Hey Buddie, You're Fired

"Seapig" <seapig.RemoveThis@altavista.com> wrote in message
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On May 30, 3:10 pm, ScottW <Scott....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 29, 4:25 pm, Seapig <sea....RemoveThis@altavista.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 29, 3:20 pm, ScottW <Scott....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why, with only 1 out, would they not go after Edgar?
> > > Him taking a walk advances the runner in one scenario,
> > > in another it accomplishes nothing and is even a negative.
>
> > You answered your own question.
>
> Who followed Edgar?

You're calling Black a moron for not bunting, and you don't even know
who you'd be asking to drive in the run by bunting? Somehow, I think
the moron knew who was coming up, and it probably had something to do
with why he let Khalil swing away. It was Luke ".189" Carlin.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

and no one on the bench? Seems to me we'd have 2 cracks at it.
In hind sight my plan still has a
chance...how did Buddies work?
I'll give him kudos for the double steat tonight but that DP ball
was one ugly feeble swing.

> Frankly I don't care if they walked him.
> When Greene was up there is no way you know that Edgar
> will be walked to advance the runner anyway.

I was responding to you saying "the game in question might have ended
in 12 instead of 18 innings if Buddie had half a brain." That's not
true.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"might" have. Funny how you can claim the might have
that was never given a chance is "untrue".

What we do know is this. Letting Greene look at strike 3
was UGLY. Send him a message, make him bunt.

ScottW
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On Jun 1, 4:57 pm, "ScottW" <Scott....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Seapig" <sea....DeleteThis@altavista.com> wrote in message
>
> news:39f1df0d-dd8c-49c7-983e-0f17f3be55c8@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 30, 3:10 pm, ScottW <Scott....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 29, 4:25 pm, Seapig <sea....DeleteThis@altavista.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 29, 3:20 pm, ScottW <Scott....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Why, with only 1 out, would they not go after Edgar?
> > > > Him taking a walk advances the runner in one scenario,
> > > > in another it accomplishes nothing and is even a negative.
>
> > > You answered your own question.
>
> > Who followed Edgar?
>
> You're calling Black a moron for not bunting, and you don't even know
> who you'd be asking to drive in the run by bunting?  Somehow, I think
> the moron knew who was coming up, and it probably had something to do
> with why he let Khalil swing away.  It was Luke ".189" Carlin.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>
> and no one on the bench? Seems to me we'd have 2 cracks at it.

You'd only have two cracks at it if Carlin doesn't hit into a double
play. Which he did. Huber was still on the bench, but is it really
worth burning your last catcher to get Justin Huber an at bat?

> In  hind sight my plan still has a
> chance...how did Buddies work?
> I'll give him kudos for the double steat tonight but that DP ball
> was one ugly feeble swing.
>
> > Frankly I don't care if they walked him.
> > When Greene was up there is no way you know that Edgar
> > will be walked to advance the runner anyway.
>
> I was responding to you saying "the game in question might have ended
> in 12 instead of 18 innings if Buddie had half a brain."  That's not
> true.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "might" have.  Funny how you can claim the might have
> that was never given a chance is "untrue".

We've covered this. A succesful sacrifice would have resulted in
Carlin batting with one out, and runners at first and second. We know
how that turned out.

> What we do know is this. Letting Greene look at strike 3
> was UGLY.  Send him a message, make him bunt.

What's the message?
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On Jun 1, 8:46 pm, Seapig <sea....TakeThisOut@altavista.com> wrote:
> On Jun 1, 4:57 pm, "ScottW" <Scott....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Seapig" <sea....TakeThisOut@altavista.com> wrote in message
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> >news:39f1df0d-dd8c-49c7-983e-0f17f3be55c8@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 30, 3:10 pm, ScottW <Scott....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 29, 4:25 pm, Seapig <sea....TakeThisOut@altavista.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 29, 3:20 pm, ScottW <Scott....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Why, with only 1 out, would they not go after Edgar?
> > > > > Him taking a walk advances the runner in one scenario,
> > > > > in another it accomplishes nothing and is even a negative.
>
> > > > You answered your own question.
>
> > > Who followed Edgar?
>
> > You're calling Black a moron for not bunting, and you don't even know
> > who you'd be asking to drive in the run by bunting?  Somehow, I think
> > the moron knew who was coming up, and it probably had something to do
> > with why he let Khalil swing away.  It was Luke ".189" Carlin.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>
> > and no one on the bench? Seems to me we'd have 2 cracks at it.
>
> You'd only have two cracks at it if Carlin doesn't hit into a double
> play.  Which he did.

