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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 6:55 pm
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"King Tut" <kingtut_theboyking.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> New Daddy Mosey <john.RemoveThis@mosey.combat> wrote in message
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> >> And probably not very fast either, at least not compared to
> >> Cool Papa Bell. To say that Bell's 11.4 time was not real
> >> just because it happened a long time ago is silly. He was
> >> just a lot faster than people of today (or then).
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> No, that is you being biased against King Tut, as usual.
> Everyone knows you are a charter member of the anit-Tut
> faction.
>
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 7:09 pm
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> many negro league players would have been stars in the majors, and no
> doubt bell would have been one of the brightest, but lots of stories are
> just that, sotries and fables. i remember seeing on ken burn's
> documentary that cab calloway, who owned a negro league team, actually
> played for that team and with all due respect to his musical talents, i
> do not think he was a baseball player of major league caliber.
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> frank
Frank brings up an excellent point - the competition in the Negro
leagues was not always Major League caliber.
I have no doubt that Josh Gibson and Cool Papa Bell would have been
legitimate All-Stars of their times if they played in the Major
Leagues. Their talent was the best of the best. But, a small degree
of uncertainty about "how good they were" sets in because they played
against some other Negro Leaguers that would have been sub-standard
Major League talent. I even read somewhere that exhibitions versus
unorganized "teams" were sometimes added to their stats for the year.
Was Gibson an 80 homer guy, with 40 coming off comparable Major League
talent, and 40 coming off minor league talent? Or could that number
60 homers off majors and 20 off minors? Nobody will ever know
conclusively, but the lack of comparable opposition he faced
consistently casts doubts over some of his numbers. It's not like he
faced a Satchell Paige every 4th day or 5th day. |
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:40 am
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"Todd" <bacile99.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > many negro league players would have been stars in the majors, and no
> > doubt bell would have been one of the brightest, but lots of stories are
> > just that, sotries and fables. i remember seeing on ken burn's
> > documentary that cab calloway, who owned a negro league team, actually
> > played for that team and with all due respect to his musical talents, i
> > do not think he was a baseball player of major league caliber.
> >
> > frank
>
> Frank brings up an excellent point - the competition in the Negro
> leagues was not always Major League caliber.
>
> I have no doubt that Josh Gibson and Cool Papa Bell would have been
> legitimate All-Stars of their times if they played in the Major
> Leagues. Their talent was the best of the best. But, a small degree
> of uncertainty about "how good they were" sets in because they played
> against some other Negro Leaguers that would have been sub-standard
> Major League talent. I even read somewhere that exhibitions versus
> unorganized "teams" were sometimes added to their stats for the year.
> Was Gibson an 80 homer guy, with 40 coming off comparable Major League
> talent, and 40 coming off minor league talent? Or could that number
> 60 homers off majors and 20 off minors? Nobody will ever know
> conclusively, but the lack of comparable opposition he faced
> consistently casts doubts over some of his numbers. It's not like he
> faced a Satchell Paige every 4th day or 5th day.
It's almost impossible to rank an individual Negro League star among the
ML stars - we have enough arguments about where to rank the ML players
alone. But maybe you could extrapolate from the period where there was
some overlap - the decade or so after 1947 when Negro League players
(or players who would have been in the Negro Leagues) entered the majors.
You might get a sense of whether, say, the top 10 Negro League players
would be in the top 20, or the top 40-50.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:26 am
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> Beg to differ there Frank, since you never knew my grandfather, and
> obviously know nothing about his athletic talents, and are just making
> a stereotyped assumtion since he was also an artistic genuis.
> ...
> He just chose the road that was open, that's all. IF he had the equal
> footing to play ball on the same terms and with the same background as
> European American Players, I have no doubt, and those who actually saw
> him play had no doubt that he would have become as legendary in
> baseball as he was as a performing artist. But I am so glad that he
> made the choice that he did or that society made it for him, why set
> records for running and hitting and catching, when instead you can
> completely transform the culture of the most powerful nation on earth?
guess he told you!
this post sets a new standard in the category, "someone in r.s.bb knows more
about this than you do."
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:54 am
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> completely transform the culture of the most powerful nation on earth
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