Isringhausen

"Tom" <drsoong.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 20, 4:24 pm, "Tonto" <nob....RemoveThis@home.com> wrote:
> Why do we have to endure Isringhausen entering the game with anything less
> than a 4-5 run lead. He can no longer "close" a game with the quality of
> hitters in the game today.
>
> In fact, let's get rid of him.


There are 8 million reasons the Cardinals won't get rid of Izzy. I
imagine if you pick up the rest of his contract, the Cards might
follow your advice.

Izzy is still pitching well enough to hold on to. OK, lets say we "get rid"
of him, there is no one any better in relief on the staff. I still say the
problem is his confidence has been shaken, he sill seems to have good skill.
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On Jul 21, 9:57 am, "Fred" <a_f_dea... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Tonto" <nob... DeleteThis @home.com> wrote in message
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> >I don't have any way or need to verify the "8 million" dollar figure.
> > Nevertheless, you are right, an 8 million dollar "piece of crow" is hard
> > to
> > eat.
>
> > However, I do disagree with your statement that "there is no one any
> > better
> > in relief on the staff".  That is wrong.
>
> Look at the blown saves! St Louis is second only to San Diego in blown
> saves. The problem is more than Izzy.

'blown saves' is a lousy stat...especially since there can be multiple
BS in one game...


HankC
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I don't have any way or need to verify the "8 million" dollar figure.
Nevertheless, you are right, an 8 million dollar "piece of crow" is hard to
eat.

However, I do disagree with your statement that "there is no one any better
in relief on the staff". That is wrong.
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"Tonto" <nobody.RemoveThis@home.com> wrote in message
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>I don't have any way or need to verify the "8 million" dollar figure.
> Nevertheless, you are right, an 8 million dollar "piece of crow" is hard
> to
> eat.
>
> However, I do disagree with your statement that "there is no one any
> better
> in relief on the staff". That is wrong.

Look at the blown saves! St Louis is second only to San Diego in blown
saves. The problem is more than Izzy.
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Say it isn't so. We will not be able to win a NL championship this year
without a bullpen. I can only hope this MLB report doesn't remain true...
http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/mozeliak_nothing_imminent.html
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:00:42 GMT, "Tonto" <nobody RemoveThis @home.com> wrote:

>Say it isn't so. We will not be able to win a NL championship this year
>without a bullpen. I can only hope this MLB report doesn't remain true...
>http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/mozeliak_nothing_imminent.html

Why not? The Cardinals right now are 2 games out playing with what
they have. Waiting for Wainright and Carpenter makes sense. Why get
rid of hot prospects (which is what we'd have to do) for a quick fix.
Some of the relievers available are in their last contract year. I'm
not for giving up a good prospect for someone who's going to give us
less that two dozen innings before they're gone.
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On Jul 21, 9:00 am, "Tonto" <nob....RemoveThis@home.com> wrote:
> Say it isn't so. We will not be able to win a NL championship this year
> without a bullpen. I can only hope this MLB report doesn't remain true...http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/mozeliak_nothing_imminent....

That's actually GOOD news. You want another "Haren for Mulder"
debacle?
I still maintain that this young upcoming team (plus our few veterans)
will provide us with some years of good old-fashioned home-team
thrills. Anyway, the Cardinals don't exactly have the most sought-
after group of farm players.
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"LidsvilleNine" <LidsvilleNine RemoveThis @embarqmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 21, 9:00 am, "Tonto" <nob... RemoveThis @home.com> wrote:
>> Say it isn't so. We will not be able to win a NL championship this year
>> without a bullpen. I can only hope this MLB report doesn't remain
>> true...http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/mozeliak_nothing_imminent....
>
> That's actually GOOD news. You want another "Haren for Mulder"
> debacle?
> I still maintain that this young upcoming team (plus our few veterans)
> will provide us with some years of good old-fashioned home-team
> thrills. Anyway, the Cardinals don't exactly have the most sought-
> after group of farm players.

Don't forget Daric Barton in that same trade. I'm surprised he's not doing
very well with Oakland this year. Also, he apparently dove into a swimming
pool over the break, hit his head on the bottom and is on the DL.

