Dombrowski tries to explain Tigers poor start

"I don't wanna hear any weak s**t from Jason Grilli,"
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Fits right in with Leyland's "horseshit" rant. The one guy you call out by
name is, in fact, 5 for 5 in save situations, and, in fact, got the last two
outs in the Tuesday night game, without allowing a base runner.

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"Jack Johnson" <jdjj2.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote in message
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> They beat the Mariners tonight. I was working for most of the game, and
> had to listen, on the radio. But, it almost sounded like Seattle made
> a comeback late? The final score was 12-8. When I was listening
> earlier, the Tigers had a 7 run lead. That is another part of the
> puzzle, the "bull pen". I'm not a Todd Jones fan. He's all, or,
> nothing. And, that sums up the Tigers......All, or, Nothing.
>
> I heard Leyland had some words with the team, before the game. They
> played better. But, if they aren't motivated, to play, without being
> yelled at constantly.....what does that say? Hopefully, they'll get
> something started, and play more consistently.
>
> Jack.
>
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In article <10302-4833B6D0-15 DeleteThis @baytvnwsxa002.msntv.msn.com>, Jack Johnson says...
>
>They beat the Mariners tonight. I was working for most of the game, and
>had to listen, on the radio. But, it almost sounded like Seattle made
>a comeback late? The final score was 12-8. When I was listening
>earlier, the Tigers had a 7 run lead. That is another part of the
>puzzle, the "bull pen". I'm not a Todd Jones fan. He's all, or,
>nothing. And, that sums up the Tigers......All, or, Nothing.

Almost every time I watch them you can see indications of a lack
of focus on plays. (Raburns dropped foul fly, 3 errors yesterday etc.)
Since the start of the season you can see them just going through
the motions. Without Renteria, the game would have been lost 8-7.
A team with this many veterans shouldn't be making this many errors.

>I heard Leyland had some words with the team, before the game. They
>played better. But, if they aren't motivated, to play, without being
>yelled at constantly.....what does that say? Hopefully, they'll get
>something started, and play more consistently.
>
>Jack.
>
He called out Guillen, but without using his name and also said "If
they want to play games, I'll play games, and it won't be long before
I'll put names to it, if they want me to. I'm not quite to that point
yet. They want to play games, I'll play games. I'll quit protecting
some of these guys night after night after night. And I'll put some
names to it." Good, It's about time we have a little accountability.

Runs Per Season:
31' Yankees (1,067)
99' Indians (1,009)
2008 Tigers (204)

Dave
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 02:45:57 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
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>"I don't wanna hear any weak s**t from Jason Grilli,"

LOL

It was hilarious to see Leyland get so worked up over Grilli's
comments.

Personally, I think Grilli's comment about the Tigers being "stale
and stagnant" are right on target.




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On Wed, 21 May 2008 02:57:30 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
<billkawalec.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Fits right in with Leyland's "horseshit" rant. The one guy you call out by
>name is, in fact, 5 for 5 in save situations, and, in fact, got the last two
>outs in the Tuesday night game, without allowing a base runner.
>
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>
>

Exactly. Verlander pitched 6 strong innings for a change giving up
only 1 run. It was the bullpen in the form of Rapada and Lopez who
gave up 7 runs, 6 of them earned.

Tiger bats exploded after a closed clubhouse meeting. Let's hope it
continues.


>"Jack Johnson" <jdjj2.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote in message
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>> They beat the Mariners tonight. I was working for most of the game, and
>> had to listen, on the radio. But, it almost sounded like Seattle made
>> a comeback late? The final score was 12-8. When I was listening
>> earlier, the Tigers had a 7 run lead. That is another part of the
>> puzzle, the "bull pen". I'm not a Todd Jones fan. He's all, or,
>> nothing. And, that sums up the Tigers......All, or, Nothing.
>>
>> I heard Leyland had some words with the team, before the game. They
>> played better. But, if they aren't motivated, to play, without being
>> yelled at constantly.....what does that say? Hopefully, they'll get
>> something started, and play more consistently.
>>
>> Jack.
>>
>

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On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:34:37 -0400, SkippyPB
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>On Wed, 21 May 2008 02:57:30 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
><billkawalec RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Fits right in with Leyland's "horseshit" rant. The one guy you call out by
>>name is, in fact, 5 for 5 in save situations, and, in fact, got the last two
>>outs in the Tuesday night game, without allowing a base runner.
>>

>Exactly. Verlander pitched 6 strong innings for a change giving up
>only 1 run. It was the bullpen in the form of Rapada and Lopez who
>gave up 7 runs, 6 of them earned.
>
>Tiger bats exploded after a closed clubhouse meeting. Let's hope it
>continues.

Keep in mind that it's just Seattle they are playing, and that Silva
is not a very good pitcher.




