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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:40 am
Post subject: Konerko
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| Is it time to bench Konerko and let him earn his way back into the lineup?
I liked it much better with Swisher on first and Anderson and Wise sharing
center. If Thome wasn't heating up it would be a given to platoon him and
Konerko.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:40 am
Post subject: Re: Konerko [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Jeff D." <djdieterle.RemoveThis@hughes.net> wrote in message
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> Is it time to bench Konerko and let him earn his way back into the lineup?
> I liked it much better with Swisher on first and Anderson and Wise sharing
> center. If Thome wasn't heating up it would be a given to platoon him and
> Konerko.
Re:balk
Konerko has been struggling and you have to wonder "why"?
But you can see the determination that makes a winner in more than one way.
It's the same with A.J. One way or the other they're trying to win,.
I think that these past two weeks has been a redevelopment stage for Paul.
That was a bad call by the plate umpire on the second strike in yesterday's
loss - even Texas' review of the pitch had shown that it was out of the
zone.
Can you imagine such a bad call and how it effects your eye?
Sure, I don't like bad calls by the home plate umpires and since there are
now instant reviews, they should send the "proof" to directly to the HP
umpire. If these umps continue to show errant judgment, they should be
demoted. A count of 3-1 vs. 2-2 makes a big difference in eye confidence.
These umpires need to be restricted to several bad calls a game - not in an
inning (as the Texas broadcast had shown). Many strike calls didn't even
"touch" the zone, unbelievable!
I can't condemn Konerko after the horrendously out of place second strike
call that he was victimized with.
After that, you have to expect a lot of unnecessary doubt, not only in the
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:55 am
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thomas hagen wrote:
> "Jeff D." <djdieterle DeleteThis @hughes.net> wrote in message
> news:%LHek.216697$pm2.176731@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>> Is it time to bench Konerko and let him earn his way back into the lineup?
>> I liked it much better with Swisher on first and Anderson and Wise sharing
>> center. If Thome wasn't heating up it would be a given to platoon him and
>> Konerko.
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> Re:balk
> Konerko has been struggling and you have to wonder "why"?
> But you can see the determination that makes a winner in more than one way.
> It's the same with A.J. One way or the other they're trying to win,.
> I think that these past two weeks has been a redevelopment stage for Paul.
> That was a bad call by the plate umpire on the second strike in yesterday's
> loss - even Texas' review of the pitch had shown that it was out of the
> zone.
> Can you imagine such a bad call and how it effects your eye?
> Sure, I don't like bad calls by the home plate umpires and since there are
> now instant reviews, they should send the "proof" to directly to the HP
> umpire. If these umps continue to show errant judgment, they should be
> demoted. A count of 3-1 vs. 2-2 makes a big difference in eye confidence.
> These umpires need to be restricted to several bad calls a game - not in an
> inning (as the Texas broadcast had shown). Many strike calls didn't even
> "touch" the zone, unbelievable!
> I can't condemn Konerko after the horrendously out of place second strike
> call that he was victimized with.
> After that, you have to expect a lot of unnecessary doubt, not only in the
> batter's mind, but in cohesion with the game.
Bad call or no, on a 3-2 count you have to protect the plate, and on a
3-1 count you don't swing at ball 4.
--
Jim Squire
This Blog Has No Title, Just Words and Links
http://jamessquire.blogspot.com/
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:49 am
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Both his and Thome's last at bats were disappointing Sunday, called 3rd
strike with bases juiced. Anyway Konerko's problems have been with him all
year, .217 ba, 34 rbis, do to injuries or not. I don't think we can carry
him and hold first place, I'd give him a couple weeks after the break to put
it together, hoping he can figure it out... if not ride the pine for awhile.
"James Squire" <JamesSquire RemoveThis @charter.net> wrote in message
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> thomas hagen wrote:
>> "Jeff D." <djdieterle RemoveThis @hughes.net> wrote in message
>> news:%LHek.216697$pm2.176731@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> Is it time to bench Konerko and let him earn his way back into the
>>> lineup? I liked it much better with Swisher on first and Anderson and
>>> Wise sharing center. If Thome wasn't heating up it would be a given to
>>> platoon him and Konerko.
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>> Re:balk
>> Konerko has been struggling and you have to wonder "why"?
>> But you can see the determination that makes a winner in more than one
>> way.
>> It's the same with A.J. One way or the other they're trying to win,.
>> I think that these past two weeks has been a redevelopment stage for
>> Paul.
>> That was a bad call by the plate umpire on the second strike in
>> yesterday's loss - even Texas' review of the pitch had shown that it was
>> out of the zone.
