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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:06 am
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Here are the DIPS numbers through the All-Star Break. As always,
they are not park- or league-adjusted, but they are adjusted for lefties
and knuckleballers. Small sample sizes, as always, need to be kept in
mind. For more information on Voros McCracken's Defense-Independent
Pitching Statistics, do a google search.

I'm going to do this in several posts (following up on this one)
to make sure that any sudden lost connections don't force me to start
completely over.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:51 am
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Bob-Nob venit, vidit, et dixit:

> Here are the DIPS numbers through the All-Star Break. As always,
> they are not park- or league-adjusted, but they are adjusted for lefties
> and knuckleballers. Small sample sizes, as always, need to be kept in
> mind. For more information on Voros McCracken's Defense-Independent
> Pitching Statistics, do a google search.

First, the starters...

dERA ERA IP
Schilling 3.62 3.60 127.1
Pauley 4.01 7.88 16.0
Wakefield 4.42 4.05 115.2
Lester 4.52 3.06 32.1
Johnson 4.85 10.13 8.0
Clement 5.37 6.61 65.1
DiNardo 5.39 7.11 25.1
Beckett 5.55 4.75 110.0
Snyder 5.55 5.40 5.0
Wells 8.95 8.64 8.1

Obviously, the Sox have had only three super-healthy pitchers.
Schilling has pitched about as well as expected by DIPS. Wakefield
has been pretty lucky ERA-wise, and Beckett has been very lucky
ERA-wise. Lester has pitched pretty well (though dERA thinks he's
due for a bad outing or two in the near future unless he stops giving
up quite so many walks). Most of the others have too few innings to
make much in the way of conclusions. I'd be fine with giving Johnson
more opportunities at this point (partly because the Sox don't have
a lot of other options I like better right now, and partly because I
think Epstein's stated reasoning for getting Johnson was sound: namely
that Johnson has pitched better than his ERA would indicate and with
time, the good defensive Boston infield should help him quite a bit).

Anyway, for the heck of it, let's look at how the healthy three and
Clement have pitched over the course of the season...

Schilling:
thru 4/16 4/30 5/14 5/30 6/22 7/10
dERA 3.47 3.06 3.50 3.51 3.59 3.62
ERA 1.64 2.88 3.76 3.93 3.55 3.60
IP 22.0 40.2 52.2 73.1 101.1 127.1

The dERA has obviously been pretty steady since the first month of
the season. The ERA may rise or fall a bit, but it's stayed centered
around Schilling's dERA. (Frankly, I think if everyone's ERA stayed so
close to his dERA as Schilling's does, no one would ever quibble with
dERA's numbers). Anyway, like I say, Schilling has been both good and
consistent. Which is nice.

Wakefield:
4/16 4/30 5/14 5/30 6/22 7/10
dERA 3.43 4.25 4.04 4.21 4.23 4.42
ERA 4.34 3.90 4.03 4.07 3.82 4.05
IP 18.2 32.1 51.1 73.0 99.0 115.2

Wakefield has been fairly consistent as well, though his ERA has
generally been a little bit better than his dERA. I'd expect his dERA
to come down a little bit in the near future and his ERA to go up a
bit to meet it. All in all, a good show by Wakefield, however. (And
his dERA and ERA are not ridiculously out of line with each other, it
should be pointed out, though I think he has been slightly lucky in
regards to giving up runs, given the number of strikeouts, walks, and
home runs he has).

Beckett:
4/16 4/30 5/14 5/30 6/22 7/10
dERA 3.07 5.58 5.15 5.27 5.38 5.55
ERA 1.29 4.50 4.70 4.46 5.09 4.75
IP 21.0 32.0 44.0 68.2 81.1 110.0

Mystery Man #1. dERA has hated him since the third week of the
season (or thereabouts). His ERA (not surprisingly) has climbed to
meet his dERA, but still is a ways away. Given that his dERA woes
are almost entirely due to his longball woes, one can still hold out
hope that there's some sort of fluke going on. (If he stops giving
up home runs, the rest of his numbers are excellent. Change his
HR total to Schilling's 19 -- which is still high -- and Beckett's
dERA drops to 4.79. Drop it to Wakefield's 14 and his dERA goes
down to 4.46, around where Wakefield's dERA is).

Unfortunately, I'm not so optimistic. Others are perfectly
free to make their own predictions, but here's mine: his dERA will
come down from there. His ERA may come down a little bit from there,
but not much. He's not giving up a lot of his on balls put in play
and studies have shown suggested that pitchers have little (if any)
control over that. As a result, most of those home runs he's given
up are solo shots. Beckett could easily cut his home run rate by a
third for the rest of the season and, just by virtue of giving up
singles/walks/whatevers at less opportune times (and more of them),
see his ERA go up.