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On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:15 -0500, Scott Smith
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>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:58:58 -0400, "Bill Kawalec" <billkawalec.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> I've never thought Cabrera was that great, so it'll be interesting to see
>>> how he does over this season and next.
>>>
>>> He might have looked "great" compared to his Florida teammates and his
>>> National League counterparts, but on the Tigers roster and against better
>>> American League counterparts, he looks fairly average (bordering
>>> on just "good"... maybe), IMO.
>
>>not worth a response
>
>
>Do you think the Tigers are getting a good return on their investment for
>Cabrera so far?
>
>Do you *honestly* think that he is worth $153 million dollars for EIGHT
>years?
>
>
>
>
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Do you think the Yankees got a great return on their investment of 25
million for A-Rod? Hint: stupid question.

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On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:35:34 -0400, SkippyPB
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>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:15 -0500, Scott Smith
><scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:58:58 -0400, "Bill Kawalec" <billkawalec.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I've never thought Cabrera was that great, so it'll be interesting to see
>>>> how he does over this season and next.
>>>>
>>>> He might have looked "great" compared to his Florida teammates and his
>>>> National League counterparts, but on the Tigers roster and against better
>>>> American League counterparts, he looks fairly average (bordering
>>>> on just "good"... maybe), IMO.
>>
>>>not worth a response
>>
>>
>>Do you think the Tigers are getting a good return on their investment for
>>Cabrera so far?
>>
>>Do you *honestly* think that he is worth $153 million dollars for EIGHT
>>years?


>Do you think the Yankees got a great return on their investment of 25
>million for A-Rod? Hint: stupid question.

Is it a stupid question?

Remember, the Tigers could have spent that money on pitching,
which I think was the Tigers biggest weakness going into the
season. Instead they spent it on an above average power hitter
(and a mediocre fielder) on a team full of the same already.

I think the Tigers got robbed by Cabrera, and that the money
would have been better spent on pitching.




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"S. Smith" <scott.smith.TakeThisOut@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:35:34 -0400, SkippyPB
> <swiegand.TakeThisOut@nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:15 -0500, Scott Smith
>><scott.smith.TakeThisOut@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:58:58 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>>><billkawalec.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I've never thought Cabrera was that great, so it'll be interesting to
>>>>> see
>>>>> how he does over this season and next.
>>>>>
>>>>> He might have looked "great" compared to his Florida teammates and his
>>>>> National League counterparts, but on the Tigers roster and against
>>>>> better
>>>>> American League counterparts, he looks fairly average (bordering
>>>>> on just "good"... maybe), IMO.
>>>
>>>>not worth a response
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you think the Tigers are getting a good return on their investment for
>>>Cabrera so far?
>>>
>>>Do you *honestly* think that he is worth $153 million dollars for EIGHT
>>>years?
>
>
>>Do you think the Yankees got a great return on their investment of 25
>>million for A-Rod? Hint: stupid question.
>
> Is it a stupid question?
>
> Remember, the Tigers could have spent that money on pitching,
> which I think was the Tigers biggest weakness going into the
> season.


ah well, you were wrong. They persued offense, thinking (rightly) that with
'07 pitching and more runs scored, they would win more ballgames. The
offense has fallen far short of expectations, so far.







Instead they spent it on an above average power hitter
> (and a mediocre fielder) on a team full of the same already.
>
> I think the Tigers got robbed by Cabrera, and that the money
> would have been better spent on pitching.
>
>
>
>
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:35:10 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
<billkawalec RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"S. Smith" <scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:35:34 -0400, SkippyPB
>> <swiegand RemoveThis @nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:15 -0500, Scott Smith
>>><scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:58:58 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>>>><billkawalec RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I've never thought Cabrera was that great, so it'll be interesting to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> how he does over this season and next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He might have looked "great" compared to his Florida teammates and his
>>>>>> National League counterparts, but on the Tigers roster and against
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> American League counterparts, he looks fairly average (bordering
>>>>>> on just "good"... maybe), IMO.
>>>>
>>>>>not worth a response
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you think the Tigers are getting a good return on their investment for
>>>>Cabrera so far?
>>>>
>>>>Do you *honestly* think that he is worth $153 million dollars for EIGHT
>>>>years?
>>
>>
>>>Do you think the Yankees got a great return on their investment of 25
>>>million for A-Rod? Hint: stupid question.
>>
>> Is it a stupid question?
>>
>> Remember, the Tigers could have spent that money on pitching,
>> which I think was the Tigers biggest weakness going into the
>> season.
>
>
>ah well, you were wrong. They persued offense, thinking (rightly) that with
>'07 pitching and more runs scored, they would win more ballgames. The
>offense has fallen far short of expectations, so far.


