Good White Sox Series.

it didn't matter the play was dead. what is your point/

"Frank Sereno" <fserenonospam.RemoveThis@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Al Bundy wrote:
>> Cubs looked like a good major league team for a change. May it
>> continue. Good teams win the one run games and the low scoring games.
>> So this series sweep was especially good.
>
> Well, except for that Keystone Kops baserunning in the 8th inning. I
> don't understand why these guys are so clueless. They've been playing
> since they were 5 or 6 years old. They should know that once you get to a
> base, you freaking stay there. You don't try to go back to the base that
> you occupied before.
>
> If you have two runners on 2nd and no means to advance, both should just
> stay on the base and let one be tagged out. And stay there until the ump
> has indicated which runner is out. So many times the fielder has tagged
> the wrong guy, that runner steps off the base and both runners end up
> being tagged out on the play.
>
> Then you have the dumb move of trying to advance to 3rd on a ball hit to
> shallow center. It's just too easy of a play to cut off the ball and
> throw to third. The Sox aren't going to the let the ball go through
> because there is no way Pie could be thrown out at the plate with his
> speed. That was not good thinking by Pagan on that play at all.
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i just re-read your post
what game we you watching?
the play was called dead by the third base ump when the white sox short stop
interfered with the runner from first base. felix pie saw the ump call the
play dead and stopped running (as well as being held up by the tbc) and for
some reason took off for home. but the play was dead because of a white
sock brain fart not a cub's, so what are you talkiing about?
so i know
thanks
very good road sweep for the cubs
was comiskey sold out or are sox fans goingback to thier old passive ways?
big week comingup for the cubs, easy rockies and division leaders as well as
some nationally televised games against the brewers


"Frank Sereno" <fserenonospam.RemoveThis@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Al Bundy wrote:
>> Cubs looked like a good major league team for a change. May it
>> continue. Good teams win the one run games and the low scoring games.
>> So this series sweep was especially good.
>
> Well, except for that Keystone Kops baserunning in the 8th inning. I
> don't understand why these guys are so clueless. They've been playing
> since they were 5 or 6 years old. They should know that once you get to a
> base, you freaking stay there. You don't try to go back to the base that
> you occupied before.
>
> If you have two runners on 2nd and no means to advance, both should just
> stay on the base and let one be tagged out. And stay there until the ump
> has indicated which runner is out. So many times the fielder has tagged
> the wrong guy, that runner steps off the base and both runners end up
> being tagged out on the play.
>
> Then you have the dumb move of trying to advance to 3rd on a ball hit to
> shallow center. It's just too easy of a play to cut off the ball and
> throw to third. The Sox aren't going to the let the ball go through
> because there is no way Pie could be thrown out at the plate with his
> speed. That was not good thinking by Pagan on that play at all.
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The Sox aren't going to the let the
> ball go through because there is no way Pie could be thrown out at the
> plate with his speed. That was not good thinking by Pagan on that play at
> all.


that play created the run look at it that way, the way i saw it pie was dead
to right if the throw had gone through
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kramerica industries wrote:
> i just re-read your post
> what game we you watching?
> the play was called dead by the third base ump when the white sox short stop
> interfered with the runner from first base. felix pie saw the ump call the
> play dead and stopped running (as well as being held up by the tbc) and for
> some reason took off for home. but the play was dead because of a white
> sock brain fart not a cub's, so what are you talkiing about?
> so i know
> thanks
> very good road sweep for the cubs
> was comiskey sold out or are sox fans goingback to thier old passive ways?
> big week comingup for the cubs, easy rockies and division leaders as well as
> some nationally televised games against the brewers

I'll just let you know that at this point I've added you to my
killfile and I won't have to read your poorly written messages
any longer.

Yes, the Cubs got lucky in that the umpires after a long
discussion decided that the play should have been stopped at the
point of interference. On the other hand, not one of the Cub
base runners understood this and ran around like they had never
played the game before.

