Inge not the answer

"Brian" wrote in message

> Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a
> legitimate full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>
> Brian in Harrison Twp


42 is the answer.
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On 30 Aug 2008 08:22:45 -0700, snapp44
wrote:

>In article , Brian says...
>>
>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a legitimate
>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>
>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>
>
>He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
>do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
>after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
>winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.
>
>Dave

In the years the Tigers won or went to the World Series, they always
had good catchers. In 1968, it was Bill Freehan who had a BA of 263
(same as Norm Cash's); he had 25 HR and 84 RBI, 65 walks and 64 KOs.
More importantly he knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
excellent defensive catcher.

In 1984 Lance Parrish was the catcher. His BA was 237 but he had 33
HR and 98 RBIs. He too knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
excellent defensive catcher.

In 2006 we had future HOFer Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. That year he had
a 300 BA, 69 RBI and 13 HR. He was a stablizing force behind the
plate for a young pitching staff and was still a very good defensive
catcher having only 25 bases stolen on him while he threw out 26
others.

Inge is nowhere near either of those 3 guys in offensive or defensive
production. And I'm not sure he'd ever be as good as them at catcher.

Regards,

////
(o o)
-oOO--(_)--OOo-

"I find television very educating. Every time somebody
turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
-- Groucho Marx
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Steve
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In article , SkippyPB says...
>
>On 30 Aug 2008 08:22:45 -0700, snapp44
>wrote:
>
>>In article , Brian says...
>>>
>>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a legitimate
>>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>>
>>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>>
>>
>>He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
>>do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
>>after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
>>winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.
>>
>>Dave
>
>In the years the Tigers won or went to the World Series, they always
>had good catchers. In 1968, it was Bill Freehan who had a BA of 263
>(same as Norm Cash's); he had 25 HR and 84 RBI, 65 walks and 64 KOs.
>More importantly he knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>excellent defensive catcher.
>
>In 1984 Lance Parrish was the catcher. His BA was 237 but he had 33
>HR and 98 RBIs. He too knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>excellent defensive catcher.
>
>In 2006 we had future HOFer Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. That year he had
>a 300 BA, 69 RBI and 13 HR. He was a stablizing force behind the
>plate for a young pitching staff and was still a very good defensive
>catcher having only 25 bases stolen on him while he threw out 26
>others.
>
>Inge is nowhere near either of those 3 guys in offensive or defensive
>production. And I'm not sure he'd ever be as good as them at catcher.
>
>Regards,
>
> ////
> (o o)
>-oOO--(_)--OOo-
>
>"I find television very educating. Every time somebody
>turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
>-- Groucho Marx
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Remove nospam to email me.
>
>Steve

I don't know if you actually seen Parrish
or Freehan play during those Championship
years but if so you can't help but laugh,
shake your head and feel sorry for these
Inge apologists and know it alls. Some buy
their wifes zircon too, so it's not surprising.

Dave
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"snapp44" wrote in message

> In article , Brian says...
>>
>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a
>>legitimate
>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>
>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>
>
> He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
> do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
> after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
> winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.



This is what happens when a ""baseball fan"" only knows one team.
Pat Borders was once a World Series MVP.






>
> Dave
>
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In article , Bill Kawalec says...
>
>
>"snapp44" wrote in message
>
>> In article , Brian says...
>>>
>>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a
>>>legitimate
>>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>>
>>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>>
>>
>> He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
>> do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
>> after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
>> winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.
>
>
>
>This is what happens when a ""baseball fan"" only knows one team.
>Pat Borders was once a World Series MVP.
>
>>
>> Dave
>>

I know you Mr Binge and your NO Mr Borders, no matter
what any know it all says. You are ONLY a liability
who has been given way too many chances and who will
eventually be given a bus ticket before you can help
again prevent my team from winning a WS.

Dave
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"snapp44" wrote in message

