Future Red Sox

"JFF" <KB1FER.DeleteThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Just a thought - what about future Red Sox position players from the
> farm system?
>
> A few are:
> c - Alberto Concepcion, Mitch Stachowsky

Neither

> 1b - Jeremy West, Ian Bladergroen

West was okay, Bladergroen was hurt but also bad when healthy. Saw him in
Cap City and thought he was better then.

> 2b - Charles Jeroloman, Brett LeVier

Jed Lowery is much better than both

> 3b - Chad Spann, Scott White, Andrew Pinckney

I like Pinckney, lot of power.

> ss - Dustin Pedroia, Christian Lara, Zach Borowiak

Pedroia is a solid player, Machado is also very good (doesn't get credit but
younger than you'd think)

> of - Brandon Moss, Chris Durbin, Claudio Arias, David Murphy, Sheldon
> Fulse, Bryan Pritz, Matt Van Der Bosch


Moss, Durbin, Murphy are good none are great. Fulse and VDB stink. Ellsbury
may be very good.
>
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"JFF" <KB1FER.RemoveThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Just a thought - what about future Red Sox position players from the
> farm system?
>
> A few are:
> c - Alberto Concepcion, Mitch Stachowsky
> 1b - Jeremy West, Ian Bladergroen
> 2b - Charles Jeroloman, Brett LeVier
> 3b - Chad Spann, Scott White, Andrew Pinckney
> ss - Dustin Pedroia, Christian Lara, Zach Borowiak
> of - Brandon Moss, Chris Durbin, Claudio Arias, David Murphy, Sheldon
> Fulse, Bryan Pritz, Matt Van Der Bosch


Pitching is still far and away the strength. We've got Lester coming,
Delcarmen, Edgar Martinez (big surprise), Galvez, Rozier, Bucholz, Bowden.

There could be 4-5 big league pitchers in the group so I'm not down on the
system because we traded a few prospects.
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CAL CARPENTER wrote:
> "JFF" <KB1FER RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:29300-43DD181D-208@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net...
> > Just a thought - what about future Red Sox position players from the
> > farm system?
> >
> > A few are:
> > c - Alberto Concepcion, Mitch Stachowsky
>
> Neither
Agreed
>
> > 1b - Jeremy West, Ian Bladergroen
>
> West was okay, Bladergroen was hurt but also bad when healthy. Saw him in
> Cap City and thought he was better then.
>
> > 2b - Charles Jeroloman, Brett LeVier

I have a friend whose son roomed with LeVier at Sacramento St where
both played on the baseball team. Boston signed LeVier as a non-drafted
free agent. My friend says he is a real good young man. However, as a
pro he has shown almost no power or ability to draw walks. I'm afraid
he is just minor league filler.
>
> Jed Lowery is much better than both

What organization does he play for?
>
> > 3b - Chad Spann, Scott White, Andrew Pinckney
>
> I like Pinckney, lot of power.

Me too. Spann and White have both faded as prospects.
>
> > ss - Dustin Pedroia, Christian Lara, Zach Borowiak
>
> Pedroia is a solid player, Machado is also very good (doesn't get credit but
> younger than you'd think)
>
> > of - Brandon Moss, Chris Durbin, Claudio Arias, David Murphy, Sheldon
> > Fulse, Bryan Pritz, Matt Van Der Bosch
>
>
> Moss, Durbin, Murphy are good none are great. Fulse and VDB stink. Ellsbury
> may be very good.

Moss had a great 2004 and a decent 2005. Murphy is 2 years older than
Moss and had a 2005 season very close to Moss with both playing in the
Portland OF. Yet some are proclaiming it a breakthru year for Murphy
while saying Moss had a poor year. Go figure.


I think you are being too hard on Matt VDB. He played at 3 levels last
year and struggled only at the top level. Here are his college and pro
stats:

Batting Statistics Order Baseball Data
Year Team Name League Age Org. Level G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO
HBP IBB SH SF DP Avg Obp Slg Ops

2004 Oral Roberts U. NCAA 22 NCAA 61 240 75 92 13 7 3 52 44 4 53 40 5
0 2 2 .383 .500 .533 1033
2004 Lowell NYPL 22 Bos A 60 225 52 61 8 6 3 21 28 1 35 44 4 0 1 2 0
..271 .376 .400 776
2005 Greenville SAL 23 Bos A 35 124 22 36 8 3 1 13 8 3 28 32 3 0 2 2 1
..290 .427 .427 854
2005 Wilmington Caro 23 Bos A 69 265 45 75 11 3 5 28 16 5 27 69 0 0 5 2
5 .283 .347 .404 751
2005 Portland East 23 Bos AA 11 46 3 11 1 1 0 3 1 0 2 14 1 0 0 0 0
..239 .286 .304 590

Minor League Totals: 2 years 175 660 122 183 28 13 9 65 53 9 92 159 8 0
8 6 6 .277 .369 .400 769

He doesn't lok like a future star, but I am not writing him off yet.He
might become a good backup player given his speed. I suspect he will be
starting for Portland this year.Let's see how he does.
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I would like them to improve there defense with speed, quickness and
youth...Is there any major league prospects
in that group that field? Mainly, 2B, SS, CF, and catcher? U guys seem to
know what ur talking about so I am interested and maybe the front office may
get a tip from u.....
crusty
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>I would like them to improve there defense with speed, quickness and
> youth...Is there any major league prospects
> in that group that field? Mainly, 2B, SS, CF, and catcher? U guys seem
> to
> know what ur talking about so I am interested and maybe the front office
> may
> get a tip from u.....
> crusty

No catchers. Lot's of good defensive OF's led by Ellsbury. Defensively
Durbin is very good too. Moss and Murphy can both hold their own. 2B and SS
there are a few but I think of the current group only Machado, Lowrie and
Pedroia will play MLB. I honestly also like Andrew Pinckney at 3B. I'll be
interested to see how quickly the move ellsbury along this year. He will
IMHO shift Coco back to LF when he's ready and Manny is gone.
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Ellsbury and Lowrie are at least 3 years away from being ready to play
for Boston. Machado is ready this year. Pinckney and Arias both are
power hitters and are 2 years away from playing in MLB.
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"JFF" <KB1FER.TakeThisOut@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Ellsbury and Lowrie are at least 3 years away from being ready to play
> for Boston. Machado is ready this year. Pinckney and Arias both are
> power hitters and are 2 years away from playing in MLB.
>
Thank you Nostradamus.
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Ellsbury is closer than 3 years away. He is the same age as Hanley Ramirez
played 3 years of colege ball and tore up the NYPL last year. Without any
hicups he may start the year at AA, if not high A and will certainly finish
at least at AA. He will most likely begin 2007 at AAA and from there I'd bet
he'll get a September call-up if not sooner. Arias will never play in Fenway
unless it's at a fantasy camp. Pinckney I'd agree two years is fair. Machado
is better than ready he's as good as Cora as a utility player and as a
hitter he'll be far superior to Gonzalez, with a ton of speed. As for Lowrie
he also played major college ball for 3 years and may be here sooner but 3
may be fair for him too.

"JFF" <KB1FER.DeleteThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Ellsbury and Lowrie are at least 3 years away from being ready to play
> for Boston. Machado is ready this year. Pinckney and Arias both are
> power hitters and are 2 years away from playing in MLB.
>
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