Done Deal! O's get Wright fron Yanks

Dan Szymborski wrote:


>
> So now, the Orioles get to be a 4th place team in 2007 with
> Wright and Benson while the Yankees and Mets enjoy Britton and
> Maine for a long time.

As a Yankee fan I'm glad to see him go. I see the Yankees saving the 3
Mil the O's will be paying Wright. This guy is an albatross. In 11
seasons he's pitched in 25 games or more only 5 times.
Lifetime ERA over 5.00 and WHIP over 1.50. Walks 4 plus per nine
innings and his K/BB rate isn't even 2.
Now I hear the O's pitching coach the Great Mazzone got something out
of him at Atlanta. Good luck and good riddance. He's usually up to 100
pitches by the 5th and it's torture to watch him.
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Lovely...

danfergis wrote:
> Dan Szymborski wrote:
>
>
> >
> > So now, the Orioles get to be a 4th place team in 2007 with
> > Wright and Benson while the Yankees and Mets enjoy Britton and
> > Maine for a long time.
>
> As a Yankee fan I'm glad to see him go. I see the Yankees saving the 3
> Mil the O's will be paying Wright. This guy is an albatross. In 11
> seasons he's pitched in 25 games or more only 5 times.
> Lifetime ERA over 5.00 and WHIP over 1.50. Walks 4 plus per nine
> innings and his K/BB rate isn't even 2.
> Now I hear the O's pitching coach the Great Mazzone got something out
> of him at Atlanta. Good luck and good riddance. He's usually up to 100
> pitches by the 5th and it's torture to watch him.
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horric29 wrote:

> > > So now, the Orioles get to be a 4th place team in 2007 with
> > > Wright and Benson while the Yankees and Mets enjoy Britton and
> > > Maine for a long time.
> >
> > As a Yankee fan I'm glad to see him go. I see the Yankees saving the 3
> > Mil the O's will be paying Wright. This guy is an albatross. In 11
> > seasons he's pitched in 25 games or more only 5 times.
> > Lifetime ERA over 5.00 and WHIP over 1.50. Walks 4 plus per nine
> > innings and his K/BB rate isn't even 2.
> > Now I hear the O's pitching coach the Great Mazzone got something out
> > of him at Atlanta. Good luck and good riddance. He's usually up to 100
> > pitches by the 5th and it's torture to watch him.

> Lovely...

Unless he has a big turnaround with the Magical Mazzone (who didn't
seem to work any miracles with the staff this year) Wright is a number
4 or 5 starter in any rotation. How many fo those can the O's use. I
think with his poor control he'd be useless in Middle relief.
In fact the O's will need planty of middle relief when this guy
pitches.
The Yankees had to stop using him and Chacon on consecutive days in the
rotation.
Neither lasted more then 5 innings as a rule and they would burn up the
pen.
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Mr. PHP wrote:
> Wow! The Orioles just blew the future by trading away a fat AA
> pitcher? John Maine was the better prospect and I really regret that
> one, but to say that the Britton trade dooms the O's really takes a
> leap. At least the O's farm system will not have to pay for his meals
> and that probably accounts for the difference in the millions.

I wouldn't say that, but Britton is no AA pitcher. His numbers as a
reliever are certainly better then Wright's as a starter. A 3.35 ERA
and a 1.13 WHIP along with 8.5K/9 and a 2.25K/BB ratio in 51 innings is
certainly a creditable showing at the ML level. He was likely the 2nd
most reliable pitcher the O's had out of the pen.
As a Yankee fan I'd take Britton in the pen over Wright either starting
or in the pen anyday.
Wright is an unreliable 4th or 5th starter. How many of those does
Baltimore want? Maybe they'd take that circus freak randy Johnson?
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> Wow! The Orioles just blew the future by trading away a fat AA
> pitcher?