I'll put it more plainly: he's not pitched particularly well.
I think he'll pitch better. (I hope he pitches a LOT better). But
I am not optimistic at all. I think he's been lucky to have an ERA
as low as his currently is, and I don't think it makes sense to
expect him to continue to be so lucky, even if I do expect his HR-rate
to improve. So I don't think his ERA will get all that much better
than it is now, which is okay, but definitely not what anyone would
have hoped from him before the season.

Clement:
4/16 4/30 5/14 5/30 6/22 7/10
dERA 4.20 4.65 4.76 5.22 5.37 5.37
ERA 9.00 6.14 5.58 6.91 6.61 6.61
IP 11.0 29.1 40.1 54.2 65.1 65.1

Mystery Man #2. Look at how that dERA has climbed. I don't
subscribe to the "gutless" theory of pitching assessment (any pitcher
who gives up a lot of hits on balls in play is called "gutless" at
some point -- see Derek Lowe and Keith Foulke and Matt Clement and
others). I do think Clement hasn't pitched well. He's pitched better
than his ERA would indicate, but his dERA is not good either. I
strongly hope that this is an indication that he's simply been hurting
for most of the year, and that rest and recovery will allow him to
find whatever it was he had in other years. His dERA last year wasn't
this bad. His ERA last year wasn't this bad. And the same for other
years.

Realistically, the Sox could use some help here. Beckett could
pitch better -- that would help. Lester can keep up what he's doing
ERA-wise. And one of Clement/DiNardo/Wells can get healthy and pitch
as well as they did last year (when all three were considerably better
than they have been this year). That would help a ton.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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Robert Paul Aubrey Machemer | "For each time he falls, he shall
Amherst College, Math & Classics | rise again, and woe to the wicked!"
IF1, IF3, IF9: best films, cast | --Don Quixote (Man of La Mancha)
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:27 pm
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Bob-Nob venit, vidit, et dixit:

> Here are the DIPS numbers through the All-Star Break. As always,
> they are not park- or league-adjusted, but they are adjusted for lefties
> and knuckleballers. Small sample sizes, as always, need to be kept in
> mind. For more information on Voros McCracken's Defense-Independent
> Pitching Statistics, do a google search.

Now the relievers. I'm going to list these slightly differently
than the starters, grouping them by dERA.

dERA ERA IP
Papelbon 2.24 0.59 46.0
Delcarmen 2.93 3.52 23.0
Timlin 3.26 2.59 31.1
Hansen 3.26 4.63 11.2

My general rule of thumb (based on nothing but my own observations
of DIPS over the last few years -- i.e., NOT based in any sort of
statistical understanding of sample sizes) is that the numbers are
pretty much meaningless before a pitcher has even thrown 20 innings.
After that, the meaning slowly builds. So I like what Hansen has done
and remain optimstic, but he simply hasn't thrown enough innings yet
to conclude much about him. The other three have pitched well and
their dERAs and ERAs are all good (even if there are some disparities)
so I see no reason to anticipate not continuing to be happy about them
(though, again, it's not like these guys have thrown tons of innings
either).

I do think it's important to point out that it's VERY likely
that Papelbon will continue to give up runs occasionally. No one
should ever be expected to pitch as well as he has to this point in
the season, and no one should be expected to keep it up. I strongly
hope he does, and he's had one helluva season so far -- but some
slippage should be expected. (To put him in perspective, I currently
have Mariano Rivera at a 2.29 dERA, though I need to check that).
Like I say, a helluva season so far.

dERA ERA IP
Seanez 4.11 4.86 33.1
Foulke 4.49 5.63 32.0
Tavarez 5.39 4.56 47.1

I'll be fairly brief on these guys. I think Seanez is better
than Tavarez, whatever Tavarez's last 9 innings may suggest. I
have less of a problem with Seanez's pitching than most, but there
are at least 4 pitchers (see the first group of relievers) whom I'd
rather see in a game before either of them. And if Foulke is healthy,
I'd rather see him in the game too. And Francona fairly clearly
feels the same way, given how he's been using Tavarez and Foulke
lately. (Though it's nice Tavarez has started pitching better of
late, I worry that this will earn him more opportunities to show why
his dERA has remained high throughout the season, unlike Seanez whose
dERA has dropped after a disastrous April).

If the first four relievers are as good as they've looked so far,
this group becomes much less important. If Foulke pitches as well
as he pitched between the first week of the season and his last week
or two before going on the DL, he's another great pitcher to add to
the mix. I'm much less worried about the pen as a lot of people seem
to be (but then again, I tend to worry less than most and I don't get
as down on relievers as most people tend to).