> In article , SkippyPB says...
>>
>>On 30 Aug 2008 08:22:45 -0700, snapp44
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article , Brian says...
>>>>
>>>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a
>>>>legitimate
>>>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>>>
>>>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>>>
>>>
>>>He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
>>>do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
>>>after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
>>>winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>In the years the Tigers won or went to the World Series, they always
>>had good catchers. In 1968, it was Bill Freehan who had a BA of 263
>>(same as Norm Cash's); he had 25 HR and 84 RBI, 65 walks and 64 KOs.
>>More importantly he knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>
>>In 1984 Lance Parrish was the catcher. His BA was 237 but he had 33
>>HR and 98 RBIs. He too knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>
>>In 2006 we had future HOFer Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. That year he had
>>a 300 BA, 69 RBI and 13 HR. He was a stablizing force behind the
>>plate for a young pitching staff and was still a very good defensive
>>catcher having only 25 bases stolen on him while he threw out 26
>>others.
>>
>>Inge is nowhere near either of those 3 guys in offensive or defensive
>>production. And I'm not sure he'd ever be as good as them at catcher.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>> ////
>> (o o)
>>-oOO--(_)--OOo-
>>
>>"I find television very educating. Every time somebody
>>turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
>>-- Groucho Marx
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>Remove nospam to email me.
>>
>>Steve
>
> I don't know if you actually seen Parrish
> or Freehan play during those Championship
> years but if so you can't help but laugh,
> shake your head and feel sorry for these
> Inge apologists and know it alls. Some buy
> their wifes zircon too, so it's not surprising.
>
> Dave
>



you know, when it is said that a team has to be strong up the middle, it
refers to defense. Many teams have won championships with mediocre hitting
catchers, and even weak hitting shortstops. Of course, it would not surprise
me at all to find out that you never heard of Ray Oyler.
 >> Stay informed about: Inge not the answer 

In article , Bill Kawalec says...
>
>
>
>"snapp44" wrote in message
>
>> In article , SkippyPB says...
>>>
>>>On 30 Aug 2008 08:22:45 -0700, snapp44
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article , Brian says...
>>>>>
>>>>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a
>>>>>legitimate
>>>>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>>>>
>>>>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
>>>>do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
>>>>after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
>>>>winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>In the years the Tigers won or went to the World Series, they always
>>>had good catchers. In 1968, it was Bill Freehan who had a BA of 263
>>>(same as Norm Cash's); he had 25 HR and 84 RBI, 65 walks and 64 KOs.
>>>More importantly he knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>>
>>>In 1984 Lance Parrish was the catcher. His BA was 237 but he had 33
>>>HR and 98 RBIs. He too knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>>
>>>In 2006 we had future HOFer Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. That year he had
>>>a 300 BA, 69 RBI and 13 HR. He was a stablizing force behind the
>>>plate for a young pitching staff and was still a very good defensive
>>>catcher having only 25 bases stolen on him while he threw out 26
>>>others.
>>>
>>>Inge is nowhere near either of those 3 guys in offensive or defensive
>>>production. And I'm not sure he'd ever be as good as them at catcher.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>> ////
>>> (o o)
>>>-oOO--(_)--OOo-
>>>
>>>"I find television very educating. Every time somebody
>>>turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
>>>-- Groucho Marx
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>Remove nospam to email me.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>> I don't know if you actually seen Parrish
>> or Freehan play during those Championship
>> years but if so you can't help but laugh,
>> shake your head and feel sorry for these
>> Inge apologists and know it alls. Some buy
>> their wifes zircon too, so it's not surprising.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>
>
>you know, when it is said that a team has to be strong up the middle, it
>refers to defense. Many teams have won championships with mediocre hitting
>catchers, and even weak hitting shortstops. Of course, it would not surprise
>me at all to find out that you never heard of Ray Oyler.
>
>

Well I believe we're just about finished here. Your never going
to convince me that the current Tiger catching and middle infield
will ever bring a championship to Detroit. It's plain and simple
that either singly or collectively they don't have the strengths
and intangibles necessary to get the job done. Now get your head
back under the sand and pick another player to be an apologist for.
Ray Oyler's Team never heard of Chuck Hernandez either and they
were smart enough not to carry around a handfull of zircons and
fools gold.

Dave
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On 30 Aug 2008 18:44:46 -0700, snapp44
wrote:

>In article , SkippyPB says...
>>
>>On 30 Aug 2008 08:22:45 -0700, snapp44
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article , Brian says...
>>>>
>>>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a legitimate
>>>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>>>
>>>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>>>
>>>
>>>He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
>>>do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
>>>after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
>>>winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>In the years the Tigers won or went to the World Series, they always
>>had good catchers. In 1968, it was Bill Freehan who had a BA of 263
>>(same as Norm Cash's); he had 25 HR and 84 RBI, 65 walks and 64 KOs.
>>More importantly he knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>
>>In 1984 Lance Parrish was the catcher. His BA was 237 but he had 33
>>HR and 98 RBIs. He too knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>
>>In 2006 we had future HOFer Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. That year he had
>>a 300 BA, 69 RBI and 13 HR. He was a stablizing force behind the
>>plate for a young pitching staff and was still a very good defensive
>>catcher having only 25 bases stolen on him while he threw out 26
>>others.
>>
>>Inge is nowhere near either of those 3 guys in offensive or defensive
>>production. And I'm not sure he'd ever be as good as them at catcher.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>> ////
>> (o o)
>>-oOO--(_)--OOo-
>>
>>"I find television very educating. Every time somebody
>>turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
>>-- Groucho Marx
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>Remove nospam to email me.
>>
>>Steve
>
>I don't know if you actually seen Parrish
>or Freehan play during those Championship
>years but if so you can't help but laugh,
>shake your head and feel sorry for these
>Inge apologists and know it alls. Some buy
>their wifes zircon too, so it's not surprising.
>
>Dave

