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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:02 pm
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| What's the story, why was he pulled from the game?
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"Science is based on a fundamental insight - that the degree to which an
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"Colin William" <colintwilliam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What's the story, why was he pulled from the game?
>
> Colin
> ---------------------
> "Science is based on a fundamental insight - that the degree to which an
> idea seems true has nothing to do with whether it is true"
Sacrifice in the first inning. He left his index finger curled around the
handle and got plunked when the pitch sailed inside. Throwing hand.
Precautionary x-rays. I didn't hear the status.
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:57:51 -0400, "Robert Glenn Plotner"
<rgplotnerNOSPAMALOT.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Colin William" <colintwilliam.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:67fgvgF2pbhdjU1@mid.individual.net...
>> What's the story, why was he pulled from the game?
>>
>> Colin
>> ---------------------
>> "Science is based on a fundamental insight - that the degree to which an
>> idea seems true has nothing to do with whether it is true"
>
>Sacrifice in the first inning. He left his index finger curled around the
>handle and got plunked when the pitch sailed inside. Throwing hand.
>Precautionary x-rays. I didn't hear the status.
>
>Robert
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:06 am
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On Apr 25, 10:57 pm, "Robert Glenn Plotner"
<rgplotnerNOSPAMA... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Colin William" <colintwill... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:67fgvgF2pbhdjU1@mid.individual.net...
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> > What's the story, why was he pulled from the game?
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> > Colin
> > ---------------------
> > "Science is based on a fundamental insight - that the degree to which an
> > idea seems true has nothing to do with whether it is true"
>
> Sacrifice in the first inning. He left his index finger curled around the
> handle and got plunked when the pitch sailed inside. Throwing hand.
> Precautionary x-rays. I didn't hear the status.
X-rays were negative. Day to day.
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Ball hit his hand when he bunted...Seems to me he is about as good as
Furcal was...C
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who'sthat wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:57:51 -0400, "Robert Glenn Plotner"
>> <rgplotnerNOSPAMALOT DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> "Colin William" <colintwilliam DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:67fgvgF2pbhdjU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> What's the story, why was he pulled from the game?
>>>>
>>>> Colin
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> "Science is based on a fundamental insight - that the degree to
>>>> which an idea seems true has nothing to do with whether it is true"
>>>
>>> Sacrifice in the first inning. He left his index finger curled
>>> around the handle and got plunked when the pitch sailed inside.
>>> Throwing hand. Precautionary x-rays. I didn't hear the status.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>> Didn't we learn how to hold the bat when bunting in Little League?
Yes. And as career advice goes, that's apparently not as important as we
were led to believe. <shrug>
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:26:53 -0500, "bgs" <bgs.DeleteThis@mindless.com> wrote:
>who'sthat wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:57:51 -0400, "Robert Glenn Plotner"
>>> <rgplotnerNOSPAMALOT.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>> "Colin William" <colintwilliam.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:67fgvgF2pbhdjU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> What's the story, why was he pulled from the game?
>>>>>
>>>>> Colin
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> "Science is based on a fundamental insight - that the degree to
>>>>> which an idea seems true has nothing to do with whether it is true"
>>>>
>>>> Sacrifice in the first inning. He left his index finger curled
>>>> around the handle and got plunked when the pitch sailed inside.
>>>> Throwing hand. Precautionary x-rays. I didn't hear the status.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>> Didn't we learn how to hold the bat when bunting in Little League?
>
>Yes. And as career advice goes, that's apparently not as important as we
>were led to believe. <shrug>
>
>-- And I know I could still play left field, I just know it.
>Scott
>
They knew how to bunt 30 years ago...they just don't teach it any
more. Just like pitchers...at one time EVERY pitcher threw 200+
innings a year and it was no big deal. Now they baby the pitchers from
day one" they hit off batting T's in Little League, outlaw curve balls
and limit their innings even in the minor leagues and you have
pitchers who can only go 6 innings a night. With all the sports
medicine advances and better diet they should be throwing at least 250
innings but they can't. It makes no sense other than the average
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:50 am
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who'sthat wrote:
> They knew how to bunt 30 years ago...they just don't teach it any
> more. Just like pitchers...at one time EVERY pitcher threw 200+
> innings a year and it was no big deal. Now they baby the pitchers from
> day one" they hit off batting T's in Little League, outlaw curve balls
> and limit their innings even in the minor leagues and you have
> pitchers who can only go 6 innings a night. With all the sports
> medicine advances and better diet they should be throwing at least 250
> innings but they can't. It makes no sense other than the average
> American just isn't as tough as he used to be.
