Ervin Santana= trade bait?

On Jun 26, 8:52 pm, AzusaGuy....DeleteThis@webtv.net (Richard M.) wrote:
> I think it's time to dangle him in front of some GMs and see if there's
> any takers. Halos can get some prospects in return and at the same time
> promote Saunders to the number 5 starter. If Santana is consistent at
> anything, it's his inconsistency.

Colon would be more expendable than Santana, I would think.
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Plus Colon is gone at the end of this season.

The thing about Santana is that he is still only 24 years old. One might
conclude that he still has room to mature and get his emotions in check.
His upside is HUGE, we're talking Pedro Martinez huge. THAT is why so many
clubs want him and why his name comes up in trade talks so often.

Personally, his attitude bugs me to the point that I wouldn't mind seeing
him traded. However, trading him could be a mistake that would haunt
Stoneman for a long, long time. However, if the rumors that Stoneman is
calling it quits after this season are true, he wouldn't be haunted all that
long.

If you are gonna trade him, better get something good in return.
Santana/Wood/Mathis for A-Rod? Works for me, but I don't think that Cashman
could/would do that, especially with the 'walk year' numbers A-Rod is
putting up.

"Don Tootin'" <capngroovy.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 26, 8:52 pm, AzusaGuy....DeleteThis@webtv.net (Richard M.) wrote:
>> I think it's time to dangle him in front of some GMs and see if there's
>> any takers. Halos can get some prospects in return and at the same time
>> promote Saunders to the number 5 starter. If Santana is consistent at
>> anything, it's his inconsistency.
>
> Colon would be more expendable than Santana, I would think.
>
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On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, "Kevin Kennedy" <halo....TakeThisOut@kpia.MAILSPOIL.com>
wrote:
> Plus Colon is gone at the end of this season.
>
> The thing about Santana is that he is still only 24 years old. One might
> conclude that he still has room to mature and get his emotions in check.
> His upside is HUGE, we're talking Pedro Martinez huge. THAT is why so many
> clubs want him and why his name comes up in trade talks so often.
>
> Personally, his attitude bugs me to the point that I wouldn't mind seeing
> him traded. However, trading him could be a mistake that would haunt
> Stoneman for a long, long time. However, if the rumors that Stoneman is
> calling it quits after this season are true, he wouldn't be haunted all that
> long.
>
> If you are gonna trade him, better get something good in return.
> Santana/Wood/Mathis for A-Rod? Works for me, but I don't think that Cashman
> could/would do that, especially with the 'walk year' numbers A-Rod is
> putting up.

Would you really be willing to trade away Brandon Wood? I mean, A-rod
is good, but you're losing at least six or seven more seasons in
picking up A-rod. Plus the contract, that's cumbersome.

As for Santana's attitude, how bad is it really? Really, I haven't
been following too closely. Jeff Weaver's attitude far outpunched his
up-side as did Jose Guillen's. Is Santana's equally erosive?

At any rate, I've been eating a steady diet of crow regarding the
Angels and their "stay put" attitude. The Dodgers made a few moves
during the off-season, none have helped, while the Angels should win
the World Series this year. No, not hyperbole--I thought the offense
was going to be Anaheim's biggest detriment this year, but they've
proven me wrong. In a "short" series you have the arms to take
whatever Boston, New York, or Cleveland throw your way. As for the
NL, if the Dodgers, Flea Bags, Padres, or Mets are the best in the NL,
the trophy is Anaheim's.