I don't think I was wrong, I think the Tigers front office was wrong.

LOL





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"S. Smith" <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:35:10 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
>>news:cug8345gjkprlt4pf7gd11ov73b9qnllja@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:35:34 -0400, SkippyPB
>>> <swiegand.DeleteThis@nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:15 -0500, Scott Smith
>>>><scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:58:58 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>>>>><billkawalec.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never thought Cabrera was that great, so it'll be interesting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> how he does over this season and next.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He might have looked "great" compared to his Florida teammates and
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> National League counterparts, but on the Tigers roster and against
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> American League counterparts, he looks fairly average (bordering
>>>>>>> on just "good"... maybe), IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>>>not worth a response
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you think the Tigers are getting a good return on their investment
>>>>>for
>>>>>Cabrera so far?
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you *honestly* think that he is worth $153 million dollars for EIGHT
>>>>>years?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do you think the Yankees got a great return on their investment of 25
>>>>million for A-Rod? Hint: stupid question.
>>>
>>> Is it a stupid question?
>>>
>>> Remember, the Tigers could have spent that money on pitching,
>>> which I think was the Tigers biggest weakness going into the
>>> season.
>>
>>
>>ah well, you were wrong. They persued offense, thinking (rightly) that
>>with
>>'07 pitching and more runs scored, they would win more ballgames. The
>>offense has fallen far short of expectations, so far.
>
>
> I don't think I was wrong, I think the Tigers front office was wrong.
>



The
offense has fallen far short of expectations, so far.
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 14:21:01 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
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>"S. Smith" <scott.smith DeleteThis @iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:35:10 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>> <billkawalec DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith DeleteThis @iphouse.com> wrote in message
>>>news:cug8345gjkprlt4pf7gd11ov73b9qnllja@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:35:34 -0400, SkippyPB
>>>> <swiegand DeleteThis @nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:15 -0500, Scott Smith
>>>>><scott.smith DeleteThis @iphouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:58:58 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>>>>>><billkawalec DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've never thought Cabrera was that great, so it'll be interesting
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> how he does over this season and next.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He might have looked "great" compared to his Florida teammates and
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> National League counterparts, but on the Tigers roster and against
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> American League counterparts, he looks fairly average (bordering
>>>>>>>> on just "good"... maybe), IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>not worth a response
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you think the Tigers are getting a good return on their investment
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>Cabrera so far?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you *honestly* think that he is worth $153 million dollars for EIGHT
>>>>>>years?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you think the Yankees got a great return on their investment of 25
>>>>>million for A-Rod? Hint: stupid question.
>>>>
>>>> Is it a stupid question?
>>>>
>>>> Remember, the Tigers could have spent that money on pitching,
>>>> which I think was the Tigers biggest weakness going into the
>>>> season.
>>>
>>>
>>>ah well, you were wrong. They persued offense, thinking (rightly) that
>>>with
>>>'07 pitching and more runs scored, they would win more ballgames. The
>>>offense has fallen far short of expectations, so far.
>>
>>
>> I don't think I was wrong, I think the Tigers front office was wrong.
>>
>
>
>
>The offense has fallen far short of expectations, so far.

True.

And the pitching is the WORST in baseball this season.

Not a good combination.





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> On Wed, 21 May 2008 14:21:01 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:35:10 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>>> <billkawalec RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:35:34 -0400, SkippyPB
>>>>> <swiegand RemoveThis @nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:15 -0500, Scott Smith
>>>>>><scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:58:58 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
>>>>>>><billkawalec RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never thought Cabrera was that great, so it'll be interesting
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> how he does over this season and next.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He might have looked "great" compared to his Florida teammates and
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> National League counterparts, but on the Tigers roster and against
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> American League counterparts, he looks fairly average (bordering
>>>>>>>>> on just "good"... maybe), IMO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>not worth a response
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you think the Tigers are getting a good return on their investment
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>Cabrera so far?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you *honestly* think that he is worth $153 million dollars for
>>>>>>>EIGHT
>>>>>>>years?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you think the Yankees got a great return on their investment of 25
>>>>>>million for A-Rod? Hint: stupid question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a stupid question?
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember, the Tigers could have spent that money on pitching,
>>>>> which I think was the Tigers biggest weakness going into the
>>>>> season.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ah well, you were wrong. They persued offense, thinking (rightly) that
>>>>with
>>>>'07 pitching and more runs scored, they would win more ballgames. The
>>>>offense has fallen far short of expectations, so far.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think I was wrong, I think the Tigers front office was wrong.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>The offense has fallen far short of expectations, so far.
>
> True.
>
> And the pitching is the WORST in baseball this season.




still, they could currently be a .500 team if the offense had performed.
SEVEN SHUTOUTS!




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