Game plan for Pedro

OceanView wrote:
> "Dano" <janeanddano.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> >
> > <dvaoa.TakeThisOut@altavista.com> wrote in message
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> >> I'm wondering if Francona will preach patience against Petey tonight to
> >> get his pitch count up early, like the Yankees used to do. If they can
> >> get him up ~100 pitches by the 5th and the game's still close, I like
> >> our chances. Assuming Beckett pitches like the Fenway Beckett, not the
> >> Road Beckett.
> >>
> > You got me wondering...when was the last time Petey faced Papi and Manny?
> > Has he ever faced Youks? This should be very interesting.
> >
> >
> >
>
> My guess would be 1999, when both were on other AL teams (CLE and MIN). I
> doubt he's ever face Youk, has probably face Lowell and Loretta in the NL,
> has faced Crisp in the AL, has probably never face Varitek or Nixon. Of all
> them, I would think Tek would have the best idea of what he's got!

The two sox players with the best record against Pedro are Kapler (2-5
with a triple) and Willie Harris (2-3).

Manny: .138/.138/.172 in 29 PAs (13 Ks)
Papi: .200/.250/.467 in 16 PAs (6 Ks)
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<dvaoa.RemoveThis@altavista.com> wrote in message
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> I'm wondering if Francona will preach patience against Petey tonight to
> get his pitch count up early, like the Yankees used to do. If they can
> get him up ~100 pitches by the 5th and the game's still close, I like
> our chances. Assuming Beckett pitches like the Fenway Beckett, not the
> Road Beckett.
>
You got me wondering...when was the last time Petey faced Papi and Manny?
Has he ever faced Youks? This should be very interesting.
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Dano wrote:

> Now you've done it. Don't you know you're suppose to stand and cheer...show
> the love for all he did for us. I loved the part yesterday when he
> recounted how there was no joy in Fenway before he joined our pathetic
> little ballclub. I guess he had such a great view from that hotbed of rabid
> baseball hysteria in Montreal...where they routinely filled that park (yeah
> right). The guy has the greatest ego in the history of baseball.
>
> And for bringing us all that joy Petey was only paid EIGHTY FOUR MILLION
> DOLLARS. WE are so fortunate he sacrificed...all for us mere mortals.
>
> I loved having the opportunity to see him play here. Without question the
> greatest pitcher (including Roger) I've ever had the pleasure to see in
> person...and they each actually pitched for my team...for awhile anyway.
> But if we owe anyone for that, I almost hate to admit it...it's Duquette for
> bringing them here in the first place, (actually the credit for Roger, may
> be Gorman's maybe? but I hope you see my point) and agreeing to pay them so
> much of our ticket and beer proceeds.
>
> Thanks Petey...for the good times...but also for selling out to the highest
> bidder in spite of the nearly 100 hundred million you were already worth.
> Thereby teaching us a valuable lesson in business and loyalty. Thank you.

How DARE you question the Mighty Pedro...after all the lepers he cured,
the dead he raised, the K's he put up...to suggest that financials may
have clouded his motives is sacrilige!!

You, sir, are no Sox fan. Off the island, scoundrel

RF
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OceanView wrote:

> True, but in pitching, it's usually evolve or die. Fireballers have to add
> more pitches as they lose velocity. He's still pretty hard to hit and will
> likely be pumped up, so it will be a challenge.

After tasting mortality for the first time after he hurt himself in
that 1999 All Star game, I wondered if he'd ever be able to transition
to a control pitcher in his twilight years, mindset-wise. Physically I
always thought he could because of his location, but I didn't know if
his ego would get in the way. It looks like he may be making that
adjustment.