As for next year, pursue whoever you must with the money Colon frees
up. I hate to say it, but Stoneman's strategy so far has worked.
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"Don Tootin'" <capngroovy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, "Kevin Kennedy" <halo....TakeThisOut@kpia.MAILSPOIL.com>
> wrote:
>> Plus Colon is gone at the end of this season.
>>
>> The thing about Santana is that he is still only 24 years old. One might
>> conclude that he still has room to mature and get his emotions in check.
>> His upside is HUGE, we're talking Pedro Martinez huge. THAT is why so
>> many
>> clubs want him and why his name comes up in trade talks so often.
>>
>> Personally, his attitude bugs me to the point that I wouldn't mind seeing
>> him traded. However, trading him could be a mistake that would haunt
>> Stoneman for a long, long time. However, if the rumors that Stoneman is
>> calling it quits after this season are true, he wouldn't be haunted all
>> that
>> long.
>>
>> If you are gonna trade him, better get something good in return.
>> Santana/Wood/Mathis for A-Rod? Works for me, but I don't think that
>> Cashman
>> could/would do that, especially with the 'walk year' numbers A-Rod is
>> putting up.
>
> Would you really be willing to trade away Brandon Wood? I mean, A-rod
> is good, but you're losing at least six or seven more seasons in
> picking up A-rod. Plus the contract, that's cumbersome.
>
> As for Santana's attitude, how bad is it really? Really, I haven't
> been following too closely. Jeff Weaver's attitude far outpunched his
> up-side as did Jose Guillen's. Is Santana's equally erosive?
>
> At any rate, I've been eating a steady diet of crow regarding the
> Angels and their "stay put" attitude. The Dodgers made a few moves
> during the off-season, none have helped, while the Angels should win
> the World Series this year. No, not hyperbole--I thought the offense
> was going to be Anaheim's biggest detriment this year, but they've
> proven me wrong. In a "short" series you have the arms to take
> whatever Boston, New York, or Cleveland throw your way. As for the
> NL, if the Dodgers, Flea Bags, Padres, or Mets are the best in the NL,
> the trophy is Anaheim's.
>
> As for next year, pursue whoever you must with the money Colon frees
> up. I hate to say it, but Stoneman's strategy so far has worked.
>

I actually agree...Can ya'll believe it!?!?

C'mon Halo's....let's get back on track! WOO HOO GO ANGELS!

Nathan
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On Jun 29, 10:06 am, "Nathan Miller" <nate.mill... RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
> "Don Tootin'" <capngro... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, "Kevin Kennedy" <halo... RemoveThis @kpia.MAILSPOIL.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Plus Colon is gone at the end of this season.
>
> >> The thing about Santana is that he is still only 24 years old. One might
> >> conclude that he still has room to mature and get his emotions in check.
> >> His upside is HUGE, we're talking Pedro Martinez huge. THAT is why so
> >> many
> >> clubs want him and why his name comes up in trade talks so often.
>
> >> Personally, his attitude bugs me to the point that I wouldn't mind seeing
> >> him traded. However, trading him could be a mistake that would haunt
> >> Stoneman for a long, long time. However, if the rumors that Stoneman is
> >> calling it quits after this season are true, he wouldn't be haunted all
> >> that
> >> long.
>
> >> If you are gonna trade him, better get something good in return.
> >> Santana/Wood/Mathis for A-Rod? Works for me, but I don't think that
> >> Cashman
> >> could/would do that, especially with the 'walk year' numbers A-Rod is
> >> putting up.
>
> > Would you really be willing to trade away Brandon Wood? I mean, A-rod
> > is good, but you're losing at least six or seven more seasons in
> > picking up A-rod. Plus the contract, that's cumbersome.
>
> > As for Santana's attitude, how bad is it really? Really, I haven't
> > been following too closely. Jeff Weaver's attitude far outpunched his
> > up-side as did Jose Guillen's. Is Santana's equally erosive?
>
> > At any rate, I've been eating a steady diet of crow regarding the
> > Angels and their "stay put" attitude. The Dodgers made a few moves
> > during the off-season, none have helped, while the Angels should win
> > the World Series this year. No, not hyperbole--I thought the offense
> > was going to be Anaheim's biggest detriment this year, but they've
> > proven me wrong. In a "short" series you have the arms to take
> > whatever Boston, New York, or Cleveland throw your way. As for the
> > NL, if the Dodgers, Flea Bags, Padres, or Mets are the best in the NL,
> > the trophy is Anaheim's.
>
> > As for next year, pursue whoever you must with the money Colon frees
> > up. I hate to say it, but Stoneman's strategy so far has worked.
>
> I actually agree...Can ya'll believe it!?!?
>
> C'mon Halo's....let's get back on track! WOO HOO GO ANGELS!
>
> Nathan- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Wait, we agree? Please remain seated with hands and feet inside the
car until the world has come to a full and complete stop.
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"Don Tootin'" <capngroovy RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, "Kevin Kennedy" <halo... RemoveThis @kpia.MAILSPOIL.com>
> wrote:
>> Plus Colon is gone at the end of this season.
>>
>> The thing about Santana is that he is still only 24 years old. One might
>> conclude that he still has room to mature and get his emotions in check.
>> His upside is HUGE, we're talking Pedro Martinez huge. THAT is why so
>> many
>> clubs want him and why his name comes up in trade talks so often.
>>
>> Personally, his attitude bugs me to the point that I wouldn't mind seeing
>> him traded. However, trading him could be a mistake that would haunt
>> Stoneman for a long, long time. However, if the rumors that Stoneman is
>> calling it quits after this season are true, he wouldn't be haunted all
>> that
>> long.
>>
>> If you are gonna trade him, better get something good in return.
>> Santana/Wood/Mathis for A-Rod? Works for me, but I don't think that
>> Cashman
>> could/would do that, especially with the 'walk year' numbers A-Rod is
>> putting up.
>
> Would you really be willing to trade away Brandon Wood? I mean, A-rod
> is good, but you're losing at least six or seven more seasons in
> picking up A-rod. Plus the contract, that's cumbersome.
>
> As for Santana's attitude, how bad is it really? Really, I haven't
> been following too closely. Jeff Weaver's attitude far outpunched his
> up-side as did Jose Guillen's. Is Santana's equally erosive?
>
> At any rate, I've been eating a steady diet of crow regarding the
> Angels and their "stay put" attitude. The Dodgers made a few moves
> during the off-season, none have helped, while the Angels should win
> the World Series this year. No, not hyperbole--I thought the offense
> was going to be Anaheim's biggest detriment this year, but they've
> proven me wrong. In a "short" series you have the arms to take
> whatever Boston, New York, or Cleveland throw your way. As for the
> NL, if the Dodgers, Flea Bags, Padres, or Mets are the best in the NL,
> the trophy is Anaheim's.
>
> As for next year, pursue whoever you must with the money Colon frees
> up. I hate to say it, but Stoneman's strategy so far has worked.
>

