IZZY: S.O.B.

CardsFan wrote:
> "Cristian Bona" <cristianiker.TakeThisOut@tin.it> wrote in message
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> > "TJ-BF" <r4.TakeThisOut@att.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> >>
> >> The only difference this time was a HIT and then a HR instead of a W
> >> and
> >> HR.
> >>
> >> Wasted a brilliant performance by the best hitter in the game, with a
> >> 3-run and then grand slam HRs and all 7 RBIs.
> >
> > There are no words to describe this....
>
> I claim no responsibility for this one. I was listening (on the internet)
> for several innings this time. But it is beginning to happen too often for
> Isringhausen. I never feel at ease when he comes into a game. I knew with
> yesterday an off day he would be available, and it almost seemed
> predictable.
>
> It's a no-win for La Russa though. If he sticks with Looper and Looper gets
> in a jam Izzy can't work out of he gets second-guessed too. Why not use
> your closer in that situation? The only answer is to demote Isringhausen,
> and who in the bullpen is really that much better? I doubt Isringhausen has
> much more confidence than Lidge does right now, but La Russa is going to
> stick with him.
>
> Albert's probably too good a teammate to get pissed, but who could blame
> him. The lead shrinks...

There are so many corresponding arguments in this mess. One boggles
one's self to find a place to begin. We will hear all about Izzy having
"the closer's mentality" from the same people who insist that there is
no such thing as "clutch hitting."
Why couldn't one of our "good for 4 innings" starters do just as well
pitching 1 inning? I think the Cardinals have at least one or two who
are sufficiently arrogant to possess the "closer's mentality." Izzy is
a white elephant, not really meaning to be funny. He has to pitch
regularly, can only throw a few pitches per outing, can't pitch if it
isn't in a hero situation, blows it 9 times and comes close enough to
blowing it plenty other times. I guess he didn't get his 10 pitches in
on the right day. A glass of piss for the closer, please.
While I'm ranting, if it is so great to have a catcher for a pitching
coach, why can't a pitcher help Yadi with his hitting?
>
> AJM
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CardsFan wrote:
> "Cristian Bona" <cristianiker DeleteThis @tin.it> wrote in message
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> > "TJ-BF" <r4 DeleteThis @att.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> >> x-no-archive: yes
> >>
> >> The only difference this time was a HIT and then a HR instead of a W
> >> and
> >> HR.
> >>
> >> Wasted a brilliant performance by the best hitter in the game, with a
> >> 3-run and then grand slam HRs and all 7 RBIs.
> >
> > There are no words to describe this....
>
> I claim no responsibility for this one. I was listening (on the internet)
> for several innings this time. But it is beginning to happen too often for
> Isringhausen. I never feel at ease when he comes into a game. I knew with
> yesterday an off day he would be available, and it almost seemed
> predictable.
>
> It's a no-win for La Russa though. If he sticks with Looper and Looper gets
> in a jam Izzy can't work out of he gets second-guessed too.

It's all about Izzy.

Why not use
> your closer in that situation? The only answer is to demote Isringhausen,


Ooh. You're gonna be slaughtered here. I am pleased to hear this
heretical thought come from someone other than the same few of us.
Who gives a flying frag how good Izzy is when he is "good?" All we have
is a closer who doesn't take very long to blow a game. Most closers
have bad games, but this guy whom the Cardinals have nursed along for
years is a cham-peen gopher ball tosser. Can he hit? Maybe he could be
a reserve OF.
> and who in the bullpen is really that much better? I doubt Isringhausen has
> much more confidence than Lidge does right now, but La Russa is going to
> stick with him.
>
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"TJ-BF" <r4.DeleteThis@att.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> The only difference this time was a HIT and then a HR instead of a W and
> HR.
>
> Wasted a brilliant performance by the best hitter in the game, with a
> 3-run and then grand slam HRs and all 7 RBIs.

There are no words to describe this....
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"Cristian Bona" <cristianiker DeleteThis @tin.it> wrote in message
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>
> "TJ-BF" <r4 DeleteThis @att.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> The only difference this time was a HIT and then a HR instead of a W
>> and
>> HR.
>>
>> Wasted a brilliant performance by the best hitter in the game, with a
>> 3-run and then grand slam HRs and all 7 RBIs.
>
> There are no words to describe this....

I claim no responsibility for this one. I was listening (on the internet)
for several innings this time. But it is beginning to happen too often for
Isringhausen. I never feel at ease when he comes into a game. I knew with
yesterday an off day he would be available, and it almost seemed
predictable.

It's a no-win for La Russa though. If he sticks with Looper and Looper gets
in a jam Izzy can't work out of he gets second-guessed too. Why not use
your closer in that situation? The only answer is to demote Isringhausen,
and who in the bullpen is really that much better? I doubt Isringhausen has
much more confidence than Lidge does right now, but La Russa is going to
stick with him.

