GRIMSLEY!

Ava May <Avamay-.TakeThisOut@webtv.net> wrote:

> WHOA...CAN'T WAIT TO READ YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS BOMB HITTING OUR TEAM
> ..WE ARE RIGHT UP THERE FINALLY AND NOW THIS...KNOW YOU FELLAS THAT
> FOLLOW THE TEAM'S EVERY MOVE WILL HAVE OPINIONS ..OUR PAPERS JUST SAY
> SO MUCH, SO I, FOR ONE WILL BE LOOKING FOR YOUR IN DEPTH OPINIONS.

There doesn't seem to be much else to say about this. He got nailed and
initially cooperated with prosecutors until they pressured him to wear a
"wire" to implicate Barry Bonds. At his request, he's been released, but
he was on the way out anyway, simply because the D-Backs have better
options available. It appears his career's over, as even his agent
believes he's done.

It stinks that this happened to the D-Backs now, but he won't be the last
major league player caught up in this investigation. Before it's all
done, I'd guess that the majority of big league teams have at least one
player implicated in either this mess or a similar one. Doping is a major
problem in baseball, and the current drug-testing regimen isn't going to
catch those who use HGH or other drugs that aren't currently detectable
via urinalysis.

There are two primary questions right now:

* Who else on the D-Backs might be implicated by Grimsley?

* How much impact will this have on the team?

Judging by the three game sweep at home against the Phillies, it's safe to
say that this scandal isn't helping the team right now. If it goes away
quickly and no other D-Backs players are implicated/indicted between now
and the end of the season, the impact should be negligible in the long
run. If it drags out and other players are implicated, especially if
popular or franchise players get dragged in, then this will probably doom
any chance the D-Backs have to win their division this year.

--Paul
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On 08 Jun 2006, the voices tell me "Blair P. Houghton"
<blair.houghton.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul Wylie wrote:
>> * Who else on the D-Backs might be implicated by Grimsley?
>
> Didn't he implicate every player in MLB in a conspiracy when he talked
> about the coffee pots in the clubhouses?
>
>> * How much impact will this have on the team?
>
> Frankly, I didn't even realize he was still on the team until this
> story broke...
>
>> Judging by the three game sweep at home against the Phillies, it's
>> safe to say that this scandal isn't helping the team right now. If
>> it goes away quickly and no other D-Backs players are
>> implicated/indicted between now and the end of the season, the impact
>> should be negligible in the long run. If it drags out and other
>> players are implicated, especially if popular or franchise players
>> get dragged in, then this will probably doom any chance the D-Backs
>> have to win their division this year.
>
> I think the Phils beat us plainly. This thing should have an effect
> on every team.
>
> And it's good that it's finally blowing up in baseball's face.
>
> I'm getting really tired of a form of entertainment based on a kid's
> game being as dirty and drug-addled and greed-headed and competitively
> corrupt as the world we're trying to escape when we go to watch it.
>
> I don't care at this point whose career is destroyed, what it does to
> the record books, what teams fold, or what faux fans and
> self-appointed sports journalists get their panties in a twist. Toss
> them all in a gunnysack, drown them in the river, and start over.
>
> --Blair
> "Let the modern era begin in 2007."
>
>

You think it'll stop at pharmaceuticals and illegal chemicals?

You watch; the next crusade will be against vitamins, protein shakes and
other completely legal but "performance-enhancing" regimens. And I
wouldn't be surprised to see sportsmedicine, training and surgical
techniques that result in enhanced performance follow close behind.

It's all about tearing down heroes (for that matter, anyone who achieves
individual fame or success), because US society -- indeed, any society
built on egalitarian rather than meritocratic foundations -- can't stand
to leave any standing. Thus, we get the stories of how Mantle was a
druggie and a boozer, how Dr. King was a skirt-chaser, and so forth, with
seldom a word as to why anyone should care about them enough in the first
place to worry about anything else they may have done. Build 'em up, tear
'em down, make sure to kick as much dust on the corpse as can be found --
or reasonably made up.

