUN! Rolen has just given
the Cardinals a 4-2 lead. He smoked it. ... Listen,
LIS-TEN to Cardinal Nation!"
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In article <4qou045o9f8lol0vo3odtp1mhvp720mb3a.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
freezelandlaw.nospam.DeleteThis@consolidated.net says...
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT), tom dunne
> <dunnetg.DeleteThis@gmail.com> gave us:
> >On Apr 23, 12:02 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl....DeleteThis@SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
> >wrote:
> >> On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
> >> <no_this_isnt.DeleteThis@my_email.com> wrote:
> >> >Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
> >> ><no_this_isnt.DeleteThis@my_email.com>?
>
> >> >> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired
>
> >> >,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...
>
> >> No speculation. He has been named President of Baseball Operations and
> >> GM.
>
> >So Krivsky inherits a mess from O'Brien, including the Milton and
> >Griffey contracts, and gets just two seasons to turn everything around
> >before he's canned in favor of Castellini's long-time pal, Walt
> >Jocketty. Isn't that interesting.
>
> >Wayne Krivsky, welcome to the Dave Miley "Set Up To Fail" Reds Hall of
> >Shame!
>
> Wait till y'all see what a pathological liar Jocketty is. And you'll
> know when they're getting ready to trade a player. Jocketty and his
> operatives within the organization will start softening him up with
> well-placed half-truths with the local press, so as to turn the fans
> against him. And after said player's gone, then he'll bust out the
> real cheap shots.
>
> He's your Liar now.

I'll second Lance's opinion - it was sad how often the organization
would smear a player as a prelude to getting rid of them, most notably
how they treated Ray Lankford.

--
Dan Szymborski
dan.DeleteThis@baseballprimer.REMOVE.com

"A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is
not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."
- Robert Schumann
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Orange J. Dood wrote:

>Krisvky fired

That's cold-hearted!

It would be interesting to hear the inside
story. I don't think Wayne had the best
bedside manner. Maybe it's just Castellini
wanted his favorite guy in there.
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tom dunne wrote:
> On Apr 23, 12:02 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl....DeleteThis@SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
>> On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
>>> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired

> So Krivsky inherits a mess from O'Brien, including the Milton and
> Griffey contracts, and gets just two seasons to turn everything around
> before he's canned in favor of Castellini's long-time pal, Walt
> Jocketty. Isn't that interesting.

Everybody who saw this coming, Raise your hand.

Yeah, me neither.

> Wayne Krivsky, welcome to the Dave Miley "Set Up To Fail" Reds Hall of
> Shame!

The press was constantly hammering on how Krivsky was so tight lipped.
And Dusty sure has thrown him under the bus. Dusty's comments about
Stanton and Hatteberg have pretty much killed any trade value there. The
Fogg/Belisle thing was announced in a weird way as well.

If Castellini wants to turn things around quicker than he has, he better
be ready to pony up some serious cash.

dfs
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"Lance Freezeland" <freezelandlaw.nospam RemoveThis @consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT), tom dunne
> <dunnetg RemoveThis @gmail.com> gave us:
>>On Apr 23, 12:02 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl... RemoveThis @SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>> On 23 Apr 2008 11:58:13 -0500, "Orange J. Dood"
>>> <no_this_isnt RemoveThis @my_email.com> wrote:
>>> >Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, "Orange J. Dood"
>>> ><no_this_isnt RemoveThis @my_email.com>?
>
>>> >> Enquirer is reporting Wayne Krivski has been fired
>
>>> >,,,and let the Walt Jocketty speculation begin...
>
>>> No speculation. He has been named President of Baseball Operations and
>>> GM.
>
>>So Krivsky inherits a mess from O'Brien, including the Milton and
>>Griffey contracts, and gets just two seasons to turn everything around
>>before he's canned in favor of Castellini's long-time pal, Walt
>>Jocketty. Isn't that interesting.
>
>>Wayne Krivsky, welcome to the Dave Miley "Set Up To Fail" Reds Hall of
>>Shame!
>
> Wait till y'all see what a pathological liar Jocketty is. And you'll
> know when they're getting ready to trade a player. Jocketty and his
> operatives within the organization will start softening him up with
> well-placed half-truths with the local press, so as to turn the fans
> against him. And after said player's gone, then he'll bust out the
> real cheap shots.
>
> He's your Liar now.

Alright, enough drama. What we really need to know is his philosophy around
what we always talk around here, sabermetrics. Wasn't part of the reason he
was let go because he was "old fashioned" in his methods of evaluating
talent? I couldn't find that article.
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In article <480ffb1b$0$5710$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
rja DeleteThis @nospam.cinci.rr.com says...
> "Lance Freezeland" <freezelandlaw.nospam DeleteThis @consolidated.net> wrote in message
> news:4qou045o9f8lol0vo3odtp1mhvp720mb3a@4ax.com...
> >
> > Wait till y'all see what a pathological liar Jocketty is. And you'll
> > know when they're getting ready to trade a player. Jocketty and his
> > operatives within the organization will start softening him up with
> > well-placed half-truths with the local press, so as to turn the fans
> > against him. And after said player's gone, then he'll bust out the
> > real cheap shots.
> >
> > He's your Liar now.
>
> Alright, enough drama. What we really need to know is his philosophy around
> what we always talk around here, sabermetrics. Wasn't part of the reason he
> was let go because he was "old fashioned" in his methods of evaluating
> talent? I couldn't find that article.

It was more than that, even. Jocketty simply refused to operate in a
front office that was run like a business and refused to cooperate with
parts of the organization that he wasn't the dictator of. DeWitt was
trying to overhaul a very weak player development system and replaced
Jocketty's buddy, Bruce Manno, with Jeff Luhnow, a guy with very
different ideas and Jocketty responded to that by simply not talking to
that entire department. DeWitt gave Jocketty plenty of time to grow up,
but Jocketty never did, so he simply had to leave.

Jocketty's a decent baseball guy, he's not like Dave Littlefield or
Buzzie's Other Idiot Son, he's just not a guy I particularly would want
to be in charge of my nine-figure-generating business.

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Dan Szymborski
dan DeleteThis @baseballprimer.REMOVE.com

"A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is
not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."
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