I guess I'd have to go to YouTube to check the replay again, but
I don't know that Pie was aware of the interference call. He
stopped because Quade gave him a stop sign. And if he were aware
of the interference call, why did he break for the plate when
DeRosa was in the rundown between first and second?

The Cubs played a nice series. Of course, the Sox are rapidly
turning into one of the worst teams in the majors. My point
still stands the Cubs ran the bases like idiots in the 8th inning.

>
> "Frank Sereno" <fserenonospam.DeleteThis@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:95Cfi.17703$y_7.15551@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> Al Bundy wrote:
>>> Cubs looked like a good major league team for a change. May it
>>> continue. Good teams win the one run games and the low scoring games.
>>> So this series sweep was especially good.
>> Well, except for that Keystone Kops baserunning in the 8th inning. I
>> don't understand why these guys are so clueless. They've been playing
>> since they were 5 or 6 years old. They should know that once you get to a
>> base, you freaking stay there. You don't try to go back to the base that
>> you occupied before.
>>
>> If you have two runners on 2nd and no means to advance, both should just
>> stay on the base and let one be tagged out. And stay there until the ump
>> has indicated which runner is out. So many times the fielder has tagged
>> the wrong guy, that runner steps off the base and both runners end up
>> being tagged out on the play.
>>
>> Then you have the dumb move of trying to advance to 3rd on a ball hit to
>> shallow center. It's just too easy of a play to cut off the ball and
>> throw to third. The Sox aren't going to the let the ball go through
>> because there is no way Pie could be thrown out at the plate with his
>> speed. That was not good thinking by Pagan on that play at all.
>
>
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Bubbamike_01 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:59:18 GMT, Frank Sereno
> <fserenonospam DeleteThis @nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Cubs got lucky in that the umpires after a long
>> discussion decided that the play should have been stopped at the
>> point of interference.
>
> In general your point is well taken except that even if the Umps had
> not made the interference call the Cubs would still have won, only it
> would have been 2-0 instead of 3-0. In this case, and with the
> advantage of hindsight it was a non-event.
>
> --

But it was still stupid baserunning which has been a problem with
the Cubs for several seasons now. It had no effect on the
outcome of the game, but it is difficult to generate much hope
for success for this team when they keep having spells of play
like a group of t-ballers.
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I see your point but the interference called took place before either
of the run downs. so we can not blame the runners after the call as
the third base ump made the call quickly and visually. However, you
are right that they shouldn't have got bunched up before the
interference.

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:01:20 GMT, Frank Sereno
<fserenonospam DeleteThis @nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote:

>But it was still stupid baserunning which has been a problem with
>the Cubs for several seasons now. It had no effect on the
>outcome of the game, but it is difficult to generate much hope
>for success for this team when they keep having spells of play
>like a group of t-ballers.
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Frank Sereno <fserenonospam RemoveThis @nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in
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> Bubbamike_01 RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:59:18 GMT, Frank Sereno
>> <fserenonospam RemoveThis @nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the Cubs got lucky in that the umpires after a long
>>> discussion decided that the play should have been stopped at
>>> the point of interference.
>>
>> In general your point is well taken except that even if the
>> Umps had not made the interference call the Cubs would still
>> have won, only it would have been 2-0 instead of 3-0. In this
>> case, and with the advantage of hindsight it was a non-event.
>>
>> --
>
> But it was still stupid baserunning which has been a problem
> with the Cubs for several seasons now. It had no effect on the
> outcome of the game, but it is difficult to generate much hope
> for success for this team when they keep having spells of play
> like a group of t-ballers.

There's reason for hope based on what Piniella has done with the
team so far. He's reshaped the defense and what was once a problem
now appears to be a strength. In contrast to the past 4 seasons,
players are now held accountable, and the message has been sent
that those who do not perform or execute fundamentally will not be
around long. Young players are finally on even ground with the
veterans, and it's paying off so far.

The Cubs may not win the division, but I have more hope for the
future of the team now then I did at the start of the season, or at
any time in the past 2 seasons.
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