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Bill Kawalec

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>sports>baseball>detroit-tigers (more info?)

"Hosmerica" wrote in message > > "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message > >> >> "Brian" wrote in message >> >>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>> >>> >> >> >> >> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter to >> swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an aggressive >> hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. > > > Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. ??? not seeing your point. > > >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080728&content_id=3211613&vk...trade20 While Ramirez was the entire weekend focus, another major talent quietly was rumored to be on the block. That would be Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay, one of the few performers in the game capable of making a very good team great. >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Are you saying Rodney had good control? Look at all the full counts he had! "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message > > "Hosmerica" wrote in message > >> >> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >> >>> >>> "Brian" wrote in message >>> >>>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter to >>> swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an aggressive >>> hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. >> >> >> Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. > > > > > > ??? > not seeing your point. > > > > > > >> >> > > >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message > > "Hosmerica" wrote in message > >> >> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >> >>> >>> "Brian" wrote in message >>> >>>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter to >>> swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an aggressive >>> hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. >> >> >> Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. > > > > > > ??? > not seeing your point. Pudge and Thames both seem to swing an aweful lot at high fastballs. It's unnerving to watch, especially for Pudge. >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:07:14 -0400, "Hosmerica" wrote: > >"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message > >> >> "Hosmerica" wrote in message >> >>> >>> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >>> >>>> >>>> "Brian" wrote in message >>>> >>>>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>>>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter to >>>> swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an aggressive >>>> hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. >>> >>> >>> Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. >> >> >> >> >> >> ??? >> not seeing your point. > > >Pudge and Thames both seem to swing an aweful lot at high fastballs. It's >unnerving to watch, especially for Pudge. Yeah, but Pudge is way past his prime these days. His days are starting to become numbered, IMO. - Scott Smith: scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Brian" wrote in message > Are you saying Rodney had good control? Look at all the full counts he > had! I'm saying he's working the hitters. Not a bad thing. The result was acceptable. Yes, I want him to work on throwing strikes more consistently, but, there may be some growing pains along the way. > "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message > >> >> "Hosmerica" wrote in message >> >>> >>> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >>> >>>> >>>> "Brian" wrote in message >>>> >>>>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>>>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter to >>>> swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an aggressive >>>> hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. >>> >>> >>> Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. >> >> >> >> >> >> ??? >> not seeing your point. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> > >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Hosmerica" wrote in message > > "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message > >> >> "Hosmerica" wrote in message >> >>> >>> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >>> >>>> >>>> "Brian" wrote in message >>>> >>>>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>>>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter to >>>> swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an aggressive >>>> hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. >>> >>> >>> Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. >> >> >> >> >> >> ??? >> not seeing your point. > > > Pudge and Thames both seem to swing an aweful lot at high fastballs. It's > unnerving to watch, especially for Pudge. well, that's what I'm saying. Agressive power hitters do that, especially when they're slumping. In the case of Thames, I'm sure as h* going to overlook some bad swings for the power production he has had. Remember Lance Parrish, with his prolonged stretches of swinging at the low, outside pitch? > > >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer**

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:06 -0400, "Bill Kawalec" wrote: > >"Hosmerica" wrote in message > >> >> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >> >>> >>> "Hosmerica" wrote in message >>> >>>> >>>> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Brian" wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>>>>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter to >>>>> swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an aggressive >>>>> hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. >>>> >>>> >>>> Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ??? >>> not seeing your point. >> >> >> Pudge and Thames both seem to swing an aweful lot at high fastballs. It's >> unnerving to watch, especially for Pudge. > > > >well, that's what I'm saying. Agressive power hitters do that, especially >when they're slumping. In the case of Thames, I'm sure as h* going to >overlook some bad swings for the power production he has had. Yes, I think Thames is forgivable, considering the production he has put out for the Tigers this season. Pudge? Not so much so....but the guy is in the sunset of his career, so some forgiveness should be given there, too, IMO. - Scott Smith: scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer**

