Instant replay

"AguaGirl" <someone RemoveThis @somewhere.net> wrote in message
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> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew it had
> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is being
> put together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think
> it should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager 1
> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to call
> on it when they want.
>
> AG
It will open a can of worms.. I wonder what becomes of the "neighborhood"
play at 2nd base on double plays and such? Just to name one. And won't it be
nice to slow the game down a bit while we watch the chief umpire duck his
head under a sheet like the umpire in football. But having said that, I know
it's inevitable, so what the hell, why not now.

S.
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On 2008-05-23 00:37:56 -0400, "Sam Culotta" <culotta_art.DeleteThis@verizon.net> said:

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> "AguaGirl" <someone.DeleteThis@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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>> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew it had
>> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is being
>> put together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think
>> it should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager 1
>> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to call
>> on it when they want.
>>
>> AG
> It will open a can of worms.. I wonder what becomes of the "neighborhood"
> play at 2nd base on double plays and such? Just to name one. And won't it be
> nice to slow the game down a bit while we watch the chief umpire duck his
> head under a sheet like the umpire in football. But having said that, I know
> it's inevitable, so what the hell, why not now.
>
> S.

It should be used for the fair/foul HR call and if the ball went over
the fence or nor. The perfect examples are the 2 calls they got wrong
in Yankee stadium this past week. Delgado hits one off the foul pole
and it is called a HR then reversed to foul, and A-Rod's HR that hit
off the stairs for a HR that was called a double. If the ump's are
that blind then instant reply is a definate must.
Selig argues he wants to keep the game as it is because he is a purist
but, HE brought us interleague play (which sucks for most of the
country), HE brought us a WILDCARD playoff team & 3 divisions in each
league, He brought us a tie in an All-Star game which lost it's luster
with the start of interleague play(my opinion) and HE brought us the AS
game means something by giving the winner home field in the World
Series. He is definately a purist.
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On May 22, 10:54 pm, "AguaGirl" <some... DeleteThis @somewhere.net> wrote:
> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew it had
> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is being put
> together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think it
> should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager 1
> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to call on
> it when they want.
>
> AG

the last thing in the world that baseball needs it committee
meetings
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"Smee" <no1.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-05-23 00:37:56 -0400, "Sam Culotta" <culotta_art.TakeThisOut@verizon.net>
> said:
>
>>
>> "AguaGirl" <someone.TakeThisOut@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:483631da$0$4087$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew it
>>> had
>>> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is being
>>> put together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think
>>> it should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager
>>> 1
>>> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to call
>>> on it when they want.
>>>
>>> AG
>> It will open a can of worms.. I wonder what becomes of the "neighborhood"
>> play at 2nd base on double plays and such? Just to name one. And won't it
>> be
>> nice to slow the game down a bit while we watch the chief umpire duck his
>> head under a sheet like the umpire in football. But having said that, I
>> know
>> it's inevitable, so what the hell, why not now.
>>
>> S.
>
> It should be used for the fair/foul HR call and if the ball went over the
> fence or nor. The perfect examples are the 2 calls they got wrong in
> Yankee stadium this past week. Delgado hits one off the foul pole and it
> is called a HR then reversed to foul, and A-Rod's HR that hit off the
> stairs for a HR that was called a double. If the ump's are that blind
> then instant reply is a definate must.
> Selig argues he wants to keep the game as it is because he is a purist
> but, HE brought us interleague play (which sucks for most of the country),
> HE brought us a WILDCARD playoff team & 3 divisions in each league, He
> brought us a tie in an All-Star game which lost it's luster with the start
> of interleague play(my opinion) and HE brought us the AS game means
> something by giving the winner home field in the World Series. He is
> definately a purist.
>
Well, there are purists and then there are purists.. I don't which Selig is.
In fact now that you bring it up.. What the hell does this guy have, a
lifetime appointment?

S.
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"Sam Monk" <samuelmonk.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 22, 10:54 pm, "AguaGirl" <some....DeleteThis@somewhere.net> wrote:
>> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew it
>> had
>> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is being
>> put
>> together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think it
>> should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager 1
>> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to call
>> on
>> it when they want.
>>
>> AG
>
> the last thing in the world that baseball needs it committee
> meetings

So you are still around. Good to hear from ya, Sam.

With all the complaints about the game's being too slow, they think instant
replay is a good idea?
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> "Sam Monk" <samuelmonk.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On May 22, 10:54 pm, "AguaGirl" <some....DeleteThis@somewhere.net> wrote:
>>> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew it
>>> had
>>> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is being
>>> put
>>> together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think it
>>> should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager 1
>>> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to call
>>> on
>>> it when they want.
>>>
>>> AG
>>
>> the last thing in the world that baseball needs it committee
>> meetings
>
> So you are still around. Good to hear from ya, Sam.
>
> With all the complaints about the game's being too slow, they think
> instant replay is a good idea?