Now I'm wondering why he even got a chance to bat.

>  Huber was still on the bench, but is it really
> worth burning your last catcher to get Justin Huber an at bat?

Is it worth it to win the game? Sometimes you go for it.

>
> > In  hind sight my plan still has a
> > chance...how did Buddies work?
> > I'll give him kudos for the double steat tonight but that DP ball
> > was one ugly feeble swing.
>
> > > Frankly I don't care if they walked him.
> > > When Greene was up there is no way you know that Edgar
> > > will be walked to advance the runner anyway.
>
> > I was responding to you saying "the game in question might have ended
> > in 12 instead of 18 innings if Buddie had half a brain."  That's not
> > true.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > "might" have.  Funny how you can claim the might have
> > that was never given a chance is "untrue".
>
> We've covered this.  A succesful sacrifice would have resulted in
> Carlin batting with one out, and runners at first and second.

Opinion stated as fact. I see no reason to pitch around the .259
Edgar to get to Carlin with 1 out.

>  We know
> how that turned out.
>
> > What we do know is this. Letting Greene look at strike 3
> > was UGLY.  Send him a message, make him bunt.
>
> What's the message?

Stop striking out or we start telling you when you can swing.

ScottW
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On Jun 2, 12:50 pm, ScottW <Scott... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 1, 8:46 pm, Seapig <sea... DeleteThis @altavista.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 4:57 pm, "ScottW" <Scott... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Seapig" <sea... DeleteThis @altavista.com> wrote in message
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> > >news:39f1df0d-dd8c-49c7-983e-0f17f3be55c8@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com....
> > > On May 30, 3:10 pm, ScottW <Scott... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 29, 4:25 pm, Seapig <sea... DeleteThis @altavista.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 29, 3:20 pm, ScottW <Scott... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Why, with only 1 out, would they not go after Edgar?
> > > > > > Him taking a walk advances the runner in one scenario,
> > > > > > in another it accomplishes nothing and is even a negative.
>
> > > > > You answered your own question.
>
> > > > Who followed Edgar?
>
> > > You're calling Black a moron for not bunting, and you don't even know
> > > who you'd be asking to drive in the run by bunting?  Somehow, I think
> > > the moron knew who was coming up, and it probably had something to do
> > > with why he let Khalil swing away.  It was Luke ".189" Carlin.
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>
> > > and no one on the bench? Seems to me we'd have 2 cracks at it.
>
> > You'd only have two cracks at it if Carlin doesn't hit into a double
> > play.  Which he did.
>
> Now I'm wondering why he even got a chance to bat.
>
> >  Huber was still on the bench, but is it really
> > worth burning your last catcher to get Justin Huber an at bat?
>
>   Is it worth it to win the game?  Sometimes you go for it.

In case you forgot, they did win the game, in large part because they
shut out the Reds for another six innings. That would have been hard
to do without a catcher.

> > > In  hind sight my plan still has a
> > > chance...how did Buddies work?
> > > I'll give him kudos for the double steat tonight but that DP ball
> > > was one ugly feeble swing.
>
> > > > Frankly I don't care if they walked him.
> > > > When Greene was up there is no way you know that Edgar
> > > > will be walked to advance the runner anyway.
>
> > > I was responding to you saying "the game in question might have ended
> > > in 12 instead of 18 innings if Buddie had half a brain."  That's not
> > > true.
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > "might" have.  Funny how you can claim the might have
> > > that was never given a chance is "untrue".
>
> > We've covered this.  A succesful sacrifice would have resulted in
> > Carlin batting with one out, and runners at first and second.
>
>  Opinion stated as fact.  I see no reason to pitch around the .259
> Edgar to get to Carlin with 1 out.

Then you have no business calling anyone a moron, with regard to
baseball strategy. A manager who wouldn't walk Edgar in that
situation shouldn't just be fired, he should probably be
institutionalized.

You're arguing against yourself now: you said that a walk for the
Padres there "accomplishes nothing and is even a negative." If it's a
negative for the Padres, it's a positive for the Reds. Why on earth
wouldn't they walk him?

> >   We know
> > how that turned out.
>
> > > What we do know is this. Letting Greene look at strike 3
> > > was UGLY.  Send him a message, make him bunt.
>
> > What's the message?
>
>  Stop striking out or we start telling you when you can swing.

Black was supposed to know ahead of time that he was going to strike
out?
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