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Collecting Fan

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Since: Jul 11, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 2:58 pm
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Everyone

Happy New Year!! Please come to the two real Pirates boards where your
opinions will be heard and appreciated( Even Paul's). MLB.com and
OnlyBucs.net would both like to hear from real Pirates' fans. Steve Z. Can
you help me here?

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It's a Secret

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Since: Dec 28, 2003
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 4:08 pm
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Collecting Fan wrote:
> Everyone
>
> Happy New Year!! Please come to the two real Pirates boards where your
> opinions will be heard and appreciated( Even Paul's). MLB.com and
> OnlyBucs.net would both like to hear from real Pirates' fans. Steve Z. Can
> you help me here?

I find it utterly amusing that some still like to rag on my opinions,
yet here we are in 2004 and the teams is exactly where I said they'd be
at this time and many of the people who argued most with me now
bemoaning the lack of talent, direction and competency through out the
organization.

The 2004 Pirates are going to be the first of a string of 90 to 100 loss
teams as much because the teams within their division, even those with
the same fiscal constraints as the Pirates like the Brewers, are doing a
better job at evaluating, drafting and trading for talent. Put together
the likely 2004 Pirate lineup and compare it to those of the rest of the
teams in NLC and try to find one nearly as bad. Then repeat the
exercise with the teams in the NL East and West. Who's likely to be
worse, the Mets? Hell even the farce that is the Expos is going to
field a vastly more talented team than the Pirates this season.

The Pirates' organization is in deep trouble and that's not going to
change until there's new ownership, one that understands baseball in the
modern age, and the entire front office has been shown the door and
replaced with outside people.

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Mcmyers

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Since: Jul 03, 2003
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:43 pm
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> Put together
>the likely 2004 Pirate lineup and compare it to those of the rest of the
>teams in NLC and try to find one nearly as bad

To compare lineups now is foolish, but if you want to compare pitching staffs,
maybe this will put them ahead of most teams,or should I state equal to most
teams.
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None of your biz

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Since: Nov 30, 2003
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:08 pm
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Mcmyers wrote:

> To compare lineups now is foolish, but if you want to compare pitching staffs,
> maybe this will put them ahead of most teams,or should I state equal to most
> teams.

We've been hearing about it going on twelve years now... nothing has
changed.

The Pirates finished 12 out of 16 teams in ERA last year and this season
now they're minus their second best starter in Suppan (3.57 - 21 starts)
Within just they're division - the Astros were fifth in the NL and
they return Oswalt, Miller, Redding and have added Andy Pettitte. Even
if Carlos Hernandez isn't healthy after more than a year of rehabbing
the Pirates pitching doesn't have a prayer of equaling the Astros. The
Cubs were third in the NL, they return Wood, Prior, Zambrano and
Clement. Again, the Pirates couldn't equal this division rival in their
dreams.

The Pirates pitching after Wells is a bunch of question marks at best,
probably not even as likely to improve as the Brewers staff.

The Pirates are a few seasons at least away from being an average
pitching team - equaling most of the rest of the teams this season? Not
bloody likely.

If the Pirates ever plan on winning with pitching they better get
started on a plan to get there soon - because they haven't started yet.
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Mcmyers

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:05 pm
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>Again, the Pirates couldn't equal this division rival in their
>dreams.

Its not my dreams.its a fact,Littlefield will tell you that his pitching staff
is as good as any in the division and right now every team is tied for 1st
place,and I am tired of losing for 12 years in a row also but I still can't
wait for the season to start and Paul G, explaining why the Reds will finish
ahead of the Bucs, his griping abiut who has the best GM now is a thing of the
past.
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Since: Aug 16, 2003
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:15 am
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<< Its not my dreams.its a fact,Littlefield will tell you that his pitching
staff
is as good as any in the division >><BR><BR>

I believe Mr. Littlefield's opinion is somewhat biased, as his livelihood
depends on it. I don't think any reasoned person feels that the Pirates are
better than the Astros or the
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:25 pm
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>I believe Mr. Littlefield's opinion is somewhat biased, as his

Everyone with an opinion is biased,but their record without Giles and Aram was
also an improvement, anyone that is a pirate fan and complains about losing,
when their competing against teams with larger payroll, are completly biased
or just plain dumb, and I must admit I don't care,because I have every right to
be a fan of any team, and I am a Pirate fan, win or lose.
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