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Asianflow

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Since: Jul 05, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:34 am
Post subject: Cory Freaking Lidle............
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What happened I thought he was a second half pitcher. His ERA is awful. What
a bad year to stink it up considering it's his contract year. I wouldn't pay
Lidle even one million to stay.

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GS

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:42 am
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In article <Bku7b.932718$3C2.21231233@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>, rmchan.RemoveThis@shaw.ca
says...
>
>What happened I thought he was a second half pitcher. His ERA is awful. What
>a bad year to stink it up considering it's his contract year. I wouldn't pay
>Lidle even one million to stay.
>

Yeah I was just thinking that with an ERA like that, his "money year" went
down the toilet. He'll have to sign for much MUCH less than he's paid right
now... and I'm not sure Jays should even offer him a contract, with that
goatee, he looks like the goddamn Joey Hamilton <shrug>

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Chuck Van Den Corput

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:18 am
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:34:41 GMT, "Asianflow" <rmchan.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote:

>What happened I thought he was a second half pitcher. His ERA is awful. What
>a bad year to stink it up considering it's his contract year. I wouldn't pay
>Lidle even one million to stay.

The following I wrote was in response to his status as a "second half
pitcher" earlier this summer. The original posted listed his stats
from the three previous seasons.

>Pre All-star:
>
>5-15, 5.17 ERA, 230 IP, 273 H, 36 HR, 58 BB, 158 K
>
>Post All-star:
>
>20-7, 2.92 ERA, 246 IP, 202 H, 17 HR, 57 BB, 133 K

Two factors seem to be responsible for the 1st/2nd half splits:

* improved skill: a huge drop in HR rate, a slight drop in BB rate

* improved luck: using estimates, his BIP batting average dropped from
..355 to .256.

I can't help but think that the second of these two factors played the
much bigger role. In fact, the first (the drop in HR) may be tied
directly to the second (the drop in H).

While I do concede that his second half performance is partly
attributable to truly improved pitching (as opposed to just dumb
luck), his reduced K rates in the 2nd half (from 6.2 to 4.9) must at
least temper that.

Chuck
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Mike

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:54 am
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"Chuck Van Den Corput" <NOSPAMcvandencorput.RemoveThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:912ulvo8a96qrbcjoo5nk20p2a2m4sjmuu@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:34:41 GMT, "Asianflow" <rmchan.RemoveThis@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >What happened I thought he was a second half pitcher. His ERA is awful.
What
> >a bad year to stink it up considering it's his contract year. I wouldn't
pay
> >Lidle even one million to stay.
>
> The following I wrote was in response to his status as a "second half
> pitcher" earlier this summer. The original posted listed his stats
> from the three previous seasons.
>
> >Pre All-star:
> >
> >5-15, 5.17 ERA, 230 IP, 273 H, 36 HR, 58 BB, 158 K
> >
> >Post All-star:
> >
> >20-7, 2.92 ERA, 246 IP, 202 H, 17 HR, 57 BB, 133 K
>
> Two factors seem to be responsible for the 1st/2nd half splits:
>
> * improved skill: a huge drop in HR rate, a slight drop in BB rate
>
> * improved luck: using estimates, his BIP batting average dropped from
> .355 to .256.
>
> I can't help but think that the second of these two factors played the
> much bigger role. In fact, the first (the drop in HR) may be tied
> directly to the second (the drop in H).
>
> While I do concede that his second half performance is partly
> attributable to truly improved pitching (as opposed to just dumb
> luck), his reduced K rates in the 2nd half (from 6.2 to 4.9) must at
> least temper that.
>
> Chuck
>

With the A's again doing the 2nd half surge thing, it almost seems they
carried him for those 2nd half years
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