No DH in NL Parks

Will in New Haven <bill.reich.DeleteThis@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in
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> stop treating batting practice as some sort of extremely limited
> resource. Have the Pitchers take batting practice on a regular,
> if not all that frequent, basis

why limit the frequency? weren't most pitchers pretty good batters
too, back in their high school days? so when is it that they get
segregated from the rest of the pack, and told that hitting isn't a
necessary part of their skill sets?


> people get hurt in sports and having them practice for the
> situations they will encounter makes more sense than whining
> about it.

sure...but whining about it is so much easier to do!!!



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So far this year, AL Pitchers are batting .185/.219/.207 while NL
Pitchers are batting .145/.184/.183. Small sample size for the AL,
but its not playing like a big disadvantage so far. NL pitchers can't
hit either.
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On Jun 16, 12:18 pm, DavidFoss <davidrf... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> So far this year, AL Pitchers are batting .185/.219/.207 while NL
> Pitchers are batting .145/.184/.183.  Small sample size for the AL,
> but its not playing like a big disadvantage so far.  NL pitchers can't
> hit either.

The big issue with the announcers is safety. And Wang's injury is just
going to make them whine more and more. Also, Sac bunts seem tougher
for guys who haven't practiced them. Since the NL isn't going to give
up having the Pitchrs hit, the AL teams could help their guys stay
safe and learn to sac bunt. Although, if safety were a big issue they
would eliminate the Catcher's position entirely.


And that IS a very small sample size.

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DavidFoss wrote:
> So far this year, AL Pitchers are batting .185/.219/.207 while NL
> Pitchers are batting .145/.184/.183. Small sample size for the AL,
> but its not playing like a big disadvantage so far. NL pitchers can't
> hit either.

Nor do NL teams invest a great deal of money into what is in effect
pinch-hitters, so if anyone's disadvantaged in the current setup, it's
arguably NL teams (though you can also argue they have more money to
spend on the traditional nine positions).

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In article <956203a9-4670-4bfb-b735-fd44b4ca8223 DeleteThis @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Will in New Haven <bill.reich DeleteThis @taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>In conjunction with that, stop treating batting practice
>as some sort of extremely limited resource. Have the Pitchers take
>batting practice on a regular, if not all that frequent, basis and
>bunting and baserunning practice on an even more frequent schedule.

Realistically, that doesn't happen much in the NL, where most pitchers
have low OBA on par with AL pitchers. The reason? A starting pitcher
who practices batting may raise his OBA from .150 to .350 for 2 or 3
plate appearances (an average of safely reaching base 0.4 to 0.6 times
per game) -- but he may find it worthwhile to practice pitching instead
to reduce the opposing batters' OBA from .350 to .340 for 18 or more
plate appearances, reducing opponents safely reaching base 1.8 or more
times per game). I.e. a small improvement in pitching outweights a
large improvement in batting for a starting pitcher, so it likely makes
more sense for a starting pitcher (or long reliever) to do more pitching
practice than batting practice. Short relievers may not be in the game
long enough to bat anyway, so they have even less incentive to do much
batting practice.

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On Jul 1, 7:26 pm, remov....RemoveThis@sonic.net (Timothy J. Lee) wrote:
> In article <956203a9-4670-4bfb-b735-fd44b4ca8....RemoveThis@m36g2000hse.googlegroups..com>,
> Will in New Haven  <bill.re....RemoveThis@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
> >In conjunction with that, stop treating batting practice
> >as some sort of extremely limited resource. Have the Pitchers take
> >batting practice on a regular, if not all that frequent, basis and
> >bunting and baserunning practice on an even more frequent schedule.
>
> Realistically, that doesn't happen much in the NL, where most pitchers
> have low OBA on par with AL pitchers.  The reason?  A starting pitcher
> who practices batting may raise his OBA from .150 to .350 for 2 or 3
> plate appearances (an average of safely reaching base 0.4 to 0.6 times
> per game) -- but he may find it worthwhile to practice pitching instead
> to reduce the opposing batters' OBA from .350 to .340 for 18 or more
> plate appearances, reducing opponents safely reaching base 1.8 or more
> times per game).  I.e. a small improvement in pitching outweights a
> large improvement in batting for a starting pitcher, so it likely makes
> more sense for a starting pitcher (or long reliever) to do more pitching
> practice than batting practice.  Short relievers may not be in the game
> long enough to bat anyway, so they have even less incentive to do much
> batting practice.
>
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> Timothy J. Lee


You have a point about allocation of practice time. I think your
suggested increase though if they did practice hitting is much too
large. On what basis do you think they could raise their OBA that
much? I doubt there is enough batting talent. I often hear that major
league pitchers were often the best hitters on their high school
teams, but big deal. What % of top hitters on high school teams make
it to the big leagues?

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bobkoca42 RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> You have a point about allocation of practice time. I think your
> suggested increase though if they did practice hitting is much too
> large. On what basis do you think they could raise their OBA that
> much? I doubt there is enough batting talent. I often hear that major
> league pitchers were often the best hitters on their high school
> teams, but big deal. What % of top hitters on high school teams make
> it to the big leagues?

It's not just that. Batting practice is in no way, shape or form the
same as facing live pitching in a MLB game. 3 or 4 ABs (if you're
lucky) every five days is not conducive to being a good hitter, no
matter how much hitting talent you have.

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