The simple fact is that the Orioles traded away a better pitcher for a
worse pitcher.
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On 15 Nov 2006 02:40:07 -0800, "danfergis" <danfergis RemoveThis @netscape.net>
wrote:

>
>Mr. PHP wrote:
>> Wow! The Orioles just blew the future by trading away a fat AA
>> pitcher? John Maine was the better prospect and I really regret that
>> one, but to say that the Britton trade dooms the O's really takes a
>> leap. At least the O's farm system will not have to pay for his meals
>> and that probably accounts for the difference in the millions.
>
>I wouldn't say that, but Britton is no AA pitcher. His numbers as a
>reliever are certainly better then Wright's as a starter. A 3.35 ERA
>and a 1.13 WHIP along with 8.5K/9 and a 2.25K/BB ratio in 51 innings is
>certainly a creditable showing at the ML level. He was likely the 2nd
>most reliable pitcher the O's had out of the pen.
>As a Yankee fan I'd take Britton in the pen over Wright either starting
>or in the pen anyday.
>Wright is an unreliable 4th or 5th starter. How many of those does
>Baltimore want? Maybe they'd take that circus freak randy Johnson?

But you're a Yankee fan...

An unreliable 4th or 5th starter for the Yankee$ is probably a 3
starter for the O's at this point.

Wow! Britton was the 2nd most reliable pitcher out of the O's bullpen.
That is like being the 2nd least-stinky turd in a toilet.

Hey! Britton may turn out to be something. I certainly think that the
Yankee$ have better scouts than the O's (They better for the price
they pay). Britton has potential, but I watched him get his a** kicked
at AA Bowie last year. Sure it was only one game, but he got owned at
AA. I also saw him get smacked around a few times at Delmarva.
Either way, I'm sure that you are more than happy to trade Wright for
anyone NOT named Pavano.
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>>The simple fact is that the Orioles traded away a better pitcher for a
>>worse pitcher.
>
> Wright was 11-7 last season. He had 15 wins in 2004.

So he won 26 games the last two years with a good team. The Orioles are
not as good as the Yankees. Furthemore, his numbers are decreasing, as he
gets older.

> Britton has won... well he doesn't have any wins, but he sure has
> potential!?!?

He's a middle reliever. Middle relievers don't tend to pick up wins,
since their job is to protect a lead for the closers.

> The simple fact is that the O's traded a lard-ass AA prospect to the
> Yankees for a guy who has actually won 15 games at the MLB level.

The simple fact is that the O's traded a young player for an older,
declining player who had a worse ERA and allows more baserunners.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have younger, better pitchers,
regardless of the shape of their butt.
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In <MPG.1fc261285921f6399898b2 RemoveThis @news3.news.adelphia.net>, on 11/13/06
at 11:02 AM, Dan Szymborski <dan RemoveThis @baseballprimer.com> said:


>Yet another stupid, short-sighted Oriole move. They trade 5 years of a
>young reliever who's probably the 2nd-best arm in the bullpen for 1 year
>of a mediocre, injury-prone starter. A team that just needs another
>starter to get over the top can do this - the Orioles are a hopelessly
>4th place team.

They see Britton as a one pitch pitcher and don't expect him to improve.
They may be wrong (they often are) but trading a middle reliever who isn't
domimant for a starter is not a bad idea. Wright is 30 - if Mazzone can
help him, this is a good trade.

Benson didn't pitch badly - if he'd had decent relief, he'd have posted a
few more wins and a couple less losses. Him along with Bedard, DCab,
Loewen, and Wright isn't a bad rotation on paper. Wright may be dealt
again - other teams are interested. We had better not trade DCab, Loewen,
or Tejada (our only real offensive threat.)

>So now, the Orioles get to be a 4th place team in 2007 with Wright and
>Benson while the Yankees and Mets enjoy Britton and Maine for a long time.

No matter who they get to pitch, they'll be a non-contender until they
also improve their offense, which won't happen because they refuse to get
rid of overrated hitting coach and his pinch-hitter "swing at anything
close, early and often" aggressive approach at the plate. We're in a
division with organizations that value working the count, drawing walks,
and building the pitch count of opposing starters (Yankees team OBP was 30
points better than ours this past season, and at one point late in the
season, the Orioles had ONE player with an OBP higher than the Yankees
team OBP), yet we refuse to find a hitting coach who preaches plate
discipline! Crowley's offenses are nearly always league average or worse,
and don't walk much (there's a connection here), but he has a reputation
as a great hitting coach, so, to our detriment, we keep him.

It looks like we won't be able to sign an impact hitter (at those prices,
I'd pass, too.) That doesn't mean our offense can't be improved some by
improving the plate discipline and selectivity of the guys we have (like
not trying to pull outside pitches), as higher team OBP equals more
scoring chances, but that won't happen with Crowley, I'm not happy.