Wood, yeah if the price was right. With A-Rod, you know you are gonna get a
1st ballot HOFer in his prime. Wood is very highly thought of but I am
beginning to think he may be a bit over-valued. He has not set AAA afire
this year and he has a tendency to stike out alot. If minor league pitchers
have found that big of a hole in his swing, you now the guys in the show
will and then some. Of course, he is only 22 so there is hope yet. Santana
is young also with huge upside so people will think that you are giving up a
lot and you are. Remember though, we are talking about getting one of the
all time greats in his prime. That's gonna be expensive.

Then again, wait a few months and sign him when he opts out, then he only
costs you $$$. Oh, I forgot to mention, any trade would require a new deal
or at the very least a waiver of his opt-out clause.

How bad do you think Texas if rooting for A-Rod to opt out?

Santana's attitude, I don't think it is horrible now, but it is pretty bad.
He really let's things get to him on the mound and really, really shows that
weakness in his body language when things aren't going his way. Major
league hitters are professionals, they see that weakness and feed off of it,
I suspect. He could learn a thing or two from John Lackey who used to have
the same problem but then learned to stay calm and trust his stuff. Santana
has great stuff, live fastball, near K-Rod quality slider and a terrific
change. His head is his biggest problem right now. It took Lackey till he
was was 26 or 27 to straighten his head out. To be clear though, I don't
think he is disruptive to the team. Then again, if he starts to have the
level of success that he is projected to, who knows what he will be like.

Stoneman hasn't truly been in stand-pat mode, that's just the way things
worked out. Above all he is determined not to get into these trades where a
lot of the future is sacrificed for a little of the present. Many, many
deadline deals are simply for rent-a-players in which teams shift into
rebuilding mode by getting rid of players whose contracts are set to expire
in exchange for some prospects to rebuild around. That is just the kind of
deal that he eschews and his patience is being rewarded as those top
prospects are starting to pay dividends. It's not a perfect formula, to be
sure but it does lead a club down the path of being a perennial contender.
The Angels' brass announced their plan to compete every year and they have
delivered. Not only are we one of the strongest teams in the majors now,
but by all accounts we should have several years still to come in which we
compete for post-season berths. Also, when you have decent payroll, free
agent signings are truly the way to go as it allows you to have your cake
and it eat it too.
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"Kevin Kennedy" <halofan.DeleteThis@kpia.MAILSPOIL.com> wrote in message
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> Plus Colon is gone at the end of this season.
>
> The thing about Santana is that he is still only 24 years old. One might
> conclude that he still has room to mature and get his emotions in check.
> His upside is HUGE, we're talking Pedro Martinez huge.

