Jays pick the wrong time to go from great to worse.

> I can't believe this is the same team from a month ago.
>
> I said this in May as well.
>
> We can't beat Detroit and Baltimore, and now next week we play the Yanks
and
> BoSox.
>
> Everything we were doing in June and July, has now turned to everything we
> did in May.
>
>
They will be out of the playoff race by the all-star break the way there
going. Anything more than 5 games out equals no playoff chance. When you
look at the pitchers, there's no way they can compete with the Yanks, Red
Sox, or A's and they will have to be ahead of two of those teams in order to
make the playoffs. Not only is the pitching dreadful their team defense is
dreadful. And to make it worse their bats have vanished the past 15 games. I
can see why Beane dumped Lidle and his contract, he's a waste of a rotation
spot for the A's and Beane knew that. Lidle's era is nearing 6 now.
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Pitching, pitching, pitching, looking at all the pitchers in the bullpen,
none are reliable. I say they need to trade for some young, talented
pitching because this is definitely not the year.
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Um, didin;t the jays set a team record for wins in may??

methinks you mean april!

in which case, yep!

"Paul Collett" <boomer RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I can't believe this is the same team from a month ago.
>
> I said this in May as well.
>
> We can't beat Detroit and Baltimore, and now next week we play the Yanks
and
> BoSox.
>
> Everything we were doing in June and July, has now turned to everything we
> did in May.
>
>
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Yes. I said in May, I can't believe this is the same team, regarding April.
Now it's July, and I can't believe it's the same team from a month agao,
meaning June.
"Neal Smith" <nealsmith.RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Um, didin;t the jays set a team record for wins in may??
>
> methinks you mean april!
>
> in which case, yep!
>
> "Paul Collett" <boomer.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GQKNa.75753$2ay.26480@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > I can't believe this is the same team from a month ago.
> >
> > I said this in May as well.
> >
> > We can't beat Detroit and Baltimore, and now next week we play the Yanks
> and
> > BoSox.
> >
> > Everything we were doing in June and July, has now turned to everything
we
> > did in May.
> >
> >
>
>
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slapme wrote
Pitching, pitching, pitching, looking at all the pitchers in the
bullpen, none are reliable. I say they need to trade for some young,
talented pitching because this is definitely not the year.

doc
you will never convince the stat geeks
in this group pitching wins games...they
covet obp and a 1st base man who has although had an outstanding first
half...
will go in the dumper in the 2nd...just
like the team will....with guys like
A's cast off Liddle.(oh yea jp)...lets not forget who still consumes a
big chunk of the pay chegues and why?

.....and wait and see what Hinske wants to play here down the
road...time to get back to basics and pitching is the basic
that year after year controls who is still
playing in October...
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> doc
> you will never convince the stat geeks
> in this group pitching wins games...

Tell this to the Dodgers...no one wins if the score is 0-0, right?

The key is a balance of pitching and hitting...
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bushdoctor48.TakeThisOut@webtv.net 's $0.02 worth:
$ you will never convince the stat geeks
$in this group pitching wins games...they
$covet obp and a 1st base man who has although had an outstanding first
$half...

That hurts. And for the record, I don't think anyone is silly enough to
suggest that pitching isn't in the equation at all. I believe it has been
stressed that a healthy balance between effective pitching and a good offense
(one that knows the value of getting on base) is key. Understand yet? Or do
you still have the blinders on? If you need an example, go take a look at
Oakland and the Yanks.

$will go in the dumper in the 2nd...just
$like the team will....with guys like

I hope not.

$A's cast off Liddle.(oh yea jp)...lets not forget who still consumes a
$big chunk of the pay chegues and why?

Lidle wasn't exactly a cast off. He was considered an effective pitcher.
Problem is that he tends to have significant slumps through the year. He
isn't terribly consistent. It's either really good, or really bad.

$....and wait and see what Hinske wants to play here down the
$road...time to get back to basics and pitching is the basic
$that year after year controls who is still
$playing in October...

The bullpen needs work. The starting pitching hasn't been too bad...but
there is still room for improvement.
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walsh wrote
That hurts. And for the record, I don't think anyone is silly enough
to suggest that pitching isn't in the equation at all. I believe it has
been stressed that a healthy balance between effective pitching and a
good offense (one that knows the value of getting on base) is key.
Understand yet? Or do you still have the blinders on? If you need an
example, go take a look at Oakland and the Yanks.

doc
never did have blinders on...you do as usual...for what ever suites
you at the time...I would never be so naive to think that a balanced
team does not work..
but as stated before if you don't get the side out on a regular
basis..you ain't gona be around come october..get it yet don!
even if you load the bases every inning..

why should I look at the yanks or the a's?
..did they win the world series last year
and you know what killed em pitching..
particularly the a's...who had a great staff
and great offence to....as for the yanks who cares..stinkbrener buys
whatever
they need ....but it still did not make them
winners last year...ta da

the point I am trying to make is that the jays have tried to rely on a
killer offence for to many seasons..and keeping an over paid and over
priced 1st baseman is hurting them
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walsh 1/2 a cent worth
Understand yet? Or do you still have the blinders on? If you need
an example, go take a look at Oakland and the Yanks.

doc
by the way don just for the record the i dont give a rats ass what the
yanks or the
a's do...just concerned about my team...
who by the way are 3rd in the al at obp
and 11th in team era..also tied with the tigers for saves ..rest my case
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