AJM
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In article <g62s3n$hfk$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>,
"CardsFan" <me.DeleteThis@here.com> wrote:

> "LidsvilleNine" <LidsvilleNine.DeleteThis@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
> news:57bc093f-bd06-4cba-8e18-3f1c860483d6@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 21, 9:00 am, "Tonto" <nob....DeleteThis@home.com> wrote:
> >> Say it isn't so. We will not be able to win a NL championship this year
> >> without a bullpen. I can only hope this MLB report doesn't remain
> >> true...http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/mozeliak_nothing_imminent
> >> ....
> >
> > That's actually GOOD news. You want another "Haren for Mulder"
> > debacle?
> > I still maintain that this young upcoming team (plus our few veterans)
> > will provide us with some years of good old-fashioned home-team
> > thrills. Anyway, the Cardinals don't exactly have the most sought-
> > after group of farm players.
>
> Don't forget Daric Barton in that same trade. I'm surprised he's not doing
> very well with Oakland this year. Also, he apparently dove into a swimming
> pool over the break, hit his head on the bottom and is on the DL.

And probably thanking God profusely that he didn't break his neck.

--
JD

"...if you think the 'Star Wars' prequels are a disease, then
'Serenity' is the cure."
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"HankC" <clarkc DeleteThis @missouri.edu> wrote in message
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On Jul 21, 9:57 am, "Fred" <a_f_dea... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Look at the blown saves! St Louis is second only to San Diego in blown
>> saves. The problem is more than Izzy.

>'blown saves' is a lousy stat...especially since there can be multiple
>BS in one game...


How long can we try to rely on Franklin in that role? This season, he's the
"peter principle" personified--found success as a set-up guy, but when
bumped up to closer he's over his depth. If we can't get Izzy straightened
out to retake the role, and the team refused to start acclimating Perez for
the role ASAP, we'd better trade for a closer. I understand the thinking
about not wasting prospects on "rent-a-player" type deals, but how can
ownership refuse to make a move to keep this team competitive down the
stretch when obvious needs can be filled? This team is busting its ass,
often winning in spite of blown saves. Think about where this team might be
if the back end of the bullpen was getting the job done.

Stratbat
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"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwdjsd RemoveThis @NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote in message
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> In article <g62s3n$hfk$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>,
> "CardsFan" <me RemoveThis @here.com> wrote:
>
>> "LidsvilleNine" <LidsvilleNine RemoveThis @embarqmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:57bc093f-bd06-4cba-8e18-3f1c860483d6@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Jul 21, 9:00 am, "Tonto" <nob... RemoveThis @home.com> wrote:
>> >> Say it isn't so. We will not be able to win a NL championship this
>> >> year
>> >> without a bullpen. I can only hope this MLB report doesn't remain
>> >> true...http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/mozeliak_nothing_imminent
>> >> ....
>> >
>> > That's actually GOOD news. You want another "Haren for Mulder"
>> > debacle?
>> > I still maintain that this young upcoming team (plus our few veterans)
>> > will provide us with some years of good old-fashioned home-team
>> > thrills. Anyway, the Cardinals don't exactly have the most sought-
>> > after group of farm players.
>>
>> Don't forget Daric Barton in that same trade. I'm surprised he's not
>> doing
>> very well with Oakland this year. Also, he apparently dove into a
>> swimming
>> pool over the break, hit his head on the bottom and is on the DL.
>
> And probably thanking God profusely that he didn't break his neck.
>


What a wierd injury for Daric Barton. It is a miricle he does not have a
compressed vertebre.

OK,There really is not anything out there Wainwright and Carpenter are
probably a good gamble to wait for.

Hitting needs to be addressed. Duncan needs to go to the bench.

Franklin isn't the solution to the relief situation, and Izzy has not
convinced me that his problem is not mental. The best solution is for the
cardinals to use what they have. Hey 13 over 500 and two out of first place
after the all star game is far better than anyone was expecting
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On Jul 21, 8:33 am, "Tonto" <nob... RemoveThis @home.com> wrote:

> However, I do disagree with your statement that "there is no one any better
> in relief on the staff".  That is wrong.

OK, name a better reliever. The others are stinking up the joint
too. In the horrible 12-11 loss the week before Saturday, Izzy was
awful, but so were three other Cardinal relievers. Franklin was the
goat in relief last night.
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Can't argue with continuing based on the 13 over .500. However, it is going
to take "something" extra to get above the Cubs AND the Brewers and stay
there for a position in the NL final 4.
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