Pirates will name John Russell

On Nov 4, 8:42 pm, "GraveDigger" <A....DeleteThis@Anon.com> wrote:

> I don't think it's jumping the gun at all. It's just another example of the
> organization not wanting to spend any money! Mark it down, on November 4,
> 2007 I predict that the 2008 Pirates will have ANOTHER losing season! Take
> it to the bank! Until Nutting leaves, nothing will change.

mmmm, another losing season in 2008 - not really going out on a limb
here are we now?

Spending money at this point is not going to turn the franchise around
and spending money on a manager certainly isn't going to make much
difference either.

A lot of things are going to have to happen before a winning season
is in the cards, manager is the least of the teams issues at this
point. A little patience wouldn't hurt right now.
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mmm....
interesting item contained in the John Russell hiring news; apparently
Lloyd McClendon refused comment when asked about his former coach
being hired.

Speculative of course but maybe there was some clash between the new
Pirate manager and the former regime... that can't be bad.
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On Nov 5, 1:04 pm, "GraveDigger" <A... RemoveThis @Anon.com> wrote:
> Patience? What do you call the last 15 years?

Well see there's the problem; too many people were patient when they
shouldn't have been and now lacking patience when it's justified.

There's been as complete a purging of the old guard in the front
office as possible and the last 15 years is not the current group's
fault: it's water under the bridge.

It may very well be that by mid season I'll be as dismayed as you are
and the new team turns out to be as bad as the old, but they deserve
the benefit of the doubt and a chance to show what they've got.

> A manager has to be strong to
> deal with the players. An inexperienced, low-paid manager isn't going to do
> a thing for this team. NUTTING HAS TO GO!

An experienced high-paid manager isn't going to do anything either...
manager good or bad is not the Pirates' problem - lack of talent is.
The only thing that is going to help is new bodies with skills and
that is going to take some time to acquire. It might even mean some
of "our" favorites get traded to make it happen.

You can't seem to get your head around the fact that nothing is going
to turn things around in a year or two and want instant results. It's
going to be at least until June's draft until we even have any
indication whether things will improve sooner rather than later so
just sit tight and let's see what they can come up with.

If they draft another middling pitcher with the second pick overall,
I'll meet you at Nutting's office with the pitch-forks, you bring the
torches.
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On Nov 5, 2:36 pm, p62c61 <p62....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 1:04 pm, "GraveDigger" <A....DeleteThis@Anon.com> wrote:
>
> > Patience? What do you call the last 15 years?
>
> Well see there's the problem; too many people were patient when they
> shouldn't have been and now lacking patience when it's justified.
>
> There's been as complete a purging of the old guard in the front
> office as possible and the last 15 years is not the current group's
> fault: it's water under the bridge.
>
> It may very well be that by mid season I'll be as dismayed as you are
> and the new team turns out to be as bad as the old, but they deserve
> the benefit of the doubt and a chance to show what they've got.
>
> > A manager has to be strong to
> > deal with the players. An inexperienced, low-paid manager isn't going to do
> > a thing for this team. NUTTING HAS TO GO!
>
> An experienced high-paid manager isn't going to do anything either...
> manager good or bad is not the Pirates' problem - lack of talent is.
> The only thing that is going to help is new bodies with skills and
> that is going to take some time to acquire. It might even mean some
> of "our" favorites get traded to make it happen.
>
> You can't seem to get your head around the fact that nothing is going
> to turn things around in a year or two and want instant results. It's
> going to be at least until June's draft until we even have any
> indication whether things will improve sooner rather than later so
> just sit tight and let's see what they can come up with.
>
> If they draft another middling pitcher with the second pick overall,
> I'll meet you at Nutting's office with the pitch-forks, you bring the
> torches.

Are you sure you're not Bob Smizik? He said basically the same thing
in his chat today (except for the Pitchforks). I agree with you and
I'll be there at the Pirates office with my pitchfork if the worst
comes to pass.
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"p62c61" <p62c61 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 4, 8:42 pm, "GraveDigger" <A... DeleteThis @Anon.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think it's jumping the gun at all. It's just another example of
>> the
>> organization not wanting to spend any money! Mark it down, on November 4,
>> 2007 I predict that the 2008 Pirates will have ANOTHER losing season!
>> Take
>> it to the bank! Until Nutting leaves, nothing will change.
>
> mmmm, another losing season in 2008 - not really going out on a limb
> here are we now?
>
> Spending money at this point is not going to turn the franchise around
> and spending money on a manager certainly isn't going to make much
> difference either.
>
> A lot of things are going to have to happen before a winning season
> is in the cards, manager is the least of the teams issues at this
> point. A little patience wouldn't hurt right now.
>
>
>
>
Patience? What do you call the last 15 years? A manager has to be strong to
deal with the players. An inexperienced, low-paid manager isn't going to do
a thing for this team. NUTTING HAS TO GO!
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"p62c61" <p62c61.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 5, 1:04 pm, "GraveDigger" <A....DeleteThis@Anon.com> wrote:
>> Patience? What do you call the last 15 years?
>
> Well see there's the problem; too many people were patient when they
> shouldn't have been and now lacking patience when it's justified.
>
> There's been as complete a purging of the old guard in the front
> office as possible and the last 15 years is not the current group's
> fault: it's water under the bridge.
>
> It may very well be that by mid season I'll be as dismayed as you are
> and the new team turns out to be as bad as the old, but they deserve
> the benefit of the doubt and a chance to show what they've got.
>
>> A manager has to be strong to
>> deal with the players. An inexperienced, low-paid manager isn't going to
>> do
>> a thing for this team. NUTTING HAS TO GO!
>
> An experienced high-paid manager isn't going to do anything either...
> manager good or bad is not the Pirates' problem - lack of talent is.
> The only thing that is going to help is new bodies with skills and
> that is going to take some time to acquire. It might even mean some
> of "our" favorites get traded to make it happen.
>
> You can't seem to get your head around the fact that nothing is going
> to turn things around in a year or two and want instant results. It's
> going to be at least until June's draft until we even have any
> indication whether things will improve sooner rather than later so
> just sit tight and let's see what they can come up with.
>
> If they draft another middling pitcher with the second pick overall,
> I'll meet you at Nutting's office with the pitch-forks, you bring the
> torches.
>

Let's set a date! While I understand that nothing is going to change over
night. I don't think anything is going to change as long as "cheap ass"
Nutting owns the team. Russell will be the new sock puppet of the Nutting
Nothing ownership team.
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