Me, I don't give a rat's behind what anyone puts into or does to or with
his or her body. Is some of this stuff risky? Sure. But so is flying as
many miles as pro athletes fly. So is stepping out on a dirt, rock and
sod field with metal stakes on the soles of your shoes or letting a hard
projectile head your way at 100 MPH (to say nothing of having a
linebacker do much the same). Life is nothing but risks, choices and
trade-offs; bitching about someone taking a risk and making a choice to
improve his, and thus his team's, performance is nothing but an attempt
to deny his rights and the very nature of human existence.

Both of which are things humans have proven very effective at throughout
history, sadly...

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YKW '06 wrote:
> You think it'll stop at pharmaceuticals and illegal chemicals?

Yes. I do.

> You watch; the next crusade will be against vitamins, protein shakes and
> other completely legal but "performance-enhancing" regimens.

No, it won't.

See, the hypocrisy is in saying "it's not against the rules" even
though it's against the law.

> It's all about tearing down heroes (for that matter, anyone who achieves
> individual fame or success), because US society -- indeed, any society
> built on egalitarian rather than meritocratic foundations -- can't stand
> to leave any standing.

I call shenanigans. Washington and Jefferson second. The motion
carries.

--Blair
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he's isn't doing anything that every other player is doing.
only he got caught. he's on the end of his long career...
means he's seen a lot, knows a lot, and knows a lot of people. and to
make it easier on the NAACP and minority groups, he's white. Mind you,
he has NOT tested positive for anything, any minority player would
scream discrimination, and you would never hear about this.

the feds needed someone to help them out..they chose Grims, he did
until the feds demanded more more and more until he finally said 'no'
then they renegged on their deal and viola, you have a 'non
cooperative' player who gets reamed.

I live in a KAtrina affected area, and no one knows about us because
we're not a chocolate city. andf I see daily how more and more aid
hits Newe Orleans but we get passed over, and had worse damage...
if the feds rape us (an entire coastal reigon)daily in order to please
a minority 'city' then I can't imagine it being any different for a
singled out white male, wealthy.

I hate it for Grims, because if no one reads between the lines, he
looks like the bad guy, when allm he is in reality is the MLB
scapegoat for this season....



On 9 Jun 2006 09:48:38 -0700, "Blair P. Houghton"
<blair.houghton.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>YKW '06 wrote:
>> You think it'll stop at pharmaceuticals and illegal chemicals?
>
>Yes. I do.
>
>> You watch; the next crusade will be against vitamins, protein shakes and
>> other completely legal but "performance-enhancing" regimens.
>
>No, it won't.
>
>See, the hypocrisy is in saying "it's not against the rules" even
>though it's against the law.
>
>> It's all about tearing down heroes (for that matter, anyone who achieves
>> individual fame or success), because US society -- indeed, any society
>> built on egalitarian rather than meritocratic foundations -- can't stand
>> to leave any standing.
>
>I call shenanigans. Washington and Jefferson second. The motion
>carries.
>
>--Blair
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excessive wrote:
> he's isn't doing anything that every other player is[n't] doing.

Then fire them all and start over.

Thing is, there may be some people who are competing according to the
rules and the laws.

And there are millions of people watching who believe they're watching
a competititon among physically superior human beings, when they're
watching a freak-show among chemically constructed monsters.

If you're not going to care about an honest athletic product, you might
as well just let them shoot PCP before every game.

> only he got caught. he's on the end of his long career...
> means he's seen a lot, knows a lot, and knows a lot of people. and to
> make it easier on the NAACP and minority groups, he's white. Mind you,
> he has NOT tested positive for anything, any minority player would
> scream discrimination, and you would never hear about this.

Do you go around looking for ways to express your fear of minorities?

> the feds needed someone to help them out..they chose Grims, he did
> until the feds demanded more more and more until he finally said 'no'
> then they renegged on their deal and viola, you have a 'non
> cooperative' player who gets reamed.