>> Can you imagine such a bad call and how it effects your eye?
>> Sure, I don't like bad calls by the home plate umpires and since there
>> are now instant reviews, they should send the "proof" to directly to the
>> HP umpire. If these umps continue to show errant judgment, they should be
>> demoted. A count of 3-1 vs. 2-2 makes a big difference in eye confidence.
>> These umpires need to be restricted to several bad calls a game - not in
>> an inning (as the Texas broadcast had shown). Many strike calls didn't
>> even "touch" the zone, unbelievable!
>> I can't condemn Konerko after the horrendously out of place second strike
>> call that he was victimized with.
>> After that, you have to expect a lot of unnecessary doubt, not only in
>> the batter's mind, but in cohesion with the game.
>
> Bad call or no, on a 3-2 count you have to protect the plate, and on a 3-1
> count you don't swing at ball 4.
> --
> Jim Squire
> This Blog Has No Title, Just Words and Links
> http://jamessquire.blogspot.com/
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> Grinder Rule #39: Be a man.
> Play like a boy. >> Stay informed about: Konerko |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:15 pm
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On Jul 14, 5:00 pm, "Steve In Louisville"
<Notreceivings....RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Jeff D." <djdiete....RemoveThis@hughes.net> wrote in message
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> > Is it time to bench Konerko and let him earn his way back into the lineup?
> > I liked it much better with Swisher on first and Anderson and Wise sharing
> > center. If Thome wasn't heating up it would be a given to platoon him and
> > Konerko.
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> I'd be much more interested in finding out what is ailing Contreras and
> Vasquez and remedying those two before going after Konerko.
Agreed, the problems of Vasquez & Contreras are much more problematic
near term. You need more than 3 effective starters. >> Stay informed about: Konerko |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:57 pm
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"Jeff D." <djdieterle DeleteThis @hughes.net> wrote in message
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> Both his and Thome's last at bats were disappointing Sunday, called 3rd
> strike with bases juiced. Anyway Konerko's problems have been with him all
> year, .217 ba, 34 rbis, do to injuries or not. I don't think we can carry
> him and hold first place, I'd give him a couple weeks after the break to
> put it together, hoping he can figure it out... if not ride the pine for
> awhile.
>
Disappointing, yes, but there were only runners on 1st and 2nd.
There is no way you bench Konerko. He was 4 for 4 in Saturday's game before
he was pulled; he'll heat up again. >> Stay informed about: Konerko |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:00 pm
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"Jeff D." <djdieterle.TakeThisOut@hughes.net> wrote in message
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> Is it time to bench Konerko and let him earn his way back into the lineup?
> I liked it much better with Swisher on first and Anderson and Wise sharing
> center. If Thome wasn't heating up it would be a given to platoon him and
> Konerko.
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I'd be much more interested in finding out what is ailing Contreras and
Vasquez and remedying those two before going after Konerko. >> Stay informed about: Konerko |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:56 pm
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The difference the way I see it is, Konerko has been down the entire season.
Vasquez & Contreras are hopefully going through a dead arm period and will
return to the form they displayed earlier in the season, that helped us get
into and hold 1st place.
I know he was 4-4 the game before but I'm not basing my opinion on a single
game or series, but the season to date.
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On Jul 14, 5:00 pm, "Steve In Louisville"
<Notreceivings... DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Jeff D." <djdiete... DeleteThis @hughes.net> wrote in message
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> > Is it time to bench Konerko and let him earn his way back into the
> > lineup?
> > I liked it much better with Swisher on first and Anderson and Wise
> > sharing
> > center. If Thome wasn't heating up it would be a given to platoon him
> > and
> > Konerko.
>
> I'd be much more interested in finding out what is ailing Contreras and
> Vasquez and remedying those two before going after Konerko.
Agreed, the problems of Vasquez & Contreras are much more problematic
near term. You need more than 3 effective starters. >> Stay informed about: Konerko |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:04 pm
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>Agreed, the problems of Vasquez & Contreras are much more problematic
>near term. You need more than 3 effective starters.
I guess I'm not suire what everyone here expects from these guys. They
are both pitching exactly the way they have their entire careers
Vasquez is a .500 pitcher with a high 4 to low 5 ERA. Last year was a
career yearit seems and he is just returning to the Vasquez we traded
for. The reason Conteras is here is that he didn't ptch with any
consistency in NY. He was either unhittable or got his brains beat out
with very little in between. That's what we are getting here. Why
would you expect these guy to be different than they have been their
whole careers?
Jim
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