Albert's probably too good a teammate to get pissed, but who could blame
him. The lead shrinks...

AJM
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On 22 Aug 2006 19:48:42 -0700, "LidsvilleNine"
<LidsvilleNine DeleteThis @earthlink.net> gave us:

>There are so many corresponding arguments in this mess. One boggles
>one's self to find a place to begin. We will hear all about Izzy having
>"the closer's mentality" from the same people who insist that there is
>no such thing as "clutch hitting."

Explain why those are incongruent concepts.

>Why couldn't one of our "good for 4 innings" starters do just as well
>pitching 1 inning? I think the Cardinals have at least one or two who
>are sufficiently arrogant to possess the "closer's mentality." Izzy is
>a white elephant, not really meaning to be funny. He has to pitch
>regularly, can only throw a few pitches per outing, can't pitch if it
>isn't in a hero situation, blows it 9 times and comes close enough to
>blowing it plenty other times. I guess he didn't get his 10 pitches in
>on the right day. A glass of piss for the closer, please.

If you're done now, Earl, would you like to suggest a replacement?

--
Lance

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I find that I too am filled with hate, prejudice, and
protest." -- Bob Gibson

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>
> There are so many corresponding arguments in this mess. One boggles
> one's self to find a place to begin. We will hear all about Izzy having
> "the closer's mentality" from the same people who insist that there is
> no such thing as "clutch hitting."



I'm not following you here, Earl. Who says there is no such thing as
clutch hitting?

Just wondering,
Tom
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On 23 Aug 2006 10:49:15 -0700, "Tom" <drsoong DeleteThis @aol.com> gave us:

>> There are so many corresponding arguments in this mess. One boggles
>> one's self to find a place to begin. We will hear all about Izzy having
>> "the closer's mentality" from the same people who insist that there is
>> no such thing as "clutch hitting."

>I'm not following you here, Earl. Who says there is no such thing as
>clutch hitting?

He's probably talking about me.

--
Lance

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All-Star team, and that's their problem, the American
League All-Star team always loses."
-- Dan Quisenberry

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Lance Freezeland wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2006 10:49:15 -0700, "Tom" <drsoong.DeleteThis@aol.com> gave us:
>
> >> There are so many corresponding arguments in this mess. One boggles
> >> one's self to find a place to begin. We will hear all about Izzy having
> >> "the closer's mentality" from the same people who insist that there is
> >> no such thing as "clutch hitting."
>
> >I'm not following you here, Earl. Who says there is no such thing as
> >clutch hitting?
>
> He's probably talking about me.
>
> --
> Lance

DUNNH! DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNH! <a cigarette is lit in the shadows>





>
> "They're (California Angels) like the American League
> All-Star team, and that's their problem, the American
> League All-Star team always loses."
> -- Dan Quisenberry
>
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Lance Freezeland wrote:
> On 22 Aug 2006 19:48:42 -0700, "LidsvilleNine"
> <LidsvilleNine RemoveThis @earthlink.net> gave us:
>
> >There are so many corresponding arguments in this mess. One boggles
> >one's self to find a place to begin. We will hear all about Izzy having
> >"the closer's mentality" from the same people who insist that there is
> >no such thing as "clutch hitting."
>
> Explain why those are incongruent concepts.

Thanks for not asking me to compare and contrast
I don't know that congruence is excactly the issue. I'm giving some
thought to your approach to that question. Can we recess?
>
> >Why couldn't one of our "good for 4 innings" starters do just as well
> >pitching 1 inning? I think the Cardinals have at least one or two who
> >are sufficiently arrogant to possess the "closer's mentality." Izzy is
> >a white elephant, not really meaning to be funny. He has to pitch
> >regularly, can only throw a few pitches per outing, can't pitch if it
> >isn't in a hero situation, blows it 9 times and comes close enough to
> >blowing it plenty other times. I guess he didn't get his 10 pitches in
> >on the right day. A glass of piss for the closer, please.
>
> If you're done now, Earl, would you like to suggest a replacement?

I might have an outburst or two left in me.
I already narrowed it down in the rant above. I realize that the
Cardinals have an abundance of "good for 4 innings" pitchers. A pitcher
who is unhittable for the first couple of innings could begin his
outing in the 9th. Just an example: I haven't looked at Suppan's 1st
inning stats. He doesn't "look like a closer", but Izzy certainly
doesn't either. No unusually menacing appearance, no ultra-bizarre
delivery, etc.


>
> --
> Lance
>
> "In a world filled with hate, prejudice, and protest,
> I find that I too am filled with hate, prejudice, and
> protest." -- Bob Gibson
>
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