Yeah, I saw them both in person in Tiger Stadium on several occasions
making the trip from Indiana to see a game. Inge is a great athlete
and he learned to play 3rd very well. But he's not and probably never
will be much better than a #8 or #9 hitter. If Guillen can't come
back or has a very limited role on the team, then they need to keep
Inge as the everyday 3rd baseman. But to keep him on as the everyday
catcher would be a mistake, IMO.

Regards,
////
(o o)
-oOO--(_)--OOo-

"I find television very educating. Every time somebody
turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
-- Groucho Marx
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remove nospam to email me.

Steve
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"snapp44" wrote in message

> In article , Bill Kawalec
> says...
>>
>>
>>
>>"snapp44" wrote in message
>>
>>> In article , SkippyPB
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>On 30 Aug 2008 08:22:45 -0700, snapp44
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article , Brian
>>>>>says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a
>>>>>>legitimate
>>>>>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
>>>>>do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
>>>>>after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
>>>>>winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>In the years the Tigers won or went to the World Series, they always
>>>>had good catchers. In 1968, it was Bill Freehan who had a BA of 263
>>>>(same as Norm Cash's); he had 25 HR and 84 RBI, 65 walks and 64 KOs.
>>>>More importantly he knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>>>
>>>>In 1984 Lance Parrish was the catcher. His BA was 237 but he had 33
>>>>HR and 98 RBIs. He too knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>>>
>>>>In 2006 we had future HOFer Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. That year he had
>>>>a 300 BA, 69 RBI and 13 HR. He was a stablizing force behind the
>>>>plate for a young pitching staff and was still a very good defensive
>>>>catcher having only 25 bases stolen on him while he threw out 26
>>>>others.
>>>>
>>>>Inge is nowhere near either of those 3 guys in offensive or defensive
>>>>production. And I'm not sure he'd ever be as good as them at catcher.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>> ////
>>>> (o o)
>>>>-oOO--(_)--OOo-
>>>>
>>>>"I find television very educating. Every time somebody
>>>>turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
>>>>-- Groucho Marx
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>Remove nospam to email me.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>
>>> I don't know if you actually seen Parrish
>>> or Freehan play during those Championship
>>> years but if so you can't help but laugh,
>>> shake your head and feel sorry for these
>>> Inge apologists and know it alls. Some buy
>>> their wifes zircon too, so it's not surprising.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>you know, when it is said that a team has to be strong up the middle, it
>>refers to defense. Many teams have won championships with mediocre hitting
>>catchers, and even weak hitting shortstops. Of course, it would not
>>surprise
>>me at all to find out that you never heard of Ray Oyler.
>>
>>
>
> Well I believe we're just about finished here. Your never going
> to convince me that the current Tiger catching and middle infield
> will ever bring a championship to Detroit.


Just keep babbling and blowing hot air. I already know that yoy have no
freakin' clue what a balanced team is.








It's plain and simple
> that either singly or collectively they don't have the strengths
> and intangibles necessary to get the job done. Now get your head
> back under the sand and pick another player to be an apologist for.
> Ray Oyler's Team never heard of Chuck Hernandez either and they
> were smart enough not to carry around a handfull of zircons and
> fools gold.
>
> Dave
>
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"SkippyPB" wrote in message