RF
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"Kato" <MHerve1.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> OceanView wrote:
>> "Dano" <janeanddano.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:ZOednUMi0abyPj_ZnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>> >
>> > <dvaoa.TakeThisOut@altavista.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1151506284.478502.116310@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> I'm wondering if Francona will preach patience against Petey tonight
>> >> to
>> >> get his pitch count up early, like the Yankees used to do. If they
>> >> can
>> >> get him up ~100 pitches by the 5th and the game's still close, I like
>> >> our chances. Assuming Beckett pitches like the Fenway Beckett, not
>> >> the
>> >> Road Beckett.
>> >>
>> > You got me wondering...when was the last time Petey faced Papi and
>> > Manny?
>> > Has he ever faced Youks? This should be very interesting.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> My guess would be 1999, when both were on other AL teams (CLE and MIN).
>> I
>> doubt he's ever face Youk, has probably face Lowell and Loretta in the
>> NL,
>> has faced Crisp in the AL, has probably never face Varitek or Nixon. Of
>> all
>> them, I would think Tek would have the best idea of what he's got!
>
> The two sox players with the best record against Pedro are Kapler (2-5
> with a triple) and Willie Harris (2-3).
>
> Manny: .138/.138/.172 in 29 PAs (13 Ks)
> Papi: .200/.250/.467 in 16 PAs (6 Ks)
>Part of the plan would be to place 3 or 4 fans behind the Mets dugout to
>insult Pedro, we know how well that worked when it was 1 Sox fan behind his
>dugout in the past. I respect what he did for the franchise but his
>allowing him to use his agent to get a better contract from the Mets puts
>him down as a punk. There, I have said it, I loved him when he pitched for
>us, but I think that he is a bigger traitor than Damon. BTW, they are about
>even in what they said against the Sox after leaving. I hope that we kick
>his ass and he leaver in the first inning. Paul
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"taltos" <paulft1atcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Kato" <MHerve1.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> OceanView wrote:
>>> "Dano" <janeanddano.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:ZOednUMi0abyPj_ZnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > <dvaoa.DeleteThis@altavista.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:1151506284.478502.116310@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> >> I'm wondering if Francona will preach patience against Petey tonight
>>> >> to
>>> >> get his pitch count up early, like the Yankees used to do. If they
>>> >> can
>>> >> get him up ~100 pitches by the 5th and the game's still close, I like
>>> >> our chances. Assuming Beckett pitches like the Fenway Beckett, not
>>> >> the
>>> >> Road Beckett.
>>> >>
>>> > You got me wondering...when was the last time Petey faced Papi and
>>> > Manny?
>>> > Has he ever faced Youks? This should be very interesting.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> My guess would be 1999, when both were on other AL teams (CLE and MIN).
>>> I
>>> doubt he's ever face Youk, has probably face Lowell and Loretta in the
>>> NL,
>>> has faced Crisp in the AL, has probably never face Varitek or Nixon. Of
>>> all
>>> them, I would think Tek would have the best idea of what he's got!
>>
>> The two sox players with the best record against Pedro are Kapler (2-5
>> with a triple) and Willie Harris (2-3).
>>
>> Manny: .138/.138/.172 in 29 PAs (13 Ks)
>> Papi: .200/.250/.467 in 16 PAs (6 Ks)
>>Part of the plan would be to place 3 or 4 fans behind the Mets dugout to
>>insult Pedro, we know how well that worked when it was 1 Sox fan behind
>>his dugout in the past. I respect what he did for the franchise but his
>>allowing him to use his agent to get a better contract from the Mets puts
>>him down as a punk. There, I have said it, I loved him when he pitched for
>>us, but I think that he is a bigger traitor than Damon. BTW, they are
>>about even in what they said against the Sox after leaving. I hope that we
>>kick his ass and he leaver in the first inning. Paul
>
>
Now you've done it. Don't you know you're suppose to stand and cheer...show
the love for all he did for us. I loved the part yesterday when he
recounted how there was no joy in Fenway before he joined our pathetic
little ballclub. I guess he had such a great view from that hotbed of rabid
baseball hysteria in Montreal...where they routinely filled that park (yeah
right). The guy has the greatest ego in the history of baseball.

And for bringing us all that joy Petey was only paid EIGHTY FOUR MILLION
DOLLARS. WE are so fortunate he sacrificed...all for us mere mortals.

I loved having the opportunity to see him play here. Without question the
greatest pitcher (including Roger) I've ever had the pleasure to see in
person...and they each actually pitched for my team...for awhile anyway.
But if we owe anyone for that, I almost hate to admit it...it's Duquette for
bringing them here in the first place, (actually the credit for Roger, may
be Gorman's maybe? but I hope you see my point) and agreeing to pay them so
much of our ticket and beer proceeds.

Thanks Petey...for the good times...but also for selling out to the highest
bidder in spite of the nearly 100 hundred million you were already worth.
Thereby teaching us a valuable lesson in business and loyalty. Thank you.
 >> Stay informed about: Game plan for Pedro 

"Dano" <janeanddano.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
> <dvaoa.DeleteThis@altavista.com> wrote in message
> news:1151506284.478502.116310@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> I'm wondering if Francona will preach patience against Petey tonight to
>> get his pitch count up early, like the Yankees used to do. If they can
>> get him up ~100 pitches by the 5th and the game's still close, I like
>> our chances. Assuming Beckett pitches like the Fenway Beckett, not the
>> Road Beckett.
>>
> You got me wondering...when was the last time Petey faced Papi and Manny?
> Has he ever faced Youks? This should be very interesting.
>
>
>

My guess would be 1999, when both were on other AL teams (CLE and MIN). I
doubt he's ever face Youk, has probably face Lowell and Loretta in the NL,
has faced Crisp in the AL, has probably never face Varitek or Nixon. Of all
them, I would think Tek would have the best idea of what he's got!
 >> Stay informed about: Game plan for Pedro 

Kato wrote:

> The two sox players with the best record against Pedro are Kapler (2-5
> with a triple) and Willie Harris (2-3).
>
> Manny: .138/.138/.172 in 29 PAs (13 Ks)
> Papi: .200/.250/.467 in 16 PAs (6 Ks)

Perhaps a call-up of Enrique Wilson is in order for today?