I am sure there are going to be limits on how it can be used. The argument
for it is the home run that should have been but the ump calls it foul etc..
not did he tag the bag before the ball got there. Do you really want your
team to lose a pivotal game because the umpires can't be everywhere and
couldn't tell if the ball in deep center was caught or trapped? I think in
very limited use it's a good idea. Most games will never have an instant
replay. The umpires are certainly going to be stingy when it comes to using
them. Going to IR means you weren't paying enough attention. The managers
can be forced to be stingy. Only one per game and only on specific types of
calls. Fair or Foul, plays in the stands, etc.. The kinds of plays that
the umpires can't be right on top of but the cameras can. I say do it.

AG
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"AguaGirl" <someone.TakeThisOut@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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> "Jeremy Chapman" <jchapman3.TakeThisOut@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> "Sam Monk" <samuelmonk.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> On May 22, 10:54 pm, "AguaGirl" <some....TakeThisOut@somewhere.net> wrote:
>>>> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew it
>>>> had
>>>> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is
>>>> being put
>>>> together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think it
>>>> should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager 1
>>>> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to
>>>> call on
>>>> it when they want.
>>>>
>>>> AG
>>>
>>> the last thing in the world that baseball needs it committee
>>> meetings
>>
>> So you are still around. Good to hear from ya, Sam.
>>
>> With all the complaints about the game's being too slow, they think
>> instant replay is a good idea?
>
> I am sure there are going to be limits on how it can be used. The
> argument for it is the home run that should have been but the ump calls it
> foul etc.. not did he tag the bag before the ball got there. Do you
> really want your team to lose a pivotal game because the umpires can't be
> everywhere and couldn't tell if the ball in deep center was caught or
> trapped? I think in very limited use it's a good idea. Most games will
> never have an instant replay. The umpires are certainly going to be
> stingy when it comes to using them. Going to IR means you weren't paying
> enough attention. The managers can be forced to be stingy. Only one per
> game and only on specific types of calls. Fair or Foul, plays in the
> stands, etc.. The kinds of plays that the umpires can't be right on top
> of but the cameras can. I say do it.
>
> AG

There is a change I would like to see in the game. I hate it when a runner
is going with the pitch and a ground rule double is hit or something else
happens that stops play. The umps refuse to let the man score but instead
give him two bases and park him at third. Could instant reply take some of
the heat off the umps in making the proper call? Or could additional lines
be added to the field and say if the ball bounces out and the runner is past
that line he gets the extra base?
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"Triple" <rhager4 RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "AguaGirl" <someone RemoveThis @somewhere.net> wrote in message
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>> "Jeremy Chapman" <jchapman3 RemoveThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Sam Monk" <samuelmonk RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On May 22, 10:54 pm, "AguaGirl" <some... RemoveThis @somewhere.net> wrote:
>>>>> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew it
>>>>> had
>>>>> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is
>>>>> being put
>>>>> together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think
>>>>> it
>>>>> should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager
>>>>> 1
>>>>> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to
>>>>> call on
>>>>> it when they want.
>>>>>
>>>>> AG
>>>>
>>>> the last thing in the world that baseball needs it committee
>>>> meetings
>>>
>>> So you are still around. Good to hear from ya, Sam.
>>>
>>> With all the complaints about the game's being too slow, they think
>>> instant replay is a good idea?
>>
>> I am sure there are going to be limits on how it can be used. The
>> argument for it is the home run that should have been but the ump calls
>> it foul etc.. not did he tag the bag before the ball got there. Do you
>> really want your team to lose a pivotal game because the umpires can't be
>> everywhere and couldn't tell if the ball in deep center was caught or
>> trapped? I think in very limited use it's a good idea. Most games will
>> never have an instant replay. The umpires are certainly going to be
>> stingy when it comes to using them. Going to IR means you weren't paying
>> enough attention. The managers can be forced to be stingy. Only one per
>> game and only on specific types of calls. Fair or Foul, plays in the
>> stands, etc.. The kinds of plays that the umpires can't be right on top
>> of but the cameras can. I say do it.
>>
>> AG
>
> There is a change I would like to see in the game. I hate it when a runner
> is going with the pitch and a ground rule double is hit or something else
> happens that stops play. The umps refuse to let the man score but instead
> give him two bases and park him at third. Could instant reply take some of
> the heat off the umps in making the proper call? Or could additional lines
> be added to the field and say if the ball bounces out and the runner is
> past that line he gets the extra base?
>
Like the stupid 3 point line in basketball?
I understand your frustration with the ground rule double; it does seem to
penalize the hitter and the team. But extra lines? Like the stupid 3 point
line in basketball? I don't think so.