> On 30 Aug 2008 18:44:46 -0700, snapp44
> wrote:
>
>>In article , SkippyPB says...
>>>
>>>On 30 Aug 2008 08:22:45 -0700, snapp44
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article , Brian says...
>>>>>
>>>>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a
>>>>>legitimate
>>>>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>>>>
>>>>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
>>>>do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
>>>>after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
>>>>winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>In the years the Tigers won or went to the World Series, they always
>>>had good catchers. In 1968, it was Bill Freehan who had a BA of 263
>>>(same as Norm Cash's); he had 25 HR and 84 RBI, 65 walks and 64 KOs.
>>>More importantly he knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>>
>>>In 1984 Lance Parrish was the catcher. His BA was 237 but he had 33
>>>HR and 98 RBIs. He too knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>>
>>>In 2006 we had future HOFer Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. That year he had
>>>a 300 BA, 69 RBI and 13 HR. He was a stablizing force behind the
>>>plate for a young pitching staff and was still a very good defensive
>>>catcher having only 25 bases stolen on him while he threw out 26
>>>others.
>>>
>>>Inge is nowhere near either of those 3 guys in offensive or defensive
>>>production. And I'm not sure he'd ever be as good as them at catcher.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>> ////
>>> (o o)
>>>-oOO--(_)--OOo-
>>>
>>>"I find television very educating. Every time somebody
>>>turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
>>>-- Groucho Marx
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>Remove nospam to email me.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>>I don't know if you actually seen Parrish
>>or Freehan play during those Championship
>>years but if so you can't help but laugh,
>>shake your head and feel sorry for these
>>Inge apologists and know it alls. Some buy
>>their wifes zircon too, so it's not surprising.
>>
>>Dave
>
> Yeah, I saw them both in person in Tiger Stadium on several occasions
> making the trip from Indiana to see a game. Inge is a great athlete
> and he learned to play 3rd very well. But he's not and probably never
> will be much better than a #8 or #9 hitter. If Guillen can't come
> back or has a very limited role on the team, then they need to keep
> Inge as the everyday 3rd baseman. But to keep him on as the everyday
> catcher would be a mistake, IMO.




Depends on how he plays the position defensively. Either way, however,
they'll need to make up some offense at the position he's not playing.







>
> Regards,
> ////
> (o o)
> -oOO--(_)--OOo-
>
> "I find television very educating. Every time somebody
> turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
> -- Groucho Marx
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Remove nospam to email me.
>
> Steve
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In article , Bill Kawalec says...
>
>
>"SkippyPB" wrote in message
>
>> On 30 Aug 2008 18:44:46 -0700, snapp44
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article , SkippyPB says...
>>>>
>>>>On 30 Aug 2008 08:22:45 -0700, snapp44
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article , Brian says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Inge is a nice guy and tries hard but how can anyone say he is a
>>>>>>legitimate
>>>>>>full time catcher? A move needs to be made before next season!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brian in Harrison Twp
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>He may be the nicest guy in the world, but whats that have to
>>>>>do with catching? Some even think he'll make an average catcher
>>>>>after the "Inge Experiment", but whats that have to do with
>>>>>winning a world series? Look at Tiger history. It will teach you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>In the years the Tigers won or went to the World Series, they always
>>>>had good catchers. In 1968, it was Bill Freehan who had a BA of 263
>>>>(same as Norm Cash's); he had 25 HR and 84 RBI, 65 walks and 64 KOs.
>>>>More importantly he knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>>>
>>>>In 1984 Lance Parrish was the catcher. His BA was 237 but he had 33
>>>>HR and 98 RBIs. He too knew how to run the pitching staff and was an
>>>>excellent defensive catcher.
>>>>
>>>>In 2006 we had future HOFer Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. That year he had
>>>>a 300 BA, 69 RBI and 13 HR. He was a stablizing force behind the
>>>>plate for a young pitching staff and was still a very good defensive
>>>>catcher having only 25 bases stolen on him while he threw out 26
>>>>others.
>>>>
>>>>Inge is nowhere near either of those 3 guys in offensive or defensive
>>>>production. And I'm not sure he'd ever be as good as them at catcher.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>> ////
>>>> (o o)
>>>>-oOO--(_)--OOo-
>>>>
>>>>"I find television very educating. Every time somebody
>>>>turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
>>>>-- Groucho Marx
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>Remove nospam to email me.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>
>>>I don't know if you actually seen Parrish
>>>or Freehan play during those Championship
>>>years but if so you can't help but laugh,
>>>shake your head and feel sorry for these
>>>Inge apologists and know it alls. Some buy
>>>their wifes zircon too, so it's not surprising.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>> Yeah, I saw them both in person in Tiger Stadium on several occasions
>> making the trip from Indiana to see a game. Inge is a great athlete
>> and he learned to play 3rd very well. But he's not and probably never
>> will be much better than a #8 or #9 hitter. If Guillen can't come
>> back or has a very limited role on the team, then they need to keep
>> Inge as the everyday 3rd baseman. But to keep him on as the everyday
>> catcher would be a mistake, IMO.
>
>
>
>
>Depends on how he plays the position defensively. Either way, however,
>they'll need to make up some offense at the position he's not playing.
>

It'll take every other position to make up for his offensive
short comings and when they play in a national league park
it'll take the pitcher's offense as well.

Dave
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