You don't know how many other players they had this quality of lead on.
May be none. May be there are ten or twenty or fifty similar
investigations in progress.

> I live in a KAtrina affected area, and no one knows about us because
> we're not a chocolate city.

Nobody knew about you before Katrina; New Orleans was one of America's
most cherished cities. If you think that should change because it got
destroyed, you're wrong.

> andf I see daily how more and more aid
> hits Newe Orleans but we get passed over, and had worse damage...
> if the feds rape us (an entire coastal reigon)daily in order to please
> a minority 'city' then I can't imagine it being any different for a
> singled out white male, wealthy.

I don't have a clue why you think Grimsley's crimes have anything to do
with Bush's refusal to prioritize Americans over Iraqis.

> I hate it for Grims, because if no one reads between the lines, he
> looks like the bad guy, when allm he is in reality is the MLB
> scapegoat for this season....

Grimsley ***is*** a bad guy. He admitted acting illegally. He should
do time.

Being in MLB doesn't give anyone the right to break the law.

The players who took, bought, or distributed illegal drugs are bad
guys. The managers who knew about it, conspired in it, or knowingly
depended on it, are bad guys. The owners who allowed or encouraged it
are bad guys. The commissioners who knew about it, suspected it,
suborned it, covered it up, or ignored it, rather than forcing it to
stop, are bad guys. This isn't an exhaustive list.

And any fan who believes it's right in any way, that it's justified for
any reason, is a bad guy.

But a wrong belief is the easiest thing to change.

--Blair
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>
>Do you go around looking for ways to express your fear of minorities?


I don't have a fear of anything except narrow minded people who think
living in a politiclly correct world is a solution, rather than a
problem. Where I live, there isn't majority or minority...only people,
maybe it's you who has the problem...
>
>You don't know how many other players they had this quality of lead on.
> May be none. May be there are ten or twenty or fifty similar
>investigations in progress.

they needed a whistle blower, when he initially met their wishes and
honored their request all was well. however when they asked him to
wear a wire to narc out his teammates, he refused. I actually applaud
him for not ratting out a team and/or league. I am not saying what he
diid was right, it wasn't. but why should he wear the stigma of the
HGH era when plenty of more candidates are known?

>Nobody knew about you before Katrina; New Orleans was one of America's
>most cherished cities. If you think that should change because it got
>destroyed, you're wrong.
>

oh dear god, you evidently have never been to Nawlins. I live 30 miles
away from the eye of K. and I receive the New Orleans local nmews and
radio...if you knew half of what was going on, you'd shut your pie
hole...you don't so I let your bs fly...to each their own.
y.
>
>I don't have a clue why you think Grimsley's crimes have anything to do
>with Bush's refusal to prioritize Americans over Iraqis.

who brought up Iraq?

>Grimsley ***is*** a bad guy. He admitted acting illegally. He should
>do time.
>
>Being in MLB doesn't give anyone the right to break the law.

The clintons killed anyone involved with Whitewater. Remember Vince
Foster? shredded documents, obstructed justice...but thats ok,
right????

>
>The players who took, bought, or distributed illegal drugs are bad
>guys. The managers who knew about it, conspired in it, or knowingly
>depended on it, are bad guys. The owners who allowed or encouraged it
>are bad guys. The commissioners who knew about it, suspected it,
>suborned it, covered it up, or ignored it, rather than forcing it to
>stop, are bad guys. This isn't an exhaustive list.

you're right..the list is short...
THE LEAGUE
howz zat?
>
>And any fan who believes it's right in any way, that it's justified for
>any reason, is a bad guy.
so now I am a bad guy because I agree with Grimsley's desicion not to
narc out everyone he's known to have doped up? pleeeeeze
>
>But a wrong belief is the easiest thing to change.

lemme guess, you're always right??


have a coke and a smile and a GREAT weekend!!

I know I will
full of CAJUN food from an uncherished city. Maybe when the hand of
God wipes everything away for 150 aquare miles around you...it'll be
worth a chuckle???



Rick
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