--
Griffin
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Slider?
--McDuck
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:08:11 -0400, "Dano" <janeanddano.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
quacked:


>>
>Now you've done it. Don't you know you're suppose to stand and cheer...show
>the love for all he did for us. I loved the part yesterday when he
>recounted how there was no joy in Fenway before he joined our pathetic
>little ballclub. I guess he had such a great view from that hotbed of rabid
>baseball hysteria in Montreal...where they routinely filled that park (yeah
>right). The guy has the greatest ego in the history of baseball.

Did Pedro call the ball club "pathetic" or is that just you? Did he
say his impression of the negativity at Fenway was based on what he
learned in Montreal, or was that just you? I'm an easy grader, but I'm
afraid I have to give you an F, both for failed sarcasm and lack of
objectivity.

Did you at least grin when Pedro said he wanted to wash away the
negativity in Boston by throwing a bucket of water on CHB? Or does
your strong dislike of Pedro cause you to lose what little sense of
humor you may possess?

I assume you do concede that the atmosphere in Boston baseball has
changed radically since Pedro. If not, you are really missing the
scene. Fine if you don't want to give Pedro any of the credit for that
change (or for a similar but less dramatic change at Shea, or so I'm
told). The credit may properly go to Millar, for all I know.

Yesterday, you were telling us that Pedro had this fragile ego that
made him insecure in the face of Schilling, the v. good pitcher for
the RS who would never claim to be in Pedro's league (and Schill has
an ego --- he's just not nuts about it). Now you tell us that Pedro
has "the greatest ego in baseball history". Wow. Never heard of Reggie
Jackson, I assume.
--McDuck
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dvaoa.RemoveThis@altavista.com wrote in
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>
> OceanView wrote:
>> "Dano" <janeanddano.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:ZOednUMi0abyPj_ZnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>> >
>> > <dvaoa.RemoveThis@altavista.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1151506284.478502.116310@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> I'm wondering if Francona will preach patience against Petey tonight
>> >> to get his pitch count up early, like the Yankees used to do. If
>> >> they can get him up ~100 pitches by the 5th and the game's still
>> >> close, I like our chances. Assuming Beckett pitches like the Fenway
>> >> Beckett, not the Road Beckett.
>> >>
>> > You got me wondering...when was the last time Petey faced Papi and
>> > Manny? Has he ever faced Youks? This should be very interesting.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> My guess would be 1999, when both were on other AL teams (CLE and MIN).
>> I doubt he's ever face Youk, has probably face Lowell and Loretta in
>> the NL, has faced Crisp in the AL, has probably never face Varitek or
>> Nixon. Of all them, I would think Tek would have the best idea of what
>> he's got!
>
> Except from what I gather he's got more of a mixed bag of tricks at
> this point...which I think would make him more dangerous than his old
> FB/slider/change fare.
>
> RF
>
>

True, but in pitching, it's usually evolve or die. Fireballers have to add
more pitches as they lose velocity. He's still pretty hard to hit and will
likely be pumped up, so it will be a challenge.
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:17:53 -0400, "Dano" <janeanddano.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
quacked:

>
>"McDuck" <wallymcduckDELETEME.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:v5p5a253210bss97plle5hu1ff6kpg0e8t@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:08:11 -0400, "Dano" <janeanddano.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
>> quacked:

> I'm an easy grader, but I'm
>> afraid I have to give you an F, both for failed sarcasm and lack of
>> objectivity.
>
>
>I also didn't know I was taking your course Professor...what would that be
>Sarcsm 101?
>

I won't touch this one.
--McDuck
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"McDuck" <wallymcduckDELETEME.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:17:53 -0400, "Dano" <janeanddano.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
> quacked:
>
>>
>>"McDuck" <wallymcduckDELETEME.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:v5p5a253210bss97plle5hu1ff6kpg0e8t@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:08:11 -0400, "Dano" <janeanddano.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
>>> quacked:
>
>> I'm an easy grader, but I'm
>>> afraid I have to give you an F, both for failed sarcasm and lack of
>>> objectivity.
>>
>>
>>I also didn't know I was taking your course Professor...what would that be
>>Sarcsm 101?
>>
>
> I won't touch this one.
> --McDuck

You aren't even thinking of marking me down over a typo are you Perfesser???
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