No "we" aren't, unless we are crazy as a loon.


THAT is why so many
> clubs want him and why his name comes up in trade talks so often.
>
> Personally, his attitude bugs me to the point that I wouldn't mind seeing
> him traded. However, trading him could be a mistake that would haunt
> Stoneman for a long, long time. However, if the rumors that Stoneman is
> calling it quits after this season are true, he wouldn't be haunted all
that
> long.
>
> If you are gonna trade him, better get something good in return.
> Santana/Wood/Mathis for A-Rod? Works for me, but I don't think that
Cashman
> could/would do that, especially with the 'walk year' numbers A-Rod is
> putting up.
>
> "Don Tootin'" <capngroovy.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1182982446.047341.60780@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 26, 8:52 pm, AzusaGuy....DeleteThis@webtv.net (Richard M.) wrote:
> >> I think it's time to dangle him in front of some GMs and see if there's
> >> any takers. Halos can get some prospects in return and at the same time
> >> promote Saunders to the number 5 starter. If Santana is consistent at
> >> anything, it's his inconsistency.
> >
> > Colon would be more expendable than Santana, I would think.
> >
>
>
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Kevin Kennedy wrote:
> The thing about Santana is that he is still only 24 years old. One might
> conclude that he still has room to mature and get his emotions in check.
> His upside is HUGE, we're talking Pedro Martinez huge. THAT is why so many
> clubs want him and why his name comes up in trade talks so often.


Santana's upside may be huge, but unfortunately he's another Ramon
Ortiz. They're both a box of chocolates, you never know what you're
gonna get when he goes to the mound. I'd be fine letting someone else
try to get his head on straight.

Minnesota thought they had Ortiz figured out and he started a very
strong 3-0, he's now in the bullpen.

BZB

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>
> Santana's attitude, I don't think it is horrible now, but it is pretty bad.
> He really let's things get to him on the mound and really, really shows that
> weakness in his body language when things aren't going his way. Major
> league hitters are professionals, they see that weakness and feed off of it,
> I suspect. He could learn a thing or two from John Lackey who used to have
> the same problem but then learned to stay calm and trust his stuff.

Sounds like Santana spent more time with Jeff Weaver than with Big
Tex.

> Santana
> has great stuff, live fastball, near K-Rod quality slider and a terrific
> change. His head is his biggest problem right now. It took Lackey till he
> was was 26 or 27 to straighten his head out. To be clear though, I don't
> think he is disruptive to the team. Then again, if he starts to have the
> level of success that he is projected to, who knows what he will be like.

Gotcha. Thanks...it just didn't look right, a first place team
dangling a young star and one in the making, even if it IS for A Rod.
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"Bill" <billzbubb.DeleteThis@netscape.fishing.net> wrote in message
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> Kevin Kennedy wrote:
> > The thing about Santana is that he is still only 24 years old. One
might
> > conclude that he still has room to mature and get his emotions in check.
> > His upside is HUGE, we're talking Pedro Martinez huge. THAT is why so
many
> > clubs want him and why his name comes up in trade talks so often.
>
>
> Santana's upside may be huge, but unfortunately he's another Ramon
> Ortiz. They're both a box of chocolates, you never know what you're
> gonna get when he goes to the mound. I'd be fine letting someone else
> try to get his head on straight.
>
> Minnesota thought they had Ortiz figured out and he started a very
> strong 3-0, he's now in the bullpen.

Santana is more than 10,000 times more likely to be another Ramon Ortiz than
another Pedro. Incidentally, I was at the Big A when Ortiz pitched a 3
hitter (IIRC) to beat Pedro and the Red Sox 2-1 several years ago. He looked
like a star pitcher based on that game, but one game isn't enough. He has
now established himself as a journryman back of the rotation/long reliever
who will hang around in the majors as lomg as any team is willing to take a
chance on him.
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