Cubs get win # 10,000!

External Since: Apr 18, 2007 Posts: 80

On Apr 27, 9:20 pm, "Gary S. Simon"
<garsc....RemoveThis@thisisatypo.pipeline.com> wrote:
> In article
> <2d3e6189-59d3-43ca-9774-2f74fdc2e....RemoveThis@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> Jeffrey Alsip <jeffreyal....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 7:47 pm, "Gary S. Simon"
> > <garsc....RemoveThis@thisisatypo.pipeline.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <e77a27d2-4bb8-471d-b242-b69861ee8....RemoveThis@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Jeffrey Alsip <jeffreyal....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 27, 7:22 pm, "Gary S. Simon"
> > > > <garsc....RemoveThis@thisisatypo.pipeline.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <14489cc2-e423-46d9-ab39-631b05005....RemoveThis@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > Jeffrey Alsip <jeffreyal....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > In addition, I have uncovered new information. Prior to 1903 (first
> > > > > > World Series) the NL and AL leaders would get together to play,
> > > > > > basically, an exhibition game.
> > > > > If so, that's not much of a history.
> > > > > The AL wasn't formed until 1901.
> > > > You got me again. You have caught me in another minor spelling error.
> > > > Rather than saying AL, I meant to say AA.
> > > Did you also mean to say "a series" of exhibition games" (as opposed
> > > to "an exhibition game")?
>
> > > Did you also mean to say that "the NL won four of those seven series,
> > > losing one amd tying two others" (as opposed to "the NL won everyone of
> > > these games")?
>
> > > If so, those were some pretty serious spelling errors.
> > Was it a series, rather than a single game? I didn't know that.
>
> You also didn't know that the NL didn't win every series (losing one
> and tying two).
>
> > My sources do show that, of the four NL wins (that you claim) the Cubs
> > won 3 of them.
>
> No, I don't believe that's the case at all.
>
> In any event, my source (the baseball-reference.com web site) shows
> something quite different.
>
> The Chicago National League ballclub (then known as the "White
> Stockings") represented the National League in only two of the seven
> post-season series against the American Association. The Cubs
> registered one of the NL's two series ties (in 1885) and the NL's only
> series loss (in 1886). [As a Cub fan, I find that both sad and not at
> all surprising.]
>
> ______________________________________________________________________...http://
>
> Post-season games prior to 1903 were considered exhibitions.
> 1892 Championship Series (5-0-1): Boston Beaneaters (102-48, NL) vs.
> Cleveland Spiders (93-56, NL)
>
> 1890 World Series (3-3-1): Brooklyn Bridegrooms (86-43, NL) vs.
> Louisville Colonels (88-44, AA)
>
> 1889 World Series (6-3): New York Giants (83-43, NL) vs. Brooklyn
> Bridegrooms (93-44, AA)
>
> 1888 World Series (6-4): New York Giants (84-47, NL) vs. St. Louis
> Browns (92-43, AA)
>
> 1887 World Series (10-5): Detroit Wolverines (79-45, NL) vs. St. Louis
> Browns (95-40, AA)
>
> 1886 World Series (4-2): St. Louis Browns (93-46, AA) vs. Chicago
> White Stockings (90-34, NL)
>
> 1885 World Series (3-3-1): Chicago White Stockings (87-25, NL) vs. St.
> Louis Browns (79-33, AA)
>
> 1884 World Series (3-0): Providence Grays (84-28, NL) vs. New York
> Metropolitans (75-32, AA)
> _________________________________________________________________________
>
> > Those were the years 1880, 1881 and 1882.
>
> The baseball-reference.com web site indicates that there were no
> post-season series in those seasons. (In fact, there was no American
> Assocviation at all in 1880.)
>
> > I, also claim Championships for the years 1876, 1885 and 1886.
>
> Those last two are bold claims, considering the series tie in 1885
> and loss in 1886.
>
> > That is 6 World Championships (that you would much rather ignore).
>
> As a Cub fan (having chosen to double my pain in 1977, by rooting for
> the Cubs as well as the White Sox), I have no reason to ignore the
> franchise's six 19th century NL pennants, or the fact that, in four of
> those seasons (two with no other professional league of comparable
> stature, in 1876 and 1880) and two others (with no post-season series
> against the other big-time professional league, in 1881 and 1882), those
> pennants were widely regarded as carrying with them the title "World
> Champion".
>
> I'm also well aware of the Cubs' ten appearances in the "modern"
> World Series. The franchise has have been the National League's
> champion a grand total of 16 times (whereas the White Sox have been the
> AL's champions only 5 times).

Ah, but the Sox have 3 World Series Championship titles to the Cubbies
2. And if you go with the troll's method then the Sox were the World
Champions in 1901.

>
> > Add in the World
> > Series victories of 1907 and 1908 (back-to-back Series wins, by the
> > way) and you get a total of 8 World Championships.
>
> > Care to dispute that?
>
> Yes.
>
> I get six, only two of which involved defeating a team from another
> league in the post-season, and none of which occurred since my maternal
> grandfather of Blessed Memory (who loved the Cubs) came to America in
> the 1910's, or my father (a lifelong Cub fan) was born in 1929 (when the
> Cubs' World Series game four meltdown presaged both the Great Depression
> and the 2003 NLCS).

"Chicago Cubs (1903 - 2008) - 2 World Championships, 10 Pennants, and
15 Playoff Appearances" - BaseballReference.com

The original World Series

"Until the formation of the American Association in 1882 as a second
major league, the National Association and then the National League
represented the top level of organized baseball in the United States.
All championships went to whoever had the best record at the end of
the season, without a postseason series being played. In 1882, the
champions of the American Association and National League played a
series of exhibition games at the end of the season, but the winner of
the series was not recognized as the champion of both leagues.
Starting in 1884 and going through 1890, the National League and the
American Association played an official series of games at the end of
the season to determine an overall champion."

And here's the interesting part:

"Although these series were promoted and referred to as the "The
Championship of the United States", "World's Championship Series", or
"World's Series" for short, they are not officially recognized as part
of World Series history by Major League Baseball. Major League
Baseball, in general, regards 19th century events as a prologue to the
Modern Era of baseball, which is defined by the two current major
leagues.'

So, Major League Baseball says those 1st place finishes of the Cubbies
in the 1800's are NOT World Championships. And par for the course,
the Cubbie troll wants to inflate the accomplishments of the Cubbies.
Why? Because their history of their team is sorry and pathetic.

The Cubbies have 2 World Series Championships, deal with it.

External Since: Nov 11, 2003 Posts: 361

In article
<14489cc2-e423-46d9-ab39-631b05005aed DeleteThis @j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Jeffrey Alsip <jeffreyalsip DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> In addition, I have uncovered new information. Prior to 1903 (first
> World Series) the NL and AL leaders would get together to play,
> basically, an exhibition game.

If so, that's not much of a history.

The AL wasn't formed until 1901.