That said...

dERA ERA IP
Van Buren 6.13 8.71 10.1
Lopez 6.24 5.40 6.2
(Riske) 6.36 3.72 9.2
Holtz 8.41 16.20 1.2
Alvarez 11.83 12.00 3.0

...these guys pretty much stunk. I am in no hurry to see any of
them get further opportunities before September. I did not like the
Riske trade (though I did not say so at the time). I don't think much
of Lopez, but he's certainly not pitched enough so far this year for me
to draw any conclusions from what he's done with the Sox. I dunno,
we'll see.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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Amherst College, Math & Classics | rise again, and woe to the wicked!"
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:17 pm
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Bob-Nob venit, vidit, et dixit:

> Here are the DIPS numbers through the All-Star Break. As always,
> they are not park- or league-adjusted, but they are adjusted for lefties
> and knuckleballers. Small sample sizes, as always, need to be kept in
> mind. For more information on Voros McCracken's Defense-Independent
> Pitching Statistics, do a google search.

Now some odds and ends, some Yankees and old friends...

dERA ERA IP
Martinez 3.52 3.45 101.2
Arroyo 3.87 3.12 130.0
Lowe 4.31 3.88 120.2

Incidentally, Arroyo's on pace to throw about 237 innings this
year, which would be 30 more than he threw in 2005 (which was the
most he'd ever thrown in a season). He's pitched very well so far
(though his two starts in July have been wretched). His dERA has
remained fairly consistently around 3.86. I predict his ERA will
continue to rise (though, again, it needs to be pointed out that
a dERA of 3.87 would make him the second-best starter on the Red Sox,
if one thinks he'd have pitched that well in the American League,
which indeed, perhaps he might have done).

dERA ERA IP
Mussina 3.65 3.24 122.1
Wright 3.89 4.23 72.1
Wang 4.18 4.00 126.0
Johnson 4.45 5.13 114.0
Wilson 4.82 5.79 4.2
Chacon 5.84 6.71 53.2

dERA ERA IP
Rasner 2.10 0.00 1.2
Rivera 2.30 1.76 46.0
Farnsworth 3.23 4.31 39.2
Smith 3.69 0.00 12.0
Myers 3.78 1.62 16.2
Villone 3.93 2.27 43.2
Proctor 4.50 4.58 55.0
Sturtze 6.96 7.59 10.2
Bean 7.14 9.00 2.0
Erickson 7.17 7.94 11.1
Small 7.23 8.46 27.2
Beam 7.94 10.13 8.0

No real comments here. Chacon and Small turned back into pumpkins.
Rivera, who started slow, has again been brilliant. Johnson, who also
started slow, has been slowly improving his dERA. Mussina has been good.
Wright has been surprisingly good. Proctor has thrown a ton of innings.
And Joe Torre still as much faith in Colter Bean as the Red Sox had in
Greg Harris's ambidexterity.

Still, most of their core pitchers have pitched fairly well to well,
which is why...

dERA ERA IP
Yankees 4.32 4.30 767.1
RED SOX 4.52 4.54 769.1

...they have a better dERA and ERA than the Sox. Note how closely
the ERAs and dERAs line up. They did not line up quite so nicely last
year for these two teams, which again gives credence to the idea that
quite a bit of what made the two teams' staffs look mediocre last year
were the defenses rather than the pitching staffs themselves.

Oh, incidentally, somewhere along the line, I accidentally have
gotten the Red Sox's IPs wrong by about 2.0 IP. If anyone sees which
pitcher(s) I overcredited, I'll be grateful.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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Amherst College, Math & Classics | rise again, and woe to the wicked!"
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:25 pm
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Veni, vidi, et dixi:

<snip>

> Oh, incidentally, somewhere along the line, I accidentally have
> gotten the Red Sox's IPs wrong by about 2.0 IP. If anyone sees which
> pitcher(s) I overcredited, I'll be grateful.

Never mind, found it. (Hansen and Riske were each off by an
inning). I've corrected my spreadsheet. Riske's dERA was unaffected
by the change (since I calculate dERA using batters-faced, rather than
innings pitched, and I had his batters-faced correct). Hansen's dERA
should read 3.25 instead (I'd gotten his batters-faced wrong). Sorry
about that.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:28 pm
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Bob-Nob venit, vidit, et dixit:
> Bob-Nob venit, vidit, et dixit:

>> Here are the DIPS numbers through the All-Star Break. As always,
>> they are not park- or league-adjusted, but they are adjusted for lefties
>> and knuckleballers. Small sample sizes, as always, need to be kept in
>> mind. For more information on Voros McCracken's Defense-Independent
>> Pitching Statistics, do a google search.

> Now the relievers. I'm going to list these slightly differently
> than the starters, grouping them by dERA.

> dERA ERA IP
> Papelbon 2.24 0.59 46.0
> Delcarmen 2.93 3.52 23.0
> Timlin 3.26 2.59 31.1
> Hansen 3.26 4.63 11.2

Oops, I caught some mistakes. Hansen should instead be...

dERA ERA IP
Hansen 3.25 4.63 10.2

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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