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Hosmerica" wrote in message > > "S. Smith" wrote in message > >> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:07:48 -0400, "Hosmerica" >> wrote: >> >>> >>>>"powrwrap" wrote in message >>>> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2:20 pm, "Bill Kawalec" wrote: >>>> >>>>> It IS time to start positioning this team for next year. >>>> >>>> >>>>Really? This Twins fan is still worried that the Tigers will awaken >>>>and go on a tear. They've had a couple of 6 game win streaks but they >>>>really haven't put together a decent run of 8, 9, or 10 games in a >>>>row. I suspect they could still do that. >>> >>> >>>I don't know that you'd have too much to worry about really. The Tigers >>>pitching is riddled with injuries and not looking good at the moment. >>>It's >>>still possible they could put a really nice winning streak together, but >>>IMO >>>not very probable. >> >> And probably too little, too late. Maybe not, but it's certainly not >> looking very good for the Tigers this season. > > > If the Tigers can't win the games they need to against teams like the > Twins and the White Sox then they probably won't be going anywhere. > They're 10 -17 against those two teams. It's no wonder why they're both > still ahead of Detroit. > > And yet, if they had won 4 to 6 more in April and May, no matter who they beat, where would they be now? Who you beat only matters when you're behind, and the Tigers put themselves in a big hole in April and May. >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message > > "Hosmerica" wrote in message > >> >> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >> >>> >>> "Hosmerica" wrote in message >>> >>>> >>>> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Brian" wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>>>>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter >>>>> to swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an >>>>> aggressive hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. >>>> >>>> >>>> Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ??? >>> not seeing your point. >> >> >> Pudge and Thames both seem to swing an aweful lot at high fastballs. >> It's unnerving to watch, especially for Pudge. > > > > well, that's what I'm saying. Agressive power hitters do that, especially > when they're slumping. In the case of Thames, I'm sure as h* going to > overlook some bad swings for the power production he has had. It seems like there's no in between with him. It's either a HR or an out. > Remember Lance Parrish, with his prolonged stretches of swinging at the > low, outside pitch? As a matter of fact, yes. If I recall correctly though, his major weakness was curveballs. >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer**

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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Hosmerica" wrote in message > > "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message > >> >> "Hosmerica" wrote in message >> >>> >>> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >>> >>>> >>>> "Hosmerica" wrote in message >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Brian" wrote in message >>>>>> >>>>>>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>>>>>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter >>>>>> to swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an >>>>>> aggressive hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ??? >>>> not seeing your point. >>> >>> >>> Pudge and Thames both seem to swing an aweful lot at high fastballs. >>> It's unnerving to watch, especially for Pudge. >> >> >> >> well, that's what I'm saying. Agressive power hitters do that, especially >> when they're slumping. In the case of Thames, I'm sure as h* going to >> overlook some bad swings for the power production he has had. > > > It seems like there's no in between with him. It's either a HR or an out. > > Considering his current role on the team, I'm okay with that. >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer**

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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >>> well, that's what I'm saying. Agressive power hitters do that, >>> especially when they're slumping. In the case of Thames, I'm sure as >>> h* going to overlook some bad swings for the power production he has >>> had. >> >> >> It seems like there's no in between with him. It's either a HR or an >> out. >> >> > > > > Considering his current role on the team, I'm okay with that. I don't know that I'm ok with that. Joyce has just under half the AB's as Thames with half as many HR's, a higher (BA, OBS, SLG) and seems to get to the foul balls better than Thames. Though he does have 2 errors (vs. Thames 3 errors) in the outfield I'd rather have Joyce instead of Thames. >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer**

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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:06 -0400, "Bill Kawalec" wrote: > >"Hosmerica" wrote in message > >> >> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >> >>> >>> "Hosmerica" wrote in message >>> >>>> >>>> "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Brian" wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>> Rodney's control sure was not there in the 9th. He was lucky all 3 >>>>>> batters swung at those high pitches! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bad analysis. Part of the game, for a pitcher, is getting the hitter to >>>>> swing at your pitch. I'm sure you've noticed how often an aggressive >>>>> hitter will swing at a fastball at nearly eye level. >>>> >>>> >>>> Yet Pudge and Thames seem to do it every game. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ??? >>> not seeing your point. >> >> >> Pudge and Thames both seem to swing an aweful lot at high fastballs. It's >> unnerving to watch, especially for Pudge. > > > >well, that's what I'm saying. Agressive power hitters do that, especially >when they're slumping. In the case of Thames, I'm sure as h* going to >overlook some bad swings for the power production he has had. >Remember Lance Parrish, with his prolonged stretches of swinging at the low, >outside pitch? > > Rob Deer was always the guy that made me cringe when he came to the plate. With him it was either a strike out or a home run. Rarely did he do anything else. Regards, //// (o o) -oOO--(_)--OOo- "We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe." -- Dan Quayle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Remove nospam to email me. Steve >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer**

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(Msg. 29) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Hosmerica" wrote in message > > "Bill Kawalec" wrote in message > > >>>> well, that's what I'm saying. Agressive power hitters do that, >>>> especially when they're slumping. In the case of Thames, I'm sure as >>>> h* going to overlook some bad swings for the power production he has >>>> had. >>> >>> >>> It seems like there's no in between with him. It's either a HR or an >>> out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Considering his current role on the team, I'm okay with that. > > > > I don't know that I'm ok with that. Joyce has just under half the AB's as > Thames with half as many HR's, a higher (BA, OBS, SLG) and seems to get to > the foul balls better than Thames. Though he does have 2 errors (vs. > Thames 3 errors) in the outfield I'd rather have Joyce instead of Thames. uhhhhh, okay, but you're off somewhere else now. I was strictly speaking of Thames power hitting, not debating who should play LF regularly. IMO, for '09, they should be looking at a new LF and a new DH. > >> Stay informed about: Fernando Rodney replaces Todd Jones as closer**

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