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BR Eagle

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:44 am
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I surprised it hasn't been posted here yet.

Is this a free agency drive? Will he resign with Braves (at a discount?)?

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Joe Schmoe

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:03 am
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"BR Eagle" <goc313.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I surprised it hasn't been posted here yet.
>
> Is this a free agency drive? Will he resign with Braves (at a discount?)?
>
>

As unlikely as that sounds, it is at least possible, but I don't see it
happening. The Braves are going to need to some good starting pitching next
season, and if Hampton actually finishes strong and wins a few games, he
could fit that description. However, Hampton drove Bobby Cox crazy earlier
this season with his unreliability, and I doubt that Bobby wants to go
through that again. For another thing, Hampton will probably be looking for
a good contract, and the one the Braves would offer would probably be filled
with incentive clauses. Hampton needs to find a stupid GM who willl give
him a guaranteed contract.

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Sam Hutcheson

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:03 am
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On Aug 6, 8:03 am, "Joe Schmoe" <mcho....RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "BR Eagle" <goc....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:U8gmk.5975$Zv3.6@newsfe01.iad...
>
> >I surprised it hasn't been posted here yet.
>
> > Is this a free agency drive? Will he resign with Braves (at a discount?)?
>
> As unlikely as that sounds, it is at least possible, but I don't see it
> happening.  The Braves are going to need to some good starting pitching next
> season, and if Hampton actually finishes strong and wins a few games, he
> could fit that description.  However, Hampton drove Bobby Cox crazy earlier
> this season with his unreliability, and I doubt that Bobby wants to go
> through that again.  For another thing, Hampton will probably be looking for
> a good contract, and the one the Braves would offer would probably be filled
> with incentive clauses.  Hampton needs to find a stupid GM who willl give
> him a guaranteed contract.

He won't be back in Atlanta. Period. For Atlanta to sign him one of
two things would have to occur. Either 1) the Braves would have to
pay him 80% of his current contract (per the CBA) or 2) Hampton would
have to get to May 1 without a contract and then resign with the
Braves. Not going to happen.

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Marty Winn

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:03 am
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On Aug 6, 9:04 am, Sam Hutcheson <s... DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Aug 6, 8:03 am, "Joe Schmoe" <mcho... DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "BR Eagle" <goc... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:U8gmk.5975$Zv3.6@newsfe01.iad...
>
> > >I surprised it hasn't been posted here yet.
>
> > > Is this a free agency drive? Will he resign with Braves (at a discount?)?
>
> > As unlikely as that sounds, it is at least possible, but I don't see it
> > happening. The Braves are going to need to some good starting pitching next
> > season, and if Hampton actually finishes strong and wins a few games, he
> > could fit that description. However, Hampton drove Bobby Cox crazy earlier
> > this season with his unreliability, and I doubt that Bobby wants to go
> > through that again. For another thing, Hampton will probably be looking for
> > a good contract, and the one the Braves would offer would probably be filled
> > with incentive clauses. Hampton needs to find a stupid GM who willl give
> > him a guaranteed contract.
>
> He won't be back in Atlanta. Period. For Atlanta to sign him one of
> two things would have to occur. Either 1) the Braves would have to
> pay him 80% of his current contract (per the CBA) or 2) Hampton would
> have to get to May 1 without a contract and then resign with the
> Braves. Not going to happen.

I thought those rules had been changed. Thought Braves could not
offer arbitration and then still offer a lesser contract. This came
in part from the Maddux situation. Not sure I am correct about this,
but I had heard something along these lines. Can anyone verify?

Seeking the Light,
Marty Winn
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Joe Schmoe

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:56 am
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"Marty Winn" <marty.winn.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 6, 9:04 am, Sam Hutcheson <s....RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> On Aug 6, 8:03 am, "Joe Schmoe" <mcho....RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "BR Eagle" <goc....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:U8gmk.5975$Zv3.6@newsfe01.iad...
>>
>> > >I surprised it hasn't been posted here yet.
>>
>> > > Is this a free agency drive? Will he resign with Braves (at a
>> > > discount?)?
>>
>> > As unlikely as that sounds, it is at least possible, but I don't see it
>> > happening. The Braves are going to need to some good starting pitching
>> > next
>> > season, and if Hampton actually finishes strong and wins a few games,
>> > he
>> > could fit that description. However, Hampton drove Bobby Cox crazy
>> > earlier
>> > this season with his unreliability, and I doubt that Bobby wants to go
>> > through that again. For another thing, Hampton will probably be
>> > looking for
>> > a good contract, and the one the Braves would offer would probably be
>> > filled
>> > with incentive clauses. Hampton needs to find a stupid GM who willl
>> > give
>> > him a guaranteed contract.
>>
>> He won't be back in Atlanta. Period. For Atlanta to sign him one of
>> two things would have to occur. Either 1) the Braves would have to
>> pay him 80% of his current contract (per the CBA) or 2) Hampton would
>> have to get to May 1 without a contract and then resign with the
>> Braves. Not going to happen.
>
> I thought those rules had been changed. Thought Braves could not
> offer arbitration and then still offer a lesser contract. This came
> in part from the Maddux situation. Not sure I am correct about this,
> but I had heard something along these lines. Can anyone verify?
>
> Seeking the Light,
> Marty Winn

The May 1 date restriction was definitely eliminated in the last CBA. I
believe the 80% rule only applies to players who are offered arbitration,
although I wouldn't swear to it. For those of you who want to read the
entire text of the CBA, it is here:

http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:15 pm
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Joe Schmoe wrote:

> >> He won't be back in Atlanta. Period. For Atlanta to sign him one of
> >> two things would have to occur. Either 1) the Braves would have to
> >> pay him 80% of his current contract (per the CBA) or 2) Hampton would
> >> have to get to May 1 without a contract and then resign with the
> >> Braves. Not going to happen.
> >
> > I thought those rules had been changed. Thought Braves could not
> > offer arbitration and then still offer a lesser contract. This came
> > in part from the Maddux situation. Not sure I am correct about this,
> > but I had heard something along these lines. Can anyone verify?
> >
> > Seeking the Light,
> > Marty Winn
>
> The May 1 date restriction was definitely eliminated in the last CBA. I
> believe the 80% rule only applies to players who are offered arbitration,
> although I wouldn't swear to it. For those of you who want to read the
> entire text of the CBA, it is here:
>
> http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

Fair enough. I'll raise my Hampton-resigns-with-Atlanta probability
to 0.001%.

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