S.
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>>>>> On May 22, 10:54 pm, "AguaGirl" <some... DeleteThis @somewhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew
>>>>>> it had
>>>>>> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is
>>>>>> being put
>>>>>> together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to
>>>>>> call on
>>>>>> it when they want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AG
>>>>>
>>>>> the last thing in the world that baseball needs it committee
>>>>> meetings
>>>>
>>>> So you are still around. Good to hear from ya, Sam.
>>>>
>>>> With all the complaints about the game's being too slow, they think
>>>> instant replay is a good idea?
>>>
>>> I am sure there are going to be limits on how it can be used. The
>>> argument for it is the home run that should have been but the ump calls
>>> it foul etc.. not did he tag the bag before the ball got there. Do you
>>> really want your team to lose a pivotal game because the umpires can't
>>> be everywhere and couldn't tell if the ball in deep center was caught or
>>> trapped? I think in very limited use it's a good idea. Most games will
>>> never have an instant replay. The umpires are certainly going to be
>>> stingy when it comes to using them. Going to IR means you weren't
>>> paying enough attention. The managers can be forced to be stingy. Only
>>> one per game and only on specific types of calls. Fair or Foul, plays
>>> in the stands, etc.. The kinds of plays that the umpires can't be right
>>> on top of but the cameras can. I say do it.
>>>
>>> AG
>>
>> There is a change I would like to see in the game. I hate it when a
>> runner is going with the pitch and a ground rule double is hit or
>> something else happens that stops play. The umps refuse to let the man
>> score but instead give him two bases and park him at third. Could instant
>> reply take some of the heat off the umps in making the proper call? Or
>> could additional lines be added to the field and say if the ball bounces
>> out and the runner is past that line he gets the extra base?
>>
> Like the stupid 3 point line in basketball?
> I understand your frustration with the ground rule double; it does seem to
> penalize the hitter and the team. But extra lines? Like the stupid 3
> point line in basketball? I don't think so.
>
> S.

Well, I think the problem is that if the umps only give two bases they face
less arguments and they have to say "I thought", "It looked like" etc. If
there is a more definitive marker, the game will be called according to the
actual rules. Call me deranged but I think a game ought to be called
according to the rule book. So, give me that part. The game ought to be
called that way, how would you solve the problem? I am all ears, which makes
it pretty loud when I sit down.
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>>
>> With all the complaints about the game's being too slow, they think
>> instant replay is a good idea?
>
> I am sure there are going to be limits on how it can be used. The
> argument for it is the home run that should have been but the ump calls it
> foul etc.. not did he tag the bag before the ball got there. Do you
> really want your team to lose a pivotal game because the umpires can't be
> everywhere and couldn't tell if the ball in deep center was caught or
> trapped? I think in very limited use it's a good idea. Most games will
> never have an instant replay. The umpires are certainly going to be
> stingy when it comes to using them. Going to IR means you weren't paying
> enough attention. The managers can be forced to be stingy. Only one per
> game and only on specific types of calls. Fair or Foul, plays in the
> stands, etc.. The kinds of plays that the umpires can't be right on top
> of but the cameras can. I say do it.
>
> AG

I don't to lose a pivotal game because the umpire's got a huge or tiny or
inconsistent strike zone, either. I guess if they implemented instant
replay under your parameters, it might work. I understand your point about
umpires won't want to use it because it might make them look bad - I worry
about umpires deciding *not* to make calls because they figure IR will get
it right, so why should they make an initial judgment to be possibly proven
wrong. I suppose, in the grand scheme of things, that I'll be OK with 5-10
minutes added to a game in ensure accuracy. I guess I'm just afraid that
MLB will bungle this and we'll all end up hating it. Then they'll probably
come up with some half-assed way to "fix" their problem.
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> There is a change I would like to see in the game. I hate it when a runner
> is going with the pitch and a ground rule double is hit or something else
> happens that stops play. The umps refuse to let the man score but instead
> give him two bases and park him at third. Could instant reply take some of
> the heat off the umps in making the proper call? Or could additional lines
> be added to the field and say if the ball bounces out and the runner is
> past that line he gets the extra base?

I'd hate that, too, but I can honestly say that I don't remember ever having
seen that happen. I don't want to put more lines on the field, but I would
think that replay (should it be implemented) would be able to help the
umpires make the correct call in that situation.
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>> There is a change I would like to see in the game. I hate it when a
>> runner is going with the pitch and a ground rule double is hit or
>> something else happens that stops play. The umps refuse to let the man
>> score but instead give him two bases and park him at third. Could instant
>> reply take some of the heat off the umps in making the proper call? Or
>> could additional lines be added to the field and say if the ball bounces
>> out and the runner is past that line he gets the extra base?
>
> I'd hate that, too, but I can honestly say that I don't remember ever
> having seen that happen.

Really? I see it happen with regularity.
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In article <483631da$0$4087$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
someone.TakeThisOut@somewhere.net says...
> They are actually talking about it! I had no idea. I mean, I knew it had
> been brought up but the general managers want it and a proposal is being put
> together. I like the idea but only in a limited use. I don't think it
> should be used to call balls and strikes but maybe give every manager 1
> challenge per game and let the umpire chief of each crew be able to call on
> it when they want.

I like the use of instant replay, just not the way that the NFL uses it.
The NFL chose to make it an actual part of the game. I think it should
simply be used as an additional tool for the umpires when there's some
disagreement about a call or something that nobody got a good angle on.
As you note, just let the chief call up to the booth if there's a
problem.

--
Dan Szymborski
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"A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is
not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."
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