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gig

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 5:30 pm
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Cubs lose again. A Pirate win would put them only 7 games back. I know all the
nay-sayers have a myriad of reasons why this team shouldn't, can't and won't
compete, but if they can get it under 5 games by the All-Star break I'd be
happy as a pig in mud (with those two girls from the beer commercial next to
me).

Rockies are beatable.

Go Bucs!

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Paul

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 11:25 pm
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gig wrote:
> Cubs lose again. A Pirate win would put them only 7 games back. I know all the
> nay-sayers have a myriad of reasons why this team shouldn't, can't and won't
> compete, but if they can get it under 5 games by the All-Star break I'd be
> happy as a pig in mud (with those two girls from the beer commercial next to
> me).
>
> Rockies are beatable.
>
> Go Bucs!

It has nothing to do with being a naysayer, it's simply a mathematical
problem the Pirates face being not just seven games back, but back of
four teams as well...

Look at the standings now... three teams are now tied for first in the
the division, in order to pick up ground the Pirates have to win AND
four teams have lose at the same time otherwise it's the same teams just
shuffling positions in front of the Pirates.

How likely is that the teams will all lose at the same time the Pirates
are winning? Well very low probability to begin with, but nearly
impossible since the teams play each other in the weeks leading up to
the All Star...

Cincinnati plays Houston and Pittsburgh, the Cubs play Saint Louis and
Houston plays Pittsburgh 6 times and Cincinnati 4 - there simply is no
possibility for all the teams to lose.

Pirates are out of it, have been for a month there's just no getting
around the numbers now.

--
Paul Galvanek - Ver. 4.0

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Greg Schuler

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:03 am
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"gig" <gig.DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote in message news:<ssOdnbzknMDnKmGjXTWJhA.DeleteThis@comcast.com>...
> Cubs lose again. A Pirate win would put them only 7 games back. I know all the
> nay-sayers have a myriad of reasons why this team shouldn't, can't and won't
> compete, but if they can get it under 5 games by the All-Star break I'd be
> happy as a pig in mud (with those two girls from the beer commercial next to
> me).
>
> Rockies are beatable.
>
> Go Bucs!

Sure the Rockies are beatable - you take the worse road team in the NL
and pit them against the worst home team in the NL and something has
to give.

If the Pirates are 5 games out by the All-Star break, then what? Does
that save Lloyd's job, does that mean they trade prospects for big
league help, does that mean you don't trade your free agents before
they walk?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:50 pm
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"Greg Schuler" <schuleg.DeleteThis@juno.com> wrote in message
news:228e8aae.0306300703.5a06e83d@posting.google.com...
> "gig" <gig.DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:<ssOdnbzknMDnKmGjXTWJhA.DeleteThis@comcast.com>...
> > Cubs lose again. A Pirate win would put them only 7 games back. I know all
the
> > nay-sayers have a myriad of reasons why this team shouldn't, can't and
won't
> > compete, but if they can get it under 5 games by the All-Star break I'd be
> > happy as a pig in mud (with those two girls from the beer commercial next
to
> > me).
> >
> > Rockies are beatable.
> >
> > Go Bucs!
>
> Sure the Rockies are beatable - you take the worse road team in the NL
> and pit them against the worst home team in the NL and something has
> to give.
>
> If the Pirates are 5 games out by the All-Star break, then what? Does
> that save Lloyd's job, does that mean they trade prospects for big
> league help, does that mean you don't trade your free agents before
> they walk?

All it means is that I stay interested in the team more than I would if they
were 10 games out. I understand the long-term considerations, but there's not
a lot I can do to significantly effect them. I do not enjoy "playing GM" as
many stat heads here do. I enjoy rooting for the guys on the field. Sometimes
that's hard. Being a player myself still though, my perspective is more from
their point of view than any other. I put my faith in the people in the front
office who are running the team to do what's best (insert
you're-an-idiot-comment here) for the franchise. I just like to enjoy the
season as it unfolds as much as possible. Obviously, winning helps.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:55 pm
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"gig" <gig.TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote in message news:<k8Wdnbko3NfP5Z2iXTWJhg.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>...
> "Greg Schuler" <schuleg.TakeThisOut@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:228e8aae.0306300703.5a06e83d@posting.google.com...
> > "gig" <gig.TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:<ssOdnbzknMDnKmGjXTWJhA.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>...
> > > Cubs lose again. A Pirate win would put them only 7 games back. I know all
> the
> > > nay-sayers have a myriad of reasons why this team shouldn't, can't and
> won't
> > > compete, but if they can get it under 5 games by the All-Star break I'd be
> > > happy as a pig in mud (with those two girls from the beer commercial next
> to
> > > me).
> > >
> > > Rockies are beatable.
> > >
> > > Go Bucs!
> >
> > Sure the Rockies are beatable - you take the worse road team in the NL
> > and pit them against the worst home team in the NL and something has
> > to give.
> >
> > If the Pirates are 5 games out by the All-Star break, then what? Does
> > that save Lloyd's job, does that mean they trade prospects for big
> > league help, does that mean you don't trade your free agents before
> > they walk?
>
> All it means is that I stay interested in the team more than I would if they
> were 10 games out. I understand the long-term considerations, but there's not
> a lot I can do to significantly effect them. I do not enjoy "playing GM" as
> many stat heads here do. I enjoy rooting for the guys on the field. Sometimes
> that's hard. Being a player myself still though, my perspective is more from
> their point of view than any other. I put my faith in the people in the front
> office who are running the team to do what's best (insert
> you're-an-idiot-comment here) for the franchise. I just like to enjoy the
> season as it unfolds as much as possible. Obviously, winning helps.

It sure does. However, blind faith is a troublesome thing - I bet you
were hopeful that old Cam Bonifay would turn things around in the new
park, eh? The actions of the front office directly impact your
enjoyment of the team, so I for one would be most interested in how
they built and maintained the team.

The fantasy of contending with this team is tantalizing for sure, I
mean they have recognizable MLB names at most every position now. But
odds are they can't win with this team, or get to .500. And why -
because the front office/ownership can't/won't build a good team, or
even pretend that you the fan matter enough to be competitive.
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