I'm terrified that Crowley will ruin Markakis, a guy with a good eye who
should hit around .300 and post OBPs around .400 if Crowley doesn't turn
him overaggressive. Hopefully, Nick's September swoon came from playing a
longer season than he ever had, and not from Crowley giving advice.

Alan

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In <MPG.1fc7a93c95c6f9b69898bc DeleteThis @news3.news.adelphia.net>, on 11/17/06
at 11:11 AM, Dan Szymborski <dan DeleteThis @baseballprimer.com> said:

>The simple fact is also that Jaret Wright could be Roger Clemens for a
>year and it would be *meaningless*. The Orioles would win 80 instead of
>74 games and have nothing to show for it.

The simple fact is that the goal for this season is 81+ wins. Wright is
more likely to help us achieve that than Britton.



Alan

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> Hmm.. So how come all of the players and coaches keep voting the Cy
> Young Award to the pitchers with the most wins?

Because they don't?

> Isn't it odd how that keeps happening year after year?

It would be odd, if it actually did happen year after year. Here's a
short list, of just the past ten years, of pitchers who won the Cy Young
Award but did not have the most wins:

Chris Carpenter (2005), Roger Clemens (2004), Johan Santana (2004), Eric
Gagne (2003), Randy Johnson (2001), Roger Clemens (2001), Randy Johnson
(2000), Pedro Martinez (2000), Randy Johnson (1999), Pedro Martinez
(1997).
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:30:41 GMT, slidge.RemoveThis@slidge.com wrote:

>> Hmm.. So how come all of the players and coaches keep voting the Cy
>> Young Award to the pitchers with the most wins?
>
>Because they don't?
>
>> Isn't it odd how that keeps happening year after year?
>
>It would be odd, if it actually did happen year after year. Here's a
>short list, of just the past ten years, of pitchers who won the Cy Young
>Award but did not have the most wins:
>
>Chris Carpenter (2005), Roger Clemens (2004), Johan Santana (2004), Eric
>Gagne (2003), Randy Johnson (2001), Roger Clemens (2001), Randy Johnson
>(2000), Pedro Martinez (2000), Randy Johnson (1999), Pedro Martinez
>(1997).


It still happens more than half of the time.
Take a bigger sample.
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Crowley's offenses are nearly always league average or worse,
> and don't walk much (there's a connection here), but he has a reputation
> as a great hitting coach, so, to our detriment, we keep him.

A well undeserved rep at that. Jim Palmer (who knows less about
baseball then any man who played for Weaver) brags about Crowley. He
always talks about Terry's "agressive" approach, moving runners up,
(Making outs to get a guy to second) "attacking" the ball and "putting
the ball in play."
Just listen to Plamer and you'll realize he doesn't value OBP and sees
Batting average with RISP as the end all be all to good baseball.
Unfortunately when you don't have any base runners Batting average with
RISP means very little.
Markakis is likely the best hitter on the squad. I also believe his
late season slump was a product of the season's length.
Don Mattingly the Yankee hitting coach has changed his appraoch to meet
today's standards. Look at Mattingly's numbers and you'll see he was
also agressive and not much of a Bases on Balls guy as a player.
However that has changed since he took the hitting coach job.
I don't know what Earl Weaver thought of Crowley but no one valued the
bases on balls as much as Earl. I read his book on strategy and he was
easily 25 years ahead of his time.
Prior to him only Stengel and McGraw had the same philosophy.
His ideas on handling pitching staffs would work today if anyone would
try them. Strangely enough Stengel practiced the same approach there
also.
Crowley has ben with the O's forever it seems and the offense has not
improved over time.
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In article <1164226689.900643.292590
@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, danfergis.TakeThisOut@netscape.net says...
>
> I don't know what Earl Weaver thought of Crowley but no one valued the
> bases on balls as much as Earl. I read his book on strategy and he was
> easily 25 years ahead of his time.

It's kind of funny that Crowley, a man who only had a long
career in the majors as a role player because he'd take lots of
walks and hit for power with a low BA, would want to tailor
offenses to be exactly the opposite.


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"A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is not
a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."

-Robert Schumann
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