I think that says more about the evolution of the strategy of bringing
fresh arms out of the bullpen, than it is any inability of starters to
be able to pitch more innings.
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>who'sthat wrote:
>> They knew how to bunt 30 years ago...they just don't teach it any
>> more. Just like pitchers...at one time EVERY pitcher threw 200+
>> innings a year and it was no big deal. Now they baby the pitchers from
>> day one" they hit off batting T's in Little League, outlaw curve balls
>> and limit their innings even in the minor leagues and you have
>> pitchers who can only go 6 innings a night. With all the sports
>> medicine advances and better diet they should be throwing at least 250
>> innings but they can't. It makes no sense other than the average
>> American just isn't as tough as he used to be.
>
>I think that says more about the evolution of the strategy of bringing
>fresh arms out of the bullpen, than it is any inability of starters to
>be able to pitch more innings.
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Lookout wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:50:07 -0700, Tarkus
> <karnevil9 DeleteThis @atlantabraves.net> wrote:
>
>> who'sthat wrote:
>>> They knew how to bunt 30 years ago...they just don't teach it any
>>> more. Just like pitchers...at one time EVERY pitcher threw 200+
>>> innings a year and it was no big deal. Now they baby the pitchers from
>>> day one" they hit off batting T's in Little League, outlaw curve balls
>>> and limit their innings even in the minor leagues and you have
>>> pitchers who can only go 6 innings a night. With all the sports
>>> medicine advances and better diet they should be throwing at least 250
>>> innings but they can't. It makes no sense other than the average
>>> American just isn't as tough as he used to be.
>> I think that says more about the evolution of the strategy of bringing
>> fresh arms out of the bullpen, than it is any inability of starters to
>> be able to pitch more innings.
>
> Then how does the rash of arm problems fit in to your theory?
There are many more pitchers now than ever before, and thus, more
pitchers to become injured. And many of those are relievers, who
clearly aren't pitching anywhere near 100 innings, let alone 200.
It's also likely that both players and teams are more careful with
injuries these days, contributing to longer careers (along with the
medical advances you mentioned). There is a lot more money at stake for
both sides.
Also, it's likely that starters paced themselves more in the old days,
because they knew they were going to be pitching deeper into games. Now
a guy like John Smoltz, for example, can let it all hang out every
inning, because he knows he's not expected to necessarily pitch deep
into the game. That not only decreases his innings pitched, but could
also be a contributer to his arm troubles.
I've no doubt that pitchers could go longer these days, if that was the
desired strategy. The result would be higher scoring games (at least on
the side playing teams employing that strategy) and shorter careers.
In short, we both agree that pitchers are handled more carefully these
days. Where we differ is in their "ability" to go longer, if so desired.
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In article <6299145onokajpgqjlame3pu6m20iq5t9p.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
mrLookout.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com says...
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:50:07 -0700, Tarkus
> <karnevil9.TakeThisOut@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
>
> >who'sthat wrote:
> >> They knew how to bunt 30 years ago...they just don't teach it any
> >> more. Just like pitchers...at one time EVERY pitcher threw 200+
> >> innings a year and it was no big deal. Now they baby the pitchers from
> >> day one" they hit off batting T's in Little League, outlaw curve balls
> >> and limit their innings even in the minor leagues and you have
> >> pitchers who can only go 6 innings a night. With all the sports
> >> medicine advances and better diet they should be throwing at least 250
> >> innings but they can't. It makes no sense other than the average
> >> American just isn't as tough as he used to be.
> >
> >I think that says more about the evolution of the strategy of bringing
> >fresh arms out of the bullpen, than it is any inability of starters to
> >be able to pitch more innings.
More importantly is the change of philosophy, with the pitchers
giving 100% on every pitch instead of throwing "get-over" stuff until
you got into a jam.
> Then how does the rash of arm problems fit in to your theory?
Medicine has advanced to a point where career-ending injuries are now
three-month or one-year injuries.
As for the minor annoyances like muscle pulls and the like, I'd have
to see data that proves there are more short DL trips now than there
were then.
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Dale Hicks wrote:
> In article <6299145onokajpgqjlame3pu6m20iq5t9p.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
> mrLookout.DeleteThis@yahoo.com says...
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:50:07 -0700, Tarkus
>> <karnevil9.DeleteThis@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
>>
>>> who'sthat wrote:
>>>> They knew how to bunt 30 years ago...they just don't teach it any
>>>> more. Just like pitchers...at one time EVERY pitcher threw 200+
>>>> innings a year and it was no big deal. Now they baby the pitchers from
>>>> day one" they hit off batting T's in Little League, outlaw curve balls
>>>> and limit their innings even in the minor leagues and you have
>>>> pitchers who can only go 6 innings a night. With all the sports
>>>> medicine advances and better diet they should be throwing at least 250
>>>> innings but they can't. It makes no sense other than the average
>>>> American just isn't as tough as he used to be.
>>> I think that says more about the evolution of the strategy of bringing
>>> fresh arms out of the bullpen, than it is any inability of starters to
>>> be able to pitch more innings.
>
> More importantly is the change of philosophy, with the pitchers
> giving 100% on every pitch instead of throwing "get-over" stuff until
> you got into a jam.
Of course, those two philosophies are tied directly together.
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Lookout wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:50:07 -0700, Tarkus
>> <karnevil9.DeleteThis@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
>>
>>> who'sthat wrote:
>>>> They knew how to bunt 30 years ago...they just don't teach it any
>>>> more. Just like pitchers...at one time EVERY pitcher threw 200+
>>>> innings a year and it was no big deal. Now they baby the pitchers
>>>> from day one" they hit off batting T's in Little League, outlaw
>>>> curve balls and limit their innings even in the minor leagues and
>>>> you have pitchers who can only go 6 innings a night. With all the
>>>> sports medicine advances and better diet they should be throwing
>>>> at least 250 innings but they can't. It makes no sense other than
>>>> the average American just isn't as tough as he used to be.
>>>
>>> I think that says more about the evolution of the strategy of
>>> bringing fresh arms out of the bullpen, than it is any inability of
>>> starters to be able to pitch more innings.
>>
>> Then how does the rash of arm problems fit in to your theory?
I don't think the rash was on Terry's arm .. Oh wait, I see what you mean
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:39:25 -0700, Tarkus
<karnevil9.TakeThisOut@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
>Lookout wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:50:07 -0700, Tarkus
>> <karnevil9.TakeThisOut@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
>>
>>> who'sthat wrote:
>>>> They knew how to bunt 30 years ago...they just don't teach it any
>>>> more. Just like pitchers...at one time EVERY pitcher threw 200+
>>>> innings a year and it was no big deal. Now they baby the pitchers from
>>>> day one" they hit off batting T's in Little League, outlaw curve balls
>>>> and limit their innings even in the minor leagues and you have
>>>> pitchers who can only go 6 innings a night. With all the sports
>>>> medicine advances and better diet they should be throwing at least 250
>>>> innings but they can't. It makes no sense other than the average
>>>> American just isn't as tough as he used to be.
>>> I think that says more about the evolution of the strategy of bringing
>>> fresh arms out of the bullpen, than it is any inability of starters to
>>> be able to pitch more innings.
>>
>> Then how does the rash of arm problems fit in to your theory?
>
>There are many more pitchers now than ever before, and thus, more
>pitchers to become injured. And many of those are relievers, who
>clearly aren't pitching anywhere near 100 innings, let alone 200.
>
>It's also likely that both players and teams are more careful with
>injuries these days, contributing to longer careers (along with the
>medical advances you mentioned). There is a lot more money at stake for
>both sides.
>
>Also, it's likely that starters paced themselves more in the old days,
>because they knew they were going to be pitching deeper into games. Now
>a guy like John Smoltz, for example, can let it all hang out every
>inning, because he knows he's not expected to necessarily pitch deep
>into the game. That not only decreases his innings pitched, but could
>also be a contributer to his arm troubles.
>
>I've no doubt that pitchers could go longer these days, if that was the
>desired strategy. The result would be higher scoring games (at least on
>the side playing teams employing that strategy) and shorter careers.
>
>In short, we both agree that pitchers are handled more carefully these
>days. Where we differ is in their "ability" to go longer, if so desired.
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who'sthat wrote:
> No, we disagree. I think the arms are babied when young and break down
> more when they get older.
The reason for things like the no-breaking ball rule is because so many
young (high school or less) arms have been ruined, before they had a
chance to develop.
Arms are babied early, but the theory is to build up arm strength over
time, and not rush it. Seems reasonable to me.
One could argue that the Cubs didn't baby Wood and Pryor enough, because
they overworked them before their arms had properly developed.
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