Greatest pitcher of all time?

Gary R. Good wrote:
> But, he
> decided he wanted to play every day, and pretty much quit pitching.

When he was a pitcher for BOS, he did play every day. They would put him
in the outfield on his non-pitching days. Apparently Boston Red Sox had a
different policy than New York Yankees. Perhaps NYY had a more solid
pitching staff and just didn't need Babe to throw every 4th day?

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In article <o5uch09a5597s9h4p83gjinpdrppvmeffh DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle says...

>
>Come on now, Jolly. Maddux is good, certainly, but not the greatest of
>all time.

I'd have to agree, but he's certainly got a better argument than Nolan Ryan, who
was mentioned by someone else in this thread. Maddux is clearly top 10, I
think, and I doubt Ryan's even top 20.

--BDB
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I'm not sure of what you are referring to with the "record" of 35 complete
games; Bob Feller had 36 in 1946. Since 1900, Jack Chesbro holds the record
for right-handers at 48 in 1904 while Irv Young (1905) and Noodles Hahn
(1901) hold the record for lefties. It gets crazier prior to 1900!

See http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/CG_leagues.shtml.

Not meant to detract from Ruth - his batting, pitching, fielding,
baserunning and throwing ability make him probably the best athlete ever to
play baseball.

P.S. I believe that Ruth held the record for consecutive scoreless innings
in the World Series until recently.

GEO.
www.theLOCALfolks.com

"Gary R. Good" <lallance.RemoveThis@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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: Road Warrior wrote:
: > Jeff Plas wrote:
: In the realm of "pitching career ended too short", I will go with
: Babe Ruth
: > for #1 (he was a great lefty), and an honorable mention to "career lost
to
: > drug abuse" for Dwight Gooden.
: >
: >
: >
: > Babe Ruth's pitching stats come up every few years as one of those
trivia questions.
: If I remember correctly, he holds four records that will probably never
: be broke. Most complete games in one season, 35 in 1917. Most innings
: pitched in a World Series game, 14 in 1916 series. Lowest ERA for a
: left-hander in one season, 1.75, (Minimum of 300 IP) Cannot remember,
: or find anything on the fourth record. But, he decided he wanted to
: play every day, and pretty much quit pitching.
:
: Gary
:
:
:
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GEO. wrote:
> I'm not sure of what you are referring to with the "record" of 35 complete
> games; Bob Feller had 36 in 1946. Since 1900, Jack Chesbro holds the record
> for right-handers at 48 in 1904 while Irv Young (1905) and Noodles Hahn
> (1901) hold the record for lefties. It gets crazier prior to 1900!
>
> See http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/CG_leagues.shtml.
>
> Not meant to detract from Ruth - his batting, pitching, fielding,
> baserunning and throwing ability make him probably the best athlete ever to
> play baseball.
>
> P.S. I believe that Ruth held the record for consecutive scoreless innings
> in the World Series until recently.
>

IIRC Whitey Ford broke that record in 1961.

dick
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Craig Nance wrote:

>
> I would take Gibson based in large part on his 1968 season (which IIRC
> was the reason they lowered the mound), but you can't argue with
> Koufax. Too bad he had to leave the game early.
>
> What's amazing to me is that both of them had multiple seasons where
> they pitched over *300 innings*.
Check out Charlie "Old Hoss" Radbourne in 1884 (I think). He had
something like 680 innings! 72 complete games, 67 wins, a couple of saves.

dick
-- one of my favorite seasons for any player
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"GEO." <Groups.DeleteThis@theLOCALfolks.com> wrote in message news:vTvRc.1797$QJ3.572@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> I'm not sure of what you are referring to with the "record" of 35 complete
> games; Bob Feller had 36 in 1946. Since 1900, Jack Chesbro holds the record
> for right-handers at 48 in 1904 while Irv Young (1905) and Noodles Hahn
> (1901) hold the record for lefties. It gets crazier prior to 1900!
>
> See http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/CG_leagues.shtml.
>
> Not meant to detract from Ruth - his batting, pitching, fielding,
> baserunning and throwing ability make him probably the best athlete ever to
> play baseball.
>
> P.S. I believe that Ruth held the record for consecutive scoreless innings
> in the World Series until recently.
>
> GEO.
> www.theLOCALfolks.com
>
> "Gary R. Good" <lallance.DeleteThis@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:41167F70.2030708@adelphia.net...
> : Road Warrior wrote:
> : > Jeff Plas wrote:
> : In the realm of "pitching career ended too short", I will go with
> : Babe Ruth
> : > for #1 (he was a great lefty), and an honorable mention to "career lost
> to
> : > drug abuse" for Dwight Gooden.
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > Babe Ruth's pitching stats come up every few years as one of those
> trivia questions.
> : If I remember correctly, he holds four records that will probably never
> : be broke. Most complete games in one season, 35 in 1917. Most innings
> : pitched in a World Series game, 14 in 1916 series. Lowest ERA for a
> : left-hander in one season, 1.75, (Minimum of 300 IP) Cannot remember,
> : or find anything on the fourth record. But, he decided he wanted to
> : play every day, and pretty much quit pitching.
> :
> : Gary
> :

Although I see this was cross-posted to several groups, I can't believe no Dodger fans mention Sandy Koufax. Sure, his career was short-lived, but from 1963-1966 he thoroughly dominated the league and won 2 World Series with the Dodgers.

He won the Pitcher's Triple-Crown 3 out of 4 of those years. During those 4 years he had 97 wins against 27 losses, a 1.86 ERA, and 1228 strikeouts against 259 walks, 89 complete games and 31 shutouts.

Oh, and also he also threw 3 no-hitters and a perfect game from 1962-1966. So if I wanted the greatest pitcher of all time to throw one game for me in the 7th game of the World Series, I'd pick Koufax in his prime.
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Apparently you didn't read my post. Of course, I'm not actually a Dodger
fan...

Eric (aka Rick) Steinberg
Angel fan in the shadow of Dodger Stadium

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"GEO." <Groups.RemoveThis@theLOCALfolks.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not sure of what you are referring to with the "record" of 35 complete
> games; Bob Feller had 36 in 1946. Since 1900, Jack Chesbro holds the
record
> for right-handers at 48 in 1904 while Irv Young (1905) and Noodles Hahn
> (1901) hold the record for lefties. It gets crazier prior to 1900!
>
> See http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/CG_leagues.shtml.
>
> Not meant to detract from Ruth - his batting, pitching, fielding,
> baserunning and throwing ability make him probably the best athlete ever
to
> play baseball.
>
> P.S. I believe that Ruth held the record for consecutive scoreless innings
> in the World Series until recently.
>
> GEO.
> www.theLOCALfolks.com
>
> "Gary R. Good" <lallance.RemoveThis@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:41167F70.2030708@adelphia.net...
> : Road Warrior wrote:
> : > Jeff Plas wrote:
> : In the realm of "pitching career ended too short", I will go with
> : Babe Ruth
> : > for #1 (he was a great lefty), and an honorable mention to "career
lost
> to
> : > drug abuse" for Dwight Gooden.
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > Babe Ruth's pitching stats come up every few years as one of those
> trivia questions.
> : If I remember correctly, he holds four records that will probably never
> : be broke. Most complete games in one season, 35 in 1917. Most innings
> : pitched in a World Series game, 14 in 1916 series. Lowest ERA for a
> : left-hander in one season, 1.75, (Minimum of 300 IP) Cannot remember,
> : or find anything on the fourth record. But, he decided he wanted to
> : play every day, and pretty much quit pitching.
> :
> : Gary
> :

Although I see this was cross-posted to several groups, I can't believe no
Dodger fans mention Sandy Koufax. Sure, his career was short-lived, but from
1963-1966 he thoroughly dominated the league and won 2 World Series with the
Dodgers.

He won the Pitcher's Triple-Crown 3 out of 4 of those years. During those 4
years he had 97 wins against 27 losses, a 1.86 ERA, and 1228 strikeouts
against 259 walks, 89 complete games and 31 shutouts.

Oh, and also he also threw 3 no-hitters and a perfect game from 1962-1966.
So if I wanted the greatest pitcher of all time to throw one game for me in
the 7th game of the World Series, I'd pick Koufax in his prime.
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"Eric Steinberg" <estein RemoveThis @pacbell.net> wrote in message news:vBwRc.4573$vv5.1981@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
> Apparently you didn't read my post. Of course, I'm not actually a Dodger
> fan...

<Snip>
> Although I see this was cross-posted to several groups, I can't believe no
> Dodger fans mention Sandy Koufax. Sure, his career was short-lived, but from
> 1963-1966 he thoroughly dominated the league and won 2 World Series with the
> Dodgers.
<Snip>

I never assumed you were. I was actually replying to the question, not your specific thread. I saw in your SIG that you're an Angel fan. My point was that nobody in the Dodger newsgroup had yet mentioned Koufax and all his achievements.
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"Jeff Plas" <none RemoveThis @spammer.bitch> wrote in message
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> Maddux's 300th got my mother in law and I talking. Who's your vote for
the
> greatest pitcher of all time? Cy's got more wins than anyone in history,
> but also has more losses. Johnson? Mathewson? Spahn? Ryan? Carlton?
> Perry? Sever? Paige? Or could it be Maddux, Clemens, or Johnson? Who's
your
> vote? I'd probably give mine to Johnson, but not by much.

That's tough. The game changes, the stadiums change, the way pitchers
are used changes..heck..even the ball changes. I can't say that if Ryan
and Spahn pitched at the same time that Spahn would be better. I can't
look at 50 year old stats and project them into today's game...so all I can
do is go on what I have seen.. Personally I would probably give the nod
to Ryan but that's based solely on emotions. He seemed like the kind of
pitcher that could toss a no hitter at will. His motion was so fluid and
his
control was so great that he just seemed so powerful. Just my biased .02.

AG
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Jack Chesbro

"Jeff Plas" <none.RemoveThis@spammer.bitch> wrote in message
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> Maddux's 300th got my mother in law and I talking. Who's your vote for
the
> greatest pitcher of all time? Cy's got more wins than anyone in history,
> but also has more losses. Johnson? Mathewson? Spahn? Ryan? Carlton?
> Perry? Sever? Paige? Or could it be Maddux, Clemens, or Johnson? Who's
your
> vote? I'd probably give mine to Johnson, but not by much.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
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He's dead!
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Steveo wrote:
> He's dead!

well, that narrows it down a bit
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"ziggy" <erickandsuzanneNOSPAM.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Steveo wrote:
> > He's dead!
>
> well, that narrows it down a bit
>
I hope it closes